Alliances in our realm.

[pudzy]

Kinda kept this bottled up for ages now, knowing that noone would give a shit what I thought, but I've decided to speak my mind about it.

Every alliance I've been is has had pathetic gay stupid non-spammy rules and turns out alliance chat is never used. I'm at BO not even sure what alliance but I dont even have /as, so fucknows what our's is like. People whining on /as is annoying, people chatting isn't imo. I've been on Alb/Exc I'm not certain but I think the alliance is called Perfectus Amicita Alliance - they use /as all the time even just to say Hi. Their all happy chatting, asking for groups and advertising crafters etc - they even help eachother out with probs and advice over /as - in mid I wouldn't dream of using /as to ask a question non-game related, or non-important.

The thing that triggered me being so pissed at Mid alliances in general was when I was in HH and we joined the New Era alliance. Louise had been threatend, bought to meetings and abused because she did /as /kiss when she logged on in the evenings - I mean wtf? Why hold meetings and have a go at someone who does something like that? She's a sweet person ANYONE who knows her will agree I bet my Savage's balls on it - the reason i was given is just a joke - "If she does it everyone else will" - YES MATE! I'll log in everyday and kiss you all, fear.

Dunno how many alliances are in mid now, and tbh I couldn't care less everytime theres a crisis the word spreads very fast and we are by far IMO the most defensive realm on Prydwen, so to all those who moan because new alliances are created, think about why - USE /as for more than just alerts - if you think its spammy turn it off, I'm sure you'll know if anything spectaculer happens. The alliance in my new Alb guild is like IRC without the whine and with nice peeps, so I rarely duckout of game to IRC for a chat, and I know that when I need a Wc'er, Ac'er, Sc'er Alch etc etc I can ask on there without having a GM kick my ass about it.

I'm not sure who the general poof's in Midgard are who complained about spam - I was told Nemesis alliance got too spammy with people moaning - if they are moaning 24/7 remove their as privilages, but instead everyones suffering with alliances enforcing strict rules on /as rights, the game with this facility is being run more like a power tool - you have to be important to have it or have something important to say.

My overall message and point to the thread would be to everyone, relax and remember its a game, stop whining about spam and think more about how underpowered our realm is :x. Before I quit daoc I plan to have my own guild and alliance, I'll prolly be only one in it but atleast I'll not be bossed around, moaned and complained at.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Cry more!

 

[old.willowywicca]

sounds like mid alliances suck

NE alliance that EE are in is similar sounding to the alb excal one you mention

 

[Fafnir]

When I joined HH we where in the BIG alliance dont remember the name. And /as was just a bloody flame place. Then HH decided to leave the alliance and joined NE. Yes NE has harsher rules about what goes on in /as. But i far more like NE than the old Alliance.

 

[Hargh]

Considering there is almsot always something going on in the frontiers then people are right to ask for less banter on /as.

However.

On those times when no one minds there is plenty of chat. These tend to be "out of hours" as this si the time when there is less co-ordinataion required.

This way of approaching meant that the Alliance that Nemesis were in with many other great and good guilds was ALWAYS very well represented in any realm defence and rvr events.

Sadly DTP and JPF have left this alliance and there may be further developments over the weekend so who knows?

 

[old.Spug]

Pud, everyone can play the game as they like, but if alliance rules say "no spam" then AS shouldnt be used for spam. simply find an alliance that suits your needs.

personally I'm all for RVR messages only... so feel free to whine at me for that.

 

[Kedaran_Mid]

The Norrsken alliance is like that. You can ask for help/advise, ask if someone has a lv 5 alt and feel like exping, or even ask when simpsons is on. Nobody gets angry over a bit of spam as everyone does it.. But when something is happening, relic or just a big keeptake, the random "spam" stops and you get the info you need. I love it the way it is, i think most people in the Norrsken alliance does.



-K.

 

[old.moriath]

Well not all mid alliances are like that . The Faith alliance has a nice friendly /as and we chat ask for help and give RvR info in it and no one seems to have had a problem.

