AM won't affect the caster

[Aliorm]

Poor minscer :x

Atleast all nerf comes

 

[harebear]

/cry For meh skald =( fuck the mincers

 

[Jox]

2 times, last night...I jumped rr 7+ mincers. Both times I lost.

1. I opened with backstab/pa.
2. I purged the stun.
3. I used RoF 2(a good ability versus AP).
4. I circulated wepaons.
5. I used Second Wind/Endurance Totem.
6. I had an af-charge upp and running.
7. Since the opener stunned them, I used Hamstring/Leaper(good styles).
8. My equipment is ok.
9. I had all relics.

What more can I do?

High rr Mincers have been grossly overpowered since the introduction of ras.

Nerf them to hell I say.

 

[Lejemorder]

Explain to me why mine is stupid?

Every wanker gonna get passive viper, When a infil or sb attacks me, I hit my special ra meaning i keep my 1579 weaponskill you cant reaply the poison on me cause i got 1 min imunity.

So i got no dots ticking on me and no str/con debuff. You got str/con debuff and a dot ticking for about 150+ dam (viper3) and got 12xx 13xx weaponskill (sb even lower) Meaning my evades gonna be very high so you will get db up your ars.

Ap is not a big loss what i can choose for all the points, If i would not get it now to gain the edge i would be stupid not to take it now. But then i dont have the possibilty to choose it, so i can spend my points on other stuff.

Solo mincers should watch out in frontiers with my viper3,purg3 and when i loose i just hit vanish haha Revange for all those song of gay run aways xDDDDDDDDD

just saw on it again... it r only on 5 min timer means u can actully use nearly every battle and just remembered that str/con debuff + dots take more then 10% dmg

edit: and i still think the lose AP is still a huge nerf for NSs.

 

[Kokelimonkelmedisin]

just saw on it again... it r only on 5 min timer means u can actully use nearly every battle and just remembered that str/con debuff + dots take more then 10% dmg

edit: and i still think the lose AP is still a huge nerf for NSs.

yes well now NOONE can counter argue that NSs are infils with poorer starting races and less spec pts.

 

[Nalistah]

the overpowered fotminfils will still get healed in their 8ppl zerg ;C

 

[Frostor]

we can still zephyr

 

[liloe]

so much QQ ppls just look at there own chars. all 3 realms have to take a hit. Think skalds like to lose det. becous bards can demezz? and yeha how rude of Mystic, poor minstrel have been Mystic most wubed char since realase?
(over all not temp fotm)
feel sooooooooooooooooooooo sorry for em.... or not

??? OK, what exactly do you want to tell me with that. I told my opinion about the AM change from the bard point of vue so afaik that's no QQ. I never played minstrel and never will so I'm not really interested in how it affects them.

Then: When did skalds have det. ???

and then this: Think skalds like to lose det. becous bards can demezz?
WHAT do you mean???

 

[Jeros]

QQ more fotm

i must take exception to this.

i have been playing Jeros for well over a year, when i started mincers had only 6 sec stun, no ablative, so stealth abiltys, less powerful dds with huge power cost, many people considered us gimped in pve.....and they were partly right.

i rolled a mincer cos there was a SHORTAGE of them and i like being differant, now however, there everyware, and were about to lose our decent defencive ras, i feel less inclined to play.

i have over 62 days played and only 3L2 cos

A: i was a noob leveling so i sucked
B: i insisted in capping BG 1 and 3
C: i like exporing
D: my slow pc no like rvr zergs :/

now im autotraining a scout to 50, and my job should get me some cash to upgrade the ol celeron 1ghz

in closing, dont call me fotm :kissit:

 

[Lejemorder]

yes well now NOONE can counter argue that NSs are infils with poorer starting races and less spec pts.

not infils fall that in fact was the luri and elfs NS there whined so u could no longer choice celt as class and it was also them there whined so u didnt got shar

 

[Dyss]

??? OK, what exactly do you want to tell me with that. I told my opinion about the AM change from the bard point of vue so afaik that's no QQ. I never played minstrel and never will so I'm not really interested in how it affects them.

