America The Hate Target

[Embattle]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1887000/1887276.stm

TBH it's easy to see why so many Countries/People hate America.

 

[Moving Target]

What a fucking twat.

 

[Summo]

Um... this seems to make sense to me.

I'm reminded of that old saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) that says "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life."

Okay, so the US are more accurately saying "Teach yourself to fish and will help you along by giving you some fish." Not quote the same, but it does seem logical.

 

[mr.Blacky]

yes and no, considering the USA have helped coupes against democratic elected governments i say who are they to judge.
Seeing what Castro said rofl duh he will say help the poor countries no matter what the government is like. He runs a dictatorship

 

[suicide121]

Originally posted by SomeGuy
Um... this seems to make sense to me.

I'm reminded of that old saying (and I'm paraphrasing here) that says "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life."

Okay, so the US are more accurately saying "Teach yourself to fish and will help you along by giving you some fish." Not quote the same, but it does seem logical.

Very true

 

[Embattle]

Me don't think they're saying that at all.

 

[Summo]

What do you think they're saying, Emb?

Also just realised how many typos I made in my previous post.

 

[Embattle]

We will help you if you allow our companies etc in.

 

[Summo]

Hmm. Fair point. Maybe it is. Maybe there are incentives to allow US companies access to these 'developing' markets. I'm sure there's any number of negative ways of looking at this. The man did say...

Mr Bush said he opposed the concept of measuring development aid only by the amounts given - rather than the results achieved.

... and personally I can't fault that logic. We could chuck money at developing nations for the rest of time in the vain hope that it is collected and distributed to wherever it is needed most. This new appoach just seems to simply be saying, "Okay. The money's here. Show us the improvements you've made with our money and we'll give you more."

 

[Daffeh]

america == greedy bastards

end of story
they will only help poor countries if they get something out of it themselves

 

[Summo]

I disagree. I doubt any nation has commited anywhere near the same level of effort and resources to the devloping world.

 

[Skyler]

Well I think the whole give a man a fish bollocks is a good idea, a country cant build itself up on handouts, if you give it a helpful handout in the form of resources and other items, and assist them in building it up themselves then it will save aid money in the long run I would think....

But America should still stop being utter twats about 90% of things

*cough* Kyoto *cough*

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by Daf
america == greedy bastards

end of story
they will only help poor countries if they get something out of it themselves

I agree with this comment.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by SomeGuy
I disagree. I doubt any nation has commited anywhere near the same level of effort and resources to the devloping world.

The US currently contributes just 0.1% of its gross national income, the lowest amount in the developed world.

 

[*Kornholio*]

which echo's the 'usa = greedy bastards' sentiment...

 

[Testin da Cable]

here's some fish.

hey, how about bigcompany comes in to fish so you don't have to?

sure, they make other stuff too, but you get the fish.

oh yeah, if you get fish from anyone else bigcompany leaves.

and the sanctions come back.

and we redo that bay of pigs thing the right way, the american way!

and you have to rename the islandgroup to hawaii-2

 

[Skyler]

lol TdC

 

[Summo]

Fair enough, Emb. I now sit on slightly more cynical buttocks.

Found a couple of others

Teach a man to fish, and you introduce another competitor into the overcrowded fishing industry. Give a man a fish, and you stimulate demand for your product.

Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Explain why he needs a fish, explain that you are better than anyone else at fulfilling his fish requirements, and leave him your number and the website address of get-a-fish.com. Having stimulated his need for fish, both you and the venture capitalists will believe that there is no possible way he can get a fish online without coming to you. 100,000 people sign up in the first month. Your market cap goes to $50M. Now, quickly, sell up. Whilst you weren't looking your marketing manager thought it would be a great idea to turn your fish site into an 'Online Fish Portal'. As a result, everyone who signed up in the first month has followed the link to learn-to-fish.com, and taught themselves to fish online. Your company is now worthless, but you've walked away with $10M, and you still don't even know how to fish yourself.

 

[Furr]

Has anyone heard about how Bush has put trade tariffs against imported steel to let the American steel economy prosper? Well the Eu has decided to fight back here , the areas chosen are ones that damage president bush politically, they are in states where bush narrowly won the election so they are hoping to hit bush where it hurts by turning the population against him.
Personally i don’t like the idea of tariffs up against other tariffs, too reminding of the depression of 1929

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I'm surprised Bush was stupid enough to do the steel thing. We all remember the banana war from a few months ago(last year i guess now).

Btw, since we all read the BBC:
Am i the only one who's noticed how the BBC allways uses pictures of people that look really odd. I first noticed that i was able to make some good `BushorChimp' style pictures with some of the pics of the BBC news, then i noticed that they were doing weird picks of everyone. Some of the pics of Arafat on there are hilarious. They seem to post funny pictures of everyone, so i don't think it's political - more a case of bored news posters.

 

[bodhi]

This thread has demonstrated why politics bores me more than just about anything else on this planet, apart from accountants and the Vauxhall Vectra.

 

[Hashmonster]

Originally posted by SomeGuy
Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life...

can u teach me summo? i'm hungry

 

[Wij]

tbh, i agree with bush over this. no point in pouring money down a leaky drain. the only really dumb thing bush has done economically is the steel tax. that's just shite.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Wij
tbh, i agree with bush over this. no point in pouring money down a leaky drain. the only really dumb thing bush has done economically is the steel tax. that's just shite.

While I agree to a small extent the fact is he has a hidden agenda.

 

[*Exor*]

"Okay. The money's here. Show us the improvements you've made with our money and we'll give you more."

Spot fucking on. I don't think America are greedy, they don't HAVE to give anything to these shitty little countries, but they do. I hate the fact that we piss away hard earned cash on "developing" counties. I'd rather they all just die and we spend the money on our police service or something.

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by Hashmonster
can u teach me summo? i'm hungry

Now thats a challange!

 

[stu]

To all the people in this thread whinging about this policy - pick up a copy of the Sunday Times today, there's a story about the Gujarat survivors one year on (ie where that uber-earthquake hit last year). It's downstairs, and I only gave it a quick scan so I might have the figures wrong, but iirc about $2million was directly donated in aid to the area... and yet it's all gone, and everyone is still homeless. Because, unsurprisingly, the local warlords etc basically pocketed the lot.

Maybe that's what the US is so pissed off about - the fact that whenever international aid is donated, none of it actually gets to the people it's sent for. I for one do not see why my tax dollars should go to help countries like Zimbabwe or Somalia, and fuel some despot's personal war chest.

 

[*Exor*]

Consider this thread owned.

 

[mr.Blacky]

Stu you are right about a couple things. It is right to say well i give you money do something usefull with it or i wont give you no more money. However considering US past history in a)giving money b)atitude towards develloping countries they are not the one that should speak up. Also most American aid has always come with the restriction that they should spend the money with American companies, though i have to say more countries are doing this now.
2 million dollars? well that is much rofl even if not considering the fact that 25.000 people died this leaves a lot of people without houses. Also with the curent level of money remaining in the hands of the charity organisations (for admin/storage of goods/pay for people) It would surprise me if a quarter has arived at its destination where people also have to be fed.


UHMMMM you pay your taxes in dollars aren't you in Leeds???

 

[*Exor*]

It was a figure of speech. Cock.