Its not all mid alliances ... just the ones that like to think they are in the army and are UBer RvR and nothing is more important than the next realm point.

TBH im here to have fun and especially for smaller guilds a silent /as just leads to isolation feelings between the members of the alliance and less likely to help anyone out.

We still get to know whats being attacked where but are able to communicate and have fun as well which is far more important imo

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by Kedaran_Mid
The Norrsken alliance is like that. You can ask for help/advise, ask if someone has a lv 5 alt and feel like exping, or even ask when simpsons is on. Nobody gets angry over a bit of spam as everyone does it.. But when something is happening, relic or just a big keeptake, the random "spam" stops and you get the info you need. I love it the way it is, i think most people in the Norrsken alliance does.



-K.

But you speak swedish!!11

 

[Farnis]

lol dont get me started.

Only alliance ive been in worth its salt was the one where people were allowed to do whatever they liked. Before that we had to sit through 3 hour meetings where people (me and spug from what i can remember) argued the pros and cons on having /as police.

..but alas people like different things and none of them are wrong to think that way.

 

[klavrynd]

warders alliance = teh rock

 

[henryvee]

Personally I don't particularly enjoy reading lots of Alliance Chat spam, and would prefer if it was left for only RvR, except perhaps for the witty joke, and as I'm the only person who knows witty jokes, well that would be only me that could use AS for that purpose ;-)

But I don't think that is what is bothering Pudzy. Rather it is the anal way that the Alliance Chat has been policed in the past. There was nothing worse than seeing someone you know publicly humiliated, by being told to 'Make a CG FFS' (I'm sure some folk had that macro'd). And then to recieve a talking down to about how alliance chat should be used properly

I always felt the old Fedaykin alliance had the right balance. They would let the spam go for a while, and then eventually someone would ask POLITELY for it to stop, and 9 times out of 10 it worked.

You just need to look at the somewhat mixed replys that have been posted regarding an old alliance leader that has decided to quit the game. His (ahem) communication skills aside, I doubt anyone could seriously argue that he was a very succesful leader, and was heavily involved and responsible for some of Midgards most memorable victories.

But this leads me on to the other the other side of the coin. I am amazed at the way some of the most experianced and skilled players in the game talk to other players. I remember being on a RR once where someone inexperianced had killed a patrol, when we should have been mezzing and running. The torrent of abuse the person recieved as a result was unacceptable, and many from folk who should have known better.

I've played since the start too, and i think if Midgard is to squeeze anymore RvR enjoyment out of the game, we are going to need some compromise here. The spammers would do well to calm down i think. Not everyone wants to read about how you Roxxor or whatever. I'll put myself in that gang, and change my ways. I was spamming our AS about the eurovision song contest being amazing one night while rather drunk, and that just can't have been what my other alliance pals were wanting to read

Joking aside, I think our more experianced, more skilled players would also do well out of being less selfish, and less preachy as to how alliance chat should be used. Life has enough hassles without getting wound up about a computer game surely?

Why don't we have a wee go at treating one another with respect for a change, and see if we can't move away from all these fractured alliances we have these days, and centralise things a bit more


Henryvee

White Rose General

 

[Dwarfdeep]

As Moriath says, we have an open friendly /as in Faith.
People can chat freely if their is no major rvr situation (relic raids etc). So not all Midgard's alliances are draconian about /as usage.

We allow lfg calls, raid announcements, general chat. Heard Norrsken was similar to us too.

Long live open alliance chats

 

[old.Zarff]

pudz m8 don't write so long posts ppl with an IQ under 100 have a hard time trying to read it!

 

[old.Gromnir]

Im glade that Natures Eye alliance isent like that And from what I remember from middie a few fruite cake always liked to make a constand whine and /as while other where "shhhh'ing" in fear of lossing a " 2 stealthers at random milegate"


Best midde alliance was the one between MÄ and MM

 

[old.Gromnir]

Originally posted by old.Zarff
pudz m8 don't write so long posts ppl with an IQ under 100 have a hard time trying to read it!

stakkels Zarffy

 

[zapzap]

Here we go again !
What is /As for ???

