An Ode to Rhuac and Sharpeye...

[Danzaz]

No i didnt eat this bowl of yours, and from what ure posting about bow damage i think the crap you talking might have filled it in the first place!!

"""""IMO""""" it does need some loving....

Do you play a bow class char?
And if so how much do u hit for with regular/rapid/crit?

The few times (nowadays) that i play my ranger i do fine vs non stealthers and stealthers if i can get a few off before they reach me (shield speccs not included). Same with ppl hitting my SB. Do a series of dmg tests on a SB/INF/NS and calculate the dmg over time on it, im guessing u will be about the same as most melee classes, i was on mine atleast. Also keep in mind that if u wanna go full bow etc u need to calculate ur dmg using +10% bow dmg +10% bow spd to be able to compare to for instance to an all capped assasin.

 

[Elrandhir]

explaination on your playstyle is needed my friend...

Do you do well solo on foot by adding on every fight you see?

Do you only target low RR players?

Or do you do well because you have super l33t bow damage, high MoS, Ml10 toys, CL5, UZI, bazooka , heatseeking arrows etc???

not saying you do all of these but id like to know what u consider "doing well" is and how you achieve this..

I do add now and again yes I have never denied doing so, but I kill off mages solo rather easy tbh, so most of my RP's comes from doing so, and nope I don't have ML10 I havent got FZ, nor PS or anything like that, I just use good tactics and shoose when to strike wisely, it is hard, but I would never camp a tower, and I don't need to either.

I agree that the Bow line could use some Improvements, but it's still playable if you'r able to use some good tactics in you'r playstyle.

 

[Elrandhir]

Do you play a bow class char?
And if so how much do u hit for with regular/rapid/crit?

The few times (nowadays) that i play my ranger i do fine vs non stealthers and stealthers if i can get a few off before they reach me (shield speccs not included). Same with ppl hitting my SB. Do a series of dmg tests on a SB/INF/NS and calculate the dmg over time on it, im guessing u will be about the same as most melee classes, i was on mine atleast. Also keep in mind that if u wanna go full bow etc u need to calculate ur dmg using +10% bow dmg +10% bow spd to be able to compare to for instance to an all capped assasin.

If you'r full Bowspec the Bowline aint good tbh, you loose out on much to spec full bow really, this is why it need improvement.

The improvement need to be aplied when you go 45-50 bow and lack any means of killing anyone in melee, more or less.

 

[Danzaz]

Been active again since the patch and your actually only one I seen everytime there is a bigger group of solo stealthers running in stick range. Few days ago first I saw was you running close 2 times with Aldoran for example and then yesterday I got attacked by you and 3 other stealthers in the first 15 minutes of playing. You actually never attacked me like many other have without atleast one add close to help you. Im sorry if you solo all the time and I have got totally wrong impression about you but if thats so you better leave the cookies in your pocket home since there isnt too many stealthers around I havent seen you running with and the bastards ofc want your cookies if you die and following you all the time. They seem to like the rp's more though. Another option would be your playing 24/7 and with your calculations you solo 5020 minutes in a week you duo 4939.2 minutes in a week and zerg about 100 minutes in a week. With my play time of about 1-2 hours every second day I must have been really lucky and better go lotto straight away.

But again seriously I play late night mostly and thats usually before people are logging and fed up with enemies zerging so they formed nice groups and I see those and judge people by that. I once in my life grouped when my brother who wanted to test his 49 scout and we went as a duo to get zerged and havent seen my brother ingame since so ill be soloing for a long time now most likely so youll get your chances to solo (or zerg) me plenty of times. Like said your the only one person I can straight say your the reason why all middies especially gobbie ones get arrows everytime I see em no matter where and how big zerg is going to run over em after that.

I play up to 6 hours a night atm as im wanting my rr9 ding. How can i be my problem if ppl add on my fights or are close to me when stealthed? its not like i want them to add when i finally find a 1vs1 i can enjoy (Like the one i had with Lightning bot a week ago cheers for that one m8). Its not like i have a macro saying /y GET OFF THIS ONES MINE FFS!!!! i hardly get any 1 vs 1 fights and when i do im rdy to get moved down by the 3-4 ppl watching the fight, same as u should be after killing someone, i still dont know ur char name so cant really xplain any of the situations u have met me in but i solo more then i duo thats for sure.

If u have been active since patch (assuming u mean 1.82) i think u should really try and play the game and try to evaluate before posting complete and utter noncence (spelling?) about ppl again.

 

[Elrandhir]

one m8). Its not like i have a macro saying /y GET OFF THIS ONES MINE FFS!!!!

If someone said something like this to me I would not stop hitting the target thats for sure, because noone can claim someone as their kill.

If they ask sure, but as I have said in some earlier post, if saying like this I would laugh at them.

 

[Castus]

Do you play a bow class char?
And if so how much do u hit for with regular/rapid/crit?

The few times (nowadays) that i play my ranger i do fine vs non stealthers and stealthers if i can get a few off before they reach me (shield speccs not included). Same with ppl hitting my SB. Do a series of dmg tests on a SB/INF/NS and calculate the dmg over time on it, im guessing u will be about the same as most melee classes, i was on mine atleast. Also keep in mind that if u wanna go full bow etc u need to calculate ur dmg using +10% bow dmg +10% bow spd to be able to compare to for instance to an all capped assasin.

He does`nt play a bow class but he has expert knowledge of high RR rangers seeing as he`s a ranger pet lol and to llusb: if you don`t wnat shooting froma tower then get off the fooking bridge.

 

[Vipr]

I do add now and again yes I have never denied doing so, but I kill off mages solo rather easy tbh, so most of my RP's comes from doing so, and nope I don't have ML10 I havent got FZ, nor PS or anything like that, I just use good tactics and shoose when to strike wisely, it is hard, but I would never camp a tower, and I don't need to either.

I agree that the Bow line could use some Improvements, but it's still playable if you'r able to use some good tactics in you'r playstyle.

Clarification on how you fare against assasins solo and on foot with bow spec was more what i was after tbh, i got a feeling that life isnt as rosey as your making out. Still good to see you have faith in your old arrow slinger, i personally going full melee spec on mine to get a full comparison.

 

[Elrandhir]

Clarification on how you fare against assasins solo and on foot with bow spec was more what i was after tbh, i got a feeling that life isnt as rosey as your making out. Still good to see you have faith in your old arrow slinger, i personally going full melee spec on mine to get a full comparison.

heh, well it's rather obvious tbh, why even ask, you just keep away from those being melee specced and go for casters mostly.

I went from RR2-RR5 in 2 weeks pre patch being Bowspeced, I wouldent say that being all to bad tbh.

It is hard and not for all, but a Bowspecced ranger is still playable with some good tactics.

 

[Danzaz]

If you'r full Bowspec the Bowline aint good tbh, you loose out on much to spec full bow really, this is why it need improvement.

The improvement need to be aplied when you go 45-50 bow and lack any means of killing anyone in melee, more or less.

Well why the hell go full bowspec if it sucks? 45 is more then enough in bow (same as my ranger) and will give u the advantage u need in melee so why go higher? Its like buying the expensive rusty old car with a busted windshield and 3 out of 4 flats just cuz it has a really funny sound when u use the horn.

Ur a ranger (or atleast ur sig says that) so why not use the things that makes u unbeatable? Habemus, Calew, Spinesprout (yes i know they are full melee atm but improvise and test new speccs) and a few others are instadeaths to me if they have their crap up.
As a scout i would no doubt go for the amethyst slash (29 slash) and get malice in the picture, briton mins does good dmg (yes i know they have DDs and ablative but they hit hard with malice aswell) with it and i cant see why scouts could do worse having the shield specc to top it off.

And yes i know how low rr rangers work, i got mine from 0-50, fully toad and to rr5 in 13 days played (was very active at that time).

 

[Elrandhir]

Well why the hell go full bowspec if it sucks?

I already have a Meleer, My main a Hero, I don't need a second one, I want to play with the ranger Being Bowspecced, and Im able to do so even though it's abit hard and abit waste of going more or less full Bow.

I havent complained, Im just stateing facts.

 

[Danzaz]

I already have a Meleer, My main a Hero, I don't need a second one, I want to play with the ranger Being Bowspecced, and Im able to do so even though it's abit hard and abit waste of going more or less full Bow.

I havent complained, Im just stateing facts.

Well 45 bow is still pretty bowspecced to me, and u get the bling u need in melee. Have u tried it?

 

[Elrandhir]

Well 45 bow is still pretty bowspecced to me, and u get the bling u need in melee. Have u tried it?

I have tried lots of specs I was 40 in bow once, then 45 and then 50, I never use melee on him neways so I could aswell go full bow, no use speccing in melee if you don't use it is it?

If I would do melee I would go for a totally different spec, this is my choice, how I like it, still the choice may change over time, who knows.

It is better being melee specced with some bow tbh, but I want to be specced like this.

 

[Vipr]

He does`nt play a bow class but he has expert knowledge of high RR rangers seeing as he`s a ranger pet lol and to llusb: if you don`t wnat shooting froma tower then get off the fooking bridge.

I got a good book recommendation for you Shrewscock now that hiding on Albion .. its called

"How to make friends and Influence people"

 

[illu]

He does`nt play a bow class but he has expert knowledge of high RR rangers seeing as he`s a ranger pet lol and to llusb: if you don`t wnat shooting froma tower then get off the fooking bridge.

I wasn't on a bridge :> Every fight I had anywhere near Beno Tower (the one up the hill from Beno drop off), I was getting shot at by a scout who spent 5 hours at the top of the tower who I couldn't attack :/

I think SB's need a Climb Tower Ability, RUT of 15 mins so that we can climb into towers and fight Scouts/Casters that are untouchable.

Oli - Illu

 

[Castus]

I wasn't on a bridge :> Every fight I had anywhere near Beno Tower (the one up the hill from Beno drop off), I was getting shot at by a scout who spent 5 hours at the top of the tower who I couldn't attack :/

I think SB's need a Climb Tower Ability, RUT of 15 mins so that we can climb into towers and fight Scouts/Casters that are untouchable.

Oli - Illu

What tower is that then where scouts range reaches to beno dropoff? Oo

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Ofcourse scouts who spec pure bow and have ROG's to get max dex-cap, then complain how scouts suck in melee are just plain silly

sounds like the scout who tried to melee mee with his 15 thrust spec, whining at doing low dmg and wanting a scout melee boost xD

 

[Alyssania]

sounds like the scout who tried to melee mee with his 15 thrust spec, whining at doing low dmg and wanting a scout melee boost xD

Its probably more about scouts not doing well what they supposed to do without high bow and slam being pretty much only option when speccing for shield. Yeah people say 35 LB is fine enough but I found it worst ever. Hitting someone for 100 damage 2 times dont really work with still crappy melee skills even with 39 thrust/slash. Most scouts go thrust since it wasnt so debuffable earlyer and also scouts generally have about 400 dex and 300 str in with thrust stats is about 50 points more than slash making it easyer to land melee attacks. Personally at the moment im changing to slash and making new template for it to try. Thrust styles worst ever and since we dont have any other styles we could use really unlike rangers most get higher LB and lower thrust. All I seen hunters get some nice styles too and they atleast hit me hard as hell with 2h and spear. If it would be up to me I would change something that scouts would and could be better in melee and thrust styles should really be checked few times.

And at the end before I stop I would like to apologise to Zaberhut since was stupid of me to judge others playstyles but was so happy getting my first whine at 4am last night I couldnt resist it again. Should know after 4 years of playing to not get into it in FH and keep my opinnions in my head.

All have a good holidays if you guys have those and im off to work.

 

[Kagato]

Heheh excellant song

 

[Aran Thule]

Bow does need help at the moment, or at least more utility, it has so many problems and has lowest dps after sword/shield.
Aran is a RR7 bow spec(45bow,36PF,33Stealth,34pierce,rest CD) at moment, trying out a new template so not sure how that will turn out but i can talk from previous experiance.
Using pierce 34+17 my melee damage was pitiful even with full enhancements, i would do 75 or so damage with a normal hit while my opponents were hitting me in the several hundreds.
i tried i more melee spec but didnt like it, im a sniper at heart and like the stalking/positioning and attempt to kill the foe and escape.
If someone gets the jump on me i am most likely dead, even if i get jump on them if they are awake and can get to melee its going to be close.
Everyone can play thier own way but i dont see the challenge in camping a tower and shooting passers by, if you have put your faith in the bow then learn how to use it, use cover, know your enemy and use what you know to your advantage.
One time i will always remember was two shoting an active Tattersail(RR10 cleric i think) from the middle of his group (they were standing outside eras tower at the time) and escaping, its for the memories and good moments we play games and the challenge, take that away and what are you left with?

 

[Chimaira]

lol, I think Illu had his sb well well before they were fotm, great arguement

I dont think so. SBs where even more fotm in teh old days

 

[Chimaira]

I wasn't on a bridge :> Every fight I had anywhere near Beno Tower (the one up the hill from Beno drop off), I was getting shot at by a scout who spent 5 hours at the top of the tower who I couldn't attack :/

I think SB's need a Climb Tower Ability, RUT of 15 mins so that we can climb into towers and fight Scouts/Casters that are untouchable.

Oli - Illu

You want way to much for stealthers man. like everything.

 

[Dafft]

You're all full of shite. :kissit:

I mean as a scout, I have played mine since SI was released, I pretty much know what I can and cant do regarding melee/bow wise.

Bow is powerful. Melee is powerful. Zergs are even better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

I just blame game mechanics and the Random Generator <- that to me is the ball breaker.

 

[Coldbeard]

Creative whine

Personally I like Lxn and his gay mincerfriend. Roxstars of DAoC.