Always wanted to try this, and maybe "discuss" it :D

Did you lie in this poll?

  • Yes i did!

    Votes: 30 39.0%
  • No i certainly didn't!

    Votes: 47 61.0%

  • Total voters
    77

old.Tohtori

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Did you lie in this poll?

It's rather simple. You answer yes or no to the poll to the question "Did you lie in this poll?"

It's the age old thingy, but i thought it would be interesting.

Since, if you say yes you did lie, then you didn't lie...or however the f*ck it went :D
 

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you can be taken away to a mental asylum for less than this
 

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I gave this a deep philosophical thought and I could only come to one conclusion:

donuts are fairly round.
 

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I didn't lie, I was in a seated position. Couldn't reach the computer on the desk whilst lying down.

Darzil
 

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Well problem is if i lied id have to say yes i did else i wouldnt be lieing, and if i didnt lie i'd have to say no also. So by logics there should be 100% on no, and thoose who didnt vote no are well... hmm not thinking about what they answer, which is prolly quite right web polls :)
 

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Yes if you say that you lied "yes", then you are saying you lied when you said yes and actually meant to say no. Which means you didn't lie. But as you said you DID lie, it kinda contradicts itself.

If you answered no, you could be lying, in which case you actually meant yes..which means...*continues on page 354*
 

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crispy said:
Well problem is if i lied id have to say yes i did else i wouldnt be lieing,
You might want to edit that before the timer runs out :). (edit: At least I suppose that was supposed to say "Well problem is if i lied id have to say No i certainly didn't! else i wouldnt be lieing," considering the rest of your post)
 

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noblok said:
You might want to edit that before the timer runs out :). (edit: At least I suppose that was supposed to say "Well problem is if i lied id have to say No i certainly didn't! else i wouldnt be lieing," considering the rest of your post)

Tbh, im drunk going to town soon, cut me some slack :D
 

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something like this was on the labyrinth, had davie bowie in it.

only, there was 2 brothers one only told the truth, other only lied, and the main character has to find out what path to take, so she asked, "what would your brother say?"

as a result, i cant really figure it out... is it a logical paradox?
 

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psyco said:
as a result, i cant really figure it out... is it a logical paradox?

Paradox isnt the right word, thats just a logic problem :) You need to make a question that is a logical statement involving both their answers as each one wont give you enough info on its own.
 

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Boni said:
Paradox isnt the right word, thats just a logic problem :) You need to make a question that is a logical statement involving both their answers as each one wont give you enough info on its own.

so is there even an answer?

ps, ive never really understood what a paradox was/is? i looked it up, still i dont get it
 

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psyco said:
so is there even an answer?

ps, ive never really understood what a paradox was/is? i looked it up, still i dont get it

The question and answer are roughly as you say :) Something like each guard standing infront of a door, you ask one which door the other would tell you to go though and always pick the opposite door.

If you asked the nice guard, he will correctly tell you the lie the other guard would tell so you pick the other door.

If you asked the bad guard, he will lie about the correct answer the good guard would give, so you pick the other door.

Ask either guard which door to pick and youll get a different answer and not know which is which :)
 

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gave it a bit more thought, and i cant see why you can't reply negatively... so wtf? i reply no!
 

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where is the "all of the above" option :(

For the headachey win!!
 

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psyco said:
so is there even an answer?

ps, ive never really understood what a paradox was/is? i looked it up, still i dont get it
i think the paradox thats discussed here is: this statement is false.
Now if the statement is false then its the truth - but then its not false!
If its true, then it's not false!
DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!
but the question is wrong if he wants to create a mindboggling question. coz to this one there's an easy question. if you press option 1 you contradict yourself and the situation is now a paradox, but option 2 leads to a simple and easy answer "no, im telling the truth when i say i didn't lie in this poll"
a paradox is a abstract thought that has no logical answer. if you have seen Futurama, the Farnsworth's Paradox is a good example of an abstract thought. the fessor creates a box including their counter universe, when they jump into the box they get out in a reverse paradox which has the opposite box (leading to their universe). In the end they each pull their respective box into their universe and are now holding their own universe in a box in their hands..? wtf :D

hope this might clarify something. not my strong side but thats how i relate to it.
 

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Huntingtons said:
i think the paradox thats discussed here is: this statement is false.
Now if the statement is false then its the truth - but then its not false!
If its true, then it's not false!
DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!
but the question is wrong if he wants to create a mindboggling question. coz to this one there's an easy question. if you press option 1 you contradict yourself and the situation is now a paradox, but option 2 leads to a simple and easy answer "no, im telling the truth when i say i didn't lie in this poll"
a paradox is a abstract thought that has no logical answer. if you have seen Futurama, the Farnsworth's Paradox is a good example of an abstract thought. the fessor creates a box including their counter universe, when they jump into the box they get out in a reverse paradox which has the opposite box (leading to their universe). In the end they each pull their respective box into their universe and are now holding their own universe in a box in their hands..? wtf :D

hope this might clarify something. not my strong side but thats how i relate to it.

leayla also used a paradox on santa

but still very confucing topics, still unsure of the meaning
 

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psyco said:
leayla also used a paradox on santa

but still very confucing topics, still unsure of the meaning

a statement that's logical but contradicts itself.

or it can be the other way around - something that contradicts itself but has a logical solution. maybe ;O
 

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From wikipidiea:-

A paradox (Gk: παράδοξος, "aside belief") is an apparently true statement or group of statements that leads to a contradiction or a situation which defies intuition. Typically, either the statements in question do not really imply the contradiction, the puzzling result is not really a contradiction, or the premises themselves are not all really true or cannot all be true together. The word paradox is often used interchangeably and wrongly with contradiction; but whereas a contradiction asserts its own opposite, many paradoxes do allow for resolution of some kind.

I remember reading about the 'french paradox' recently. That is that french people have a diet high in saturated fat, so they should all be dropping down dead of heart disease, but in reality the french have a really low rate of heart problems. People put this down to red wine and various other factors. As wikipidea says above, its not really a contradiction, just something that doesnt seem like it should be right, given what we know.

Theres another 'french paradox' with coffee, its supposed to be bad for your liver due to the caffine or something. But in reality people who drink a lot of coffee have very good livers.
 

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Boni said:
From wikipidiea:-

A paradox (Gk: παράδοξος, "aside belief") is an apparently true statement or group of statements that leads to a contradiction or a situation which defies intuition. Typically, either the statements in question do not really imply the contradiction, the puzzling result is not really a contradiction, or the premises themselves are not all really true or cannot all be true together. The word paradox is often used interchangeably and wrongly with contradiction; but whereas a contradiction asserts its own opposite, many paradoxes do allow for resolution of some kind.

thats what confuced me:p
 

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A paradox could be (if men were worse than women at driving cars:) Why do more men than women drive cars, when men are worse at driving them.
 

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Seal, according to Freud, you have Freddyshouse Syndrome.

The only cure is to get drunk.
 

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