Always read the small print...

[DaGaffer]

Fucking Audi. When I go to Ireland they won't let me take my car (its a lease). Fair enough, but if I give the car up, the redemption fee for my lease is...10 grand! So I'm stuck with a car I can't take with me but I also can't afford to give up! Answers on a postcard please...

 

[Damini]

What if it got stolen before you went, or pranged or something?

Can you transfer the lease to another driver?

What the hell kind of shiny mobile are you driving that has a ten grand redemption fee? It better actively release pheremones and melt underwear.

 

[Tom]

Try the moneysavingexpert forums, maybe someone there can help.

Unfortunately 10 grand may sound a lot, but just imagine how that relates to the depreciation they will suffer.

 

[Bodhi]

What if they didnt know you took it with you, and registered it at a friend's address in the UK, and brought it back every 3 months or so so you can keep it on British plates. Would save you a fortune.

Oi Tom, get over to Reader's Cars on PH and fix my Punto!

 

[Edmond]

can you not do a lease transfer with Audi, hand this one back but get another one in Ireland and contiue the lease?

 

[Chilly]

Dont drive things you cant afford.

 

[gunner440]

Dont drive things you cant afford.

Very wise man Chilly is.

 

[DaGaffer]

Dont drive things you cant afford.

Ah Chilly, Chilly, you really are a pointless little twat aren't you? I can afford it, I'm just not being allowed to drive it. Learn to read before pontificating.

 

[Will]

Learn to read before pontificating.

This is the intarwebs. What were you expecting?

Other than that pearl of wisdom, I can't help at all. Sorry.

 

[Chilly]

Ah Chilly, Chilly, you really are a pointless little twat aren't you? I can afford it, I'm just not being allowed to drive it. Learn to read before pontificating.

So why didnt you buy it instead of taking out a loan (lease, same difference) without reading the terms properly? Sorry, but I'm not the twat who insists on driving cars they cant afford outright.

 

[Bodhi]

So why didnt you buy it instead of taking out a loan (lease, same difference) without reading the terms properly? Sorry, but I'm not the twat who insists on driving cars they cant afford outright.

No I'd say you were the twat who keeps sticking his oar into subjects he doesn't have a fucking clue about. You do know, that a lot of the time it is better not to hit "Post Reply" and keep your thoughts to yourself?

 

[DaGaffer]

So why didnt you buy it instead of taking out a loan (lease, same difference) without reading the terms properly? Sorry, but I'm not the twat who insists on driving cars they cant afford outright.

Because, smart-arse, I'm required to have a car for my current job, and they give me an allowance for it, and its cheaper from a tax pov to get a lease rather than a company car. Unfortunately I've fallen into a particular circumstance where I want to keep the car, but I'm effectively not allowed to drive it because of the lease company's rules, so I face a penalty that I never expected to face (if my new job was in the UK, I'd just keep the car and carry on paying for it). I don't have a problem with their rules, but it pisses me off that "European Union" doesn't seem to work every time I want to do anything practical. Its not like Ireland is a LHD country or anything.

Of course none of this matters to you because you're capable of 24x7 foresight so you can sit in judgement on the rest of us from whatever fetid little hole in the ground you live in; after all, I assume you don't live in a place with a mortgage, because you wouldn't live anywhere you couldn't afford to buy outright? Right?

 

[Sydrik]

Gaffer, I assume you have tried to see if they have offices abroad, the lease might be transferrable. If not do you have a family member of friend who would want to take it over, or someone who works for the same company as you and might have their lease up for renewal.

Chilly, this is what happens when wikipedia gives you the wrong information. Thousands of people a damn site richer than anyone on these forums lease cars for business purposes becauses its economical. Or in an easy-to-read format.

You + This Thread = Fail.

 

[MYstIC G]

Not that I know much about this having not seen your agreement or purchased a vehicle in this way, but is there some reason why you can't change lease company?

Otherwise surely you can finance it some other way for tax purposes, like a bank loan?

 

[nath]

So why didnt you buy it instead of taking out a loan (lease, same difference) without reading the terms properly? Sorry, but I'm not the twat who insists on driving cars they cant afford outright.

Substitute "Youtube" for "forum" and this becomes most apt for this situation.

 

[gunner440]

I don't get why you say 'f*****g Audi' when it was you who didn't read the print :/

 

[nath]

So if the next Firefox release installed tonnes of spyware (all legitimised by the small print) you wouldn't say "Fucking Mozilla!"?

 

[gunner440]

So if the next Firefox release installed tonnes of spyware (all legitimised by the small print) you wouldn't say "Fucking Mozilla!"?

no.

 

[nath]

no.

Fair enough. I would, I expect the same could be said for most people.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm saying "fucking Audi" because they're not being flexible; I want to keep my car and I want to keep paying for it, but there's not much point if they won't let me drive it (and btw,the small print about taking the car abroad is "call us", which wasn't an issue when I took out the lease). I'm looking into alternate finance (Audi Ireland don't do leases), but in the current climate that could be difficult (e.g. new employee in new country). Finding someone to take over the lease would be best, but the market for that kind of thing isn't as developed here as in the US.

 

[Chilly]

Its different tho isnt it?

Mozilla is a piece of free software, audi sell cars for actual money. If I'm doing something involving more than a few quid I'll read the terms. I read my entire employment contract cover to cover - it was mostly boring as fuck but I'm glad I read it cos it's got these little hidden gems like "DO NOT TAKE JOB TO IRELEND" etc.

So if its a work car, get work to pay? Oh, work wont pay? Quite right.

 

[gunner440]

Mr.A: Hey ma'am. You look like you're struggling with those heavy John Lewis bags, would you like me to carry them to your car for you? and rape you when we get there

Ms. Ma'am: That would be great. It's very gentlemanly of you. My arms do hurt.

*****RAPE*****

Ms. Ma'am: Hello? Police? I was raped against my will! It's his fault!


^ The above may or may not have been a real life experience

 

[TdC]

even though a verbal agreement is legally binding here in Holland I'm sure the courts would pause at your analogy, gunner440. tone it down eh.

 

[Chilly]

good analogy imo.

 

[nath]

good analogy imo.

Except it clearly isn't. Choosing to ignore a threat to rape you is not even remotely the same as failing to read the small print on something. Besides, when you're dealing with car companies such as Audi and the like (i.e. slightly more prestigious than vauxhall) you expect a bit of flexibility when dealing with them. It's not usually a case of "this is the deal, take it or fuck off". So in that respect, Gaff has a right to be a little fucked off when they end up saying "computer says no".

Though if you'd actually lived in the world a bit rather than being a keyboard-warrior you might understand that.

 

[gunner440]

blablabla

It's always the other person's fault right?

 

[Yoni]

The issue with your analogy is gunz that quite clearly the woman didn't hear the utterances under the man's breath... if he had written it down so she could clearly see the small print and agreed then it would no longer be rape but consensual sex.

Rape can only exist consensually if it is part of some kind of sexual act where it isn't really rape but a scenario acted out in order to fulfil a rape fantasy.. however in the eyes of the law not rape.....

Audi are being unnecessarily difficult DaGaffer however I am not sure there is a lot you can do about it ;(

 

[nath]

It's always the other person's fault right?

It's not a matter of fault though, things aren't so black and white. Plus, no one is saying that Audi are technically wrong/not allowed to do what they're doing, but that's hardly the issue.

 

[tris-]

i guess the moral is if you read the print you know score and therfore might not be so pissed off when something happens.

 

[elisera]

To be fair though if the small print only said "call us" and at the time of accepting you didnt know if any reasons that weren't covered in the rest of the small print what would you have done? phoned anyway and gone through every possible iteration of where you tihnk your life will go over the term of the lease?

I think its a bit unfair that they didnt state something like that clearly even in the small print when its hardly a move halfway round the globe.