Amorating Melodies on Mincers. [the end of stealt wars]

[censi]

Title kinda says it all.

It will be a slaughter, poor hibies and middies.

quite literally we are gonna get pwned!

(I hope this is a mistake, cuz its well dodgey giving insta group heal ability like this to a stealther class. Its not just a fluff heal either its really good even at lvl1)

 

[Bishibosh]

I personally have been worried about the fact that 10 seconds into every solo fight with a mid I ever have from the changes onwards, 10+ sbs will port over and PA me from all around... they wont even have to walk over anymore, and for once they can't fail pa so I cant even rely on that, just wait for them to come in. You'll have that to look forward to as well, censi

 

[Healer McHeal]

and also the inf one where they have to sit by a wall or something, so the MG's will be camped to hell, that wont be very nice either, PA damage +50%, on any one they choose within 150 or smth

 

[Tzeentch]

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Amorating Melodies on Mincers. [the end of stealt wars]


damn FH for not making a stealther forum. *shake fist*

 

[Moo]

Title kinda says it all.

It will be a slaughter, poor hibies and middies.

quite literally we are gonna get pwned!

(I hope this is a mistake, cuz its well dodgey giving insta group heal ability like this to a stealther class. Its not just a fluff heal either its really good even at lvl1)

makes up for giving everyone and his dog sos and making it shit speed 4 at the same time i guess

 

[censi]

goes beyond making up for it.

Basically:

Alb stealther grp with mincer will destroy any other stealther group.

Its bad news this one.

Giving a stealther class grp heal like this is revolutionary.

Theres lots of whines knocking around about this whole RA shake up. Certainly mythic have big balls.

This particular change though is in my opinion a real bad one.

 

[Ilienwyn]

I got no problem if you remove stealth line from minstrel and give some other group friendly line :touch:

 

[Bishibosh]

I got no problem if you remove stealth line from minstrel and give some other group friendly line :touch:

Parry/xbow?

 

[Moo]

Parry/xbow?

id swap stealth for shield spec tbh (ofc we'd need 2x spec with it )

all the other abilites are sux for alb ;/

 

[liloe]

this whole RA idea is the most crap thing I've ever heared tbh...how can they yell balance if their ideas all suck, except BoL (Divine Interblablasomething) getting love. That's the real spirit of Mythic, don't fix it, make smth enw so ppl have to find the bugs first, when they complain, make smth new again.

 

[swords]

I got no problem if you remove stealth line from minstrel and give some other group friendly line :touch:

Instruments not being one of the most group frienddly lines in Albion then

 

[Spamb0t]

FreddysHouse > Role Playing Games > Dark Age of Camelot > Excalibur > RvR Discussions > Stealther / Buffbot Discussions
Amorating Melodies on Mincers. [the end of stealt wars]


damn FH for not making a stealther forum. *shake fist*

thought u were funny huh!!
or were u serious? Hahh! then u were funny!!!

 

[rvn]

well minstrels lost AP same patch, and ip nerfed too but yeah, sos at speed4, and am will be very tough to counter byt try how hard a high rr skald will be 1on1 that patch too with the HUGE love they get

 

[Renwind]

yay like the minstrel isnt overpowered in stealther wars already...

mythic

 

[censi]

forget about skalds.

What about 30% of the population who have a stealther. This ones gonna really fook the game game up for stealthers.

dunno, I expect a few things to happen from this. but I think a lot of players might just jack it in.

 

[rvn]

forget about skalds.

What about 30% of the population who have a stealther. This ones gonna really fook the game game up for stealthers.

dunno, I expect a few things to happen from this. but I think a lot of players might just jack it in.

#1, albs are allready overpowred in stealth grp war.
#2 Stealthers should have it hard, there shouldnt be 30% of the players running around stealthzerging (the old days where just a few stealthers were around were so nice)

imo nerf the shit out of stealthers, or in any way, make them alot more demaning to play


and with those changes i doubt rangers will be very shitty with passive AP, and passive TS

(oh and imo stealthers should _solo_, if you did this minstrels wouldnt be overpowered 1on1 with am, since they have close to no dmg output 1on1)

main differance is that a alb stealth grp can whipe finns/ranger grps and malmövakten sb/hunter grps easier - hopefully most stealthers will quit and ppl who want to solo can start doing that again.

 

[Salamurhaaja]

imo nerf the shit out of stealthers, or in any way, make them alot more demaning to play

(oh and imo stealthers should _solo_, if you did this minstrels wouldnt be overpowered 1on1 with am, since they have close to no dmg output 1on1)

hopefully most stealthers will quit and ppl who want to solo can start doing that again.

Amen !

 

[Krane]

Amen !

Noone was referring to ex-fotm shadowzerkers who insta stopped playing after LA got balanced...

He was referring to the old creep, mallus and the other "real" stealthers who actuallly cud play insted of spamming DF button.

kk.

 

[Salamurhaaja]

Noone was referring to ex-fotm shadowzerkers who insta stopped playing after LA got balanced...

He was referring to the old creep, mallus and the other "real" stealthers who actuallly cud play insted of spamming DF button.

kk.

kx3

 

[Moo]

yay like the minstrel isnt overpowered in stealther wars already...

mythic

i love it when total retards say minstrels are overpowered

ahahaeheaheheha

 

[Renwind]

i love it when total retards say minstrels are overpowered

ahahaeheaheheha

ur a retard if u dont think minstrels are overpowered in STEALTH wars

 

[Big Ugly]

i love it when total retards say minstrels are overpowered

ahahaeheaheheha

yeah i love it too when people say healers are overpowered

 

[rvn]

if you take 1 stealther from each realm fighting eachother, and hibb/midd get 1 extra assasin instead of minstrel groups would be:

minstrel
scout
infil

hunter
shadowblade
shadowblade

ranger
nightshade
nightshade

Now the alb group would if they played propperly, win allmost every fight they would face, with mezz, ablative song that recuces a bit of damage atleast (lets say fight is 1min long, abla pulses every 6sec, and not twisting it the ablative would surpress 700 dmg, if it would be twisted propperly it would surpress about 1100 dmg). Addition with speed to let the group move around faster on the battlefield etc.

Scout would be opening with huge crit shots etc, and also available to guard other members in his group. (these suffer from not being able to dual wield tho so cant cut evade in half on their opponent, but in grps they do well, since they usually dont have to be tanking )

Midds have least util of the stealthers. (also note that hunters do not get dual wield nor shield, nor smallshield at all, so they dont get the benefit to "cut the targets evade in half", like rangers do.)

While hibbs have medium util for now, with AP on ns:es, rangers being very strong in both melee and at archery at higher realm rank with ip,ap.

so yes in stealth groups the minstrel is overpowered, in solo however, minstrels havnt got that much damage output, they can put down sbs quite "ok", and people they get a jump on, (this isnt usually the case vs assains), but hunter who are smart and use thrust spear are tough, rangers/ns:es are very tough aswell.

 

[Gordonax]

Please Mr Mythic, take stealth away from minstrels so I no longer have to hear whining shit about how minsers are "overpowered in the stealth wars" - something that I never take part in.

 

[Driwen]

#1, albs are allready overpowred in stealth grp war.
#2 Stealthers should have it hard, there shouldnt be 30% of the players running around stealthzerging (the old days where just a few stealthers were around were so nice)

imo nerf the shit out of stealthers, or in any way, make them alot more demaning to play

I agree that 30% of the people shouldnt be stealthers, but giving one realm the ability to win most stealthfights isnt the way to go. Besides they changed the stealth fights completly with giving archers some extra abilities and see hidden (still called TS, but it works like SH).
ToA has also changed the game, so with all these new changes it does seem like we went back 1 year atleast in balance, if not back to the start of the game.

 

[Gordonax]

Incidentally, doesn't eveyrone think that it's FAR to early to judge what the effects of the new RA's will be? For example, purge - which costs 5 points - will be on a 15 minute timer, hence negating a lot of the advantage of minstrel mezz in stealth fights (scout slam will be more valuable, as it's less likely that people will go for Purge II). Until we actually see this system up and running, people really are way out of line saying such-and-such is going to be overpowered.

 

[Gordonax]

And, of course, you won't want to be taking on any RR5+hunters:

"Entwining Snakes: Insta-cast spell that is a PBAE 50% snare lasting 20 seconds."

 

[Gef]

Albs now have most of the utility of a standard 8 man RvR group in stealth form:

CC
Heals
Melee
Ranged damage

Why not go the whole way and give one of them a PBAE too .. oh wait Infs just got that didnt they?

 

[censi]

imo nerf the shit out of stealthers, or in any way, make them alot more demaning to play

I been hit with nerfs since 1.45 almost solidly for 2 years. Prior to this patch my class, and my Archer brethern, were at the point were if you nerfed them anymore you would have to literally delete the class from the game as it was so unviable. Any one who argue's that archers are not the weakest class in the game, both in terms of groupability for RVR and PVE, and solo capability for RVR and PVE, doesnt know daoc. They been the weakest for around 1-2 years now.

As a zerker you got hit with one LONG overdue LA nerf which effectivly put you en par with all other light tanks out there. Try to imagine how you would feel if those nerfs kept coming thick and fast for 2 years till you beloved zerker was quite literally totally undesired in an RVR group.

Assasins too for about the last 6 months to a year have been systamatically weakend patch after patch.

This RA patch is pretty good for Archers in general but I do feel a bit sad for Assasins. This RA patch makes Rangers viable in grps and gives them to option to spend RA points towards desirable group RA's like Determination etc.

Assasins have been isolated from group friendly RA, which kinda sets their path that they are best used in the solo/stealther side of the game still.

To not give the class even the option of picking RA's that make him desirable in an RVR group isnt really fair on the assasin community. I do feel extra sorry for NS's to they really been dealt a kick to the googlies.
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Mincers have always been a subject on controvsey since day 1.

Like it or lump it a big part of the daoc community plays stealthers (mainly people who like to play a game on there own terms without conditions of needs a good group setup to compete).

Mythic were always pretty careful in the past with changes to any of the stealth classes for fear of disturbing an already precariously balanced balance.

This one particular change is going to topple the balance of stealth wars so dramatically that I think a lot of the other realm stealthers may find it just to unfair.

Midgard and hibernia are now identically powered in stealth battles. Albion with CC and group healing in stealth wars are gonna tear the other 2 realms a new cakehole.

They have to remove AM from mincers before this preposal gets implemented.

Quite lid-rally!

 

[Talivar]

No1 cares about stealthers except stealthers.Stealthers gank every solo non stealther they see ruining any form of solo rvr so why should ppl care if they all nerfed?.And thats just from my solo POV, im sure all fg ppl will add how stealthers destroy there fg vs fg fights aswell.If stealthers had stayed solo or small numbers ect you wouldnt be nerfed but by forming stealth gank groups and ganking solo ppl/leeching/destroyinbg fg vs fg u lost all respect from the rest of daoc