Then: When did skalds have det. ???

and then this: Think skalds like to lose det. becous bards can demezz?
WHAT do you mean???

Well skalds is only Light tanks that won't get det. both minstrel and bard can demezz and have speed but skalds are just speed bots but still they don't get det. even thanes and reavers will get det. kinda sux that skalds will be only melee class that dosen't get det. even Warden gets it and they start as Naturalist!?!? Skalds starts as viking anyway should get melee RAs. imo

and for "when did skalds have det.???
zzz thought we talked about frontiers here?

 

[Avindor]

Death to all minstrels. Take away chain armor and mez spell too. :wub:

 

[Divinia]

lol.. did they even think of the fact that bards use this RA aswell?

 

[Divinia]

Well skalds is only Light tanks that won't get det. both minstrel and bard can demezz and have speed but skalds are just speed bots but still they don't get det. even thanes and reavers will get det. kinda sux that skalds will be only melee class that dosen't get det. even Warden gets it and they start as Naturalist!?!? Skalds starts as viking anyway should get melee RAs. imo

and for "when did skalds have det.???
zzz thought we talked about frontiers here?

think beyond startingclass.. hence bards is hybrids should they get tank RA's also?

 

[Lejemorder]

Well skalds is only Light tanks that won't get det. both minstrel and bard can demezz and have speed but skalds are just speed bots but still they don't get det. even thanes and reavers will get det. kinda sux that skalds will be only melee class that dosen't get det. even Warden gets it and they start as Naturalist!?!? Skalds starts as viking anyway should get melee RAs. imo

and for "when did skalds have det.???
zzz thought we talked about frontiers here?

u r not alone.. u can join friars they dont get either AoM, IP or Det they just dont whine coz they all left or rerolled (even quicksilver have rerolled).
And skalds dont get IP too sux.
Classes there need IP and det but dont get it in frontier is mincers, skalds and friars (maybe bards need IP to too).

 

[Zoia]

think beyond startingclass.. hence bards is hybrids should they get tank RA's also?

If bards can get IP and det, that's fine with me.
Not sure if they should get tank RAs since they are more support, but something to help them survive, like IP, would be helpful.

Last time Mythic gave us a definition on what a skald's job was, they said:

"Unlike some classes, Skalds are not intended to hang out in the back of a fight, out of harm's way. It's more reasonable to expect a Skald to be in the thick of battle, likely meleeing and/or interrupting healers and casters."

I would say that qualifies for IP and det.
Give the healing RAs to somone who wants to be a healer.

 

[Moo]

this is bullshit

either give us back IP or make AM self too...

 

[[RR]Cyclodia]

this is bullshit

either give us back IP or make AM self too...

Look all the noobs whining hahahahahahahahaah :kissit: :kissit:

 

[Kokelimonkelmedisin]

this is bullshit

either give us back IP or make AM self too...

this is bullshit

I dont want to be the support class that my minstrel is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to WTFPWN!!!

teehee...

OMG minstrels are shooo gimped now OMFG'orz

/em feels sooo sorry for minstrels, they must be the most gimped class in the world... NOT

 

[Lejemorder]

i fell sorry for all the minstrels there lose IP, but i cant fell sorry for u not get affected by AM, the same count for the new version of FA (and fa was also supose not to affect the caster).
ohh and i cant see why ppl r whining so much over mincers ofc it r most stealthers

 

[Vodkafairy]

lol.. did they even think of the fact that bards use this RA aswell?

doubt it..

it will be a huge blow for all solo'ing bards, there's not too many but the ones that do really like it

 

[Gorre]

newsflash: mythic wants zergwarz.
no more fg vs fg action
no more stealthers solo action

AM is an awesome group ability
if you dont understand this go PL any other fotm stealther class preferably DW thrust infil
speed classes with acces to AP IP insta interupts insta stun mezz stealth climb wall and even sos wer never ment to be able to solo imho cuz its a huge imbalance vs any sniper/assasin class

and who cares about solo stealth classes anyway 97%just leeches or make stealthzergs

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Mincers are still gonne be overpowered ... don't be to happy alrdy I'll just start grping with some1 :eek2:

The end is not even close yet !

 

[liloe]

Well skalds is only Light tanks that won't get det. both minstrel and bard can demezz and have speed but skalds are just speed bots but still they don't get det. even thanes and reavers will get det. kinda sux that skalds will be only melee class that dosen't get det. even Warden gets it and they start as Naturalist!?!? Skalds starts as viking anyway should get melee RAs. imo

and for "when did skalds have det.???
zzz thought we talked about frontiers here?

this might all be right and very sad, but I do not play these classes so I surely won't look at their RA list until it gets live (know your enemy). My point is not wether Skalds should get melee RA's or not, my point is, that Mythic wants to kill a balanced RA, instead of fixing never used/broken RA's like they promised.

You cannot simply give every realm the same RA's, this is
a) boring
b) leaves class balance kinda out

Giving every class a well thought list of useful RA's (well some are always shared, sure) would've been loads better but hey, not all game designers do their job well. I'm alrdy pretty interested in seeing AM3 + BoF3 in action, this will be pretty interesting I think.

 

[Light]

Look all the noobs whining hahahahahahahahaah :kissit: :kissit:

Cyclodia stop being a cock

only irl fukwits like to gloat when someone else's class which a shit load of time and effort has gone into is royally fuked up the ass

used to have some respect for you abd we had some good scraps but selfish fuks with that attitude make me uke:

 

[Gordonax]

Look all the noobs whining hahahahahahahahaah :kissit: :kissit:

Look, Cyclodia being a lickle teenager...

...but we're used to that.

 

[tazzbe]

Can only hope & pray someone wakes up at Mythic and realises groups will have no speed soon...

What point is it to play a class that has 0 chance to heal itself when needed (bard, skald & mincer)

Prob is the stealthduo's of course...giving HoT to mincer and let it affect caster also would mean no Hib or Mid stealthgroup can kill em...
Now they made it not affect the caster...and the ones that gonna suffer most from it are mincers in stealth of course...Skald & Bard usually are grouped with a normal group (and healing classes).
While i think 1/2 Albion mincers playing both stealth & normal RvR when they get the chance.

Means they might aswell not play stealth anymore...you got 1900 hp....get PA'd for xx dmg by assasin you don't see inc... will be a real challenge to lose from a mincer as an assasin or archer soon...

If they don't want mincer to play in stealth...why not take it away...give em some other ability to spec in...i wouldn't mind if could spec into something else than stealth.

The game changed so much since Beta...and untill today...it still feels like we playing a beta tbh... someone at Mythic coming up with some idea... and let's see how the customers react on the change we doing...when people stop paying for their account...let's change it back to something else...etc...

Always fun to play a char to a reasonable RP level..just to get it "nerfed" again...

of course the re-roll is an option...but this means...get 50, get ML10, get RR5+ to be able to enjoy the class a bit...if this goes live & stays this way...think i'll stop playing daoc for good.

And think i won't be alone..

 

[liloe]

tazzbe, you said that pretty well I must say =))

 

[Jeros]

n1 tazzbe /agree

 

[angrysquirrel]

ok so lets look at a bards defensive ra's

..dodger..removed from game

...am..does not affect caster

ok thats bad


but we get sos..wooopedeedoo. thats not defense, thats running away!

ok lets look at end / speed / mana regen for the realms

paladin - uninterruptable end chant
shammy - end buff (again no interruption)
hib - if end aint on, keep at it ! oh wait..interupted..spam end song a bit..hmm still going on..wait 3 secs..ok no end..fine ill try healing..oh wait same problem! what a gimp i am...ok what else can i do ..use instas..nah instas for gimps...erm ok ill wait till fights over then put speed on and repeat the entire process.

biased as fuck ofc.