For sure there is no right answer for it sence we all play with diff goals.

I still think midgaard was stronger with the old big Nemesis alliance but it was hell to hear people argue about silly things.

Maybe what we need is a bit less alliances but alliance for guilds with same needs.

We are small very small alliance but just jenna can make it sound like old nemesis when she goes bananas, even have to turn of Gu when they begin with silly swedish none stop.

Ask for help in AS if u guild cant provide u with the help ( crafter ect)

But like Blejs in old days asking for a high lvl healer to come to malmo is something that could be done with 4 or 5 Pms.

I like people using AS like join this and that CG for emain, keep retake or some event, Ofc some hours less people on so would leave space for some chat.

As is different for all but if everybody is going to say hi when they log on or bye when they leave or whiiine when they get zerged in emain, then NO As is gonna hold if its big.

Imagine Pudz jenna thina Roo blejs whining same time 1 about buff bots, 1 about the dragon that still refuses to fly to emain, 1 about how lame albs are with 10fg campimg apk, 1 telling jokes in swedish and last yelling for a nerf on chanters :/

So [Every alliance I've been is has had pathetic gay stupid non-spammy rules and turns out alliance chat is never used.] serves some purpose.

Zapsi

PS our alliance is good place to roleplay for lesbians

 

[Qte Eth]

gotta agree with klav,our as fortehwin

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

zapzap i really said that? most been when i leveled blejsarus? cause i have no memory of that and i think i am 1 of the ppl using /who command most... i pm ppl as hell if i need a char for group,xp what ever... i have /as if anyone have a resser in malmo pls pm me. and imo that msg is oki isnt that spammy and its pretty helpfull to since its been probelly a big wipeout in malmo...

 

[knackor(MID)]

my sister is in nemesis and when i play her char(rarely) i see her alliance chat,they are all usually having a laugh and just having a chat,they even know people from other guilds(that are in the alliance) real names ffs
i wanna be in a alliance like that

 

[krill-nyd]

There are lots of reasons the OBA (one big alliance or old nemesis alliance) broke up. I don't want to go over old ground and I'm happy for lots of us to agree to disagree on it in priinciple. But while a OBA looks good in theory it doesn't necessarily work in practice.

It's like zapzap said, different alliances can work in different ways, that's why a number of alliances is a good, not bad thing. Pudz I find it strange when people can say how well we can work at bringing people out to defend and then say our alliance structure doesn't work. What would break a lot of things would be creating a situation when guilds who really don't want to work in a certain way are in an alliances together. When OBA broke up people were here on BW saying how terrible it would be. About a month or so later we got relics back. And I say all this as someone who worked long and hard to keep OBA together.

In theory having all people in one alliance would make communication easier. In practice, people want to communicate differently and it's better to build on that with different alliances.

Finally I remember the Louise discussion and I don't remember her being 'brought' to meetings or abused. There was a disagreement for sure, but I dont' think it worked as you presented it Pudzy, which doesn't mean I think it worked well or easily.

 

[frols]

Originally posted by old.Gromnir
Best midde alliance was the one between MÄ and MM

For sure


I Hate alliances where you cant type and get killed cause you say something on /as I play for fun and that involves chatting with people not to constantly waiting for RvR reports.


Faith alliance 4 teh win!

 

[-ElemenT-]

There are many people who take the /as thing too seriously yes... in the Havok alliance.. I think there's only chat when there's a relic raid or Blej saying stuff about the keeps

A more 'chatty' alliance would be nice yes, had it on Lancelot and was fun.

 

[oldtimer]

>I am amazed at the way some of the most experianced and skilled players in the game talk to other players. I remember being on a RR once where someone inexperianced had killed a patrol, when we should have been mezzing and running. The torrent of abuse the person recieved as a result was unacceptable, and many from folk who should have known better

Indeed, respect for other people seems to be a rare commodity among the hard core players in Midgard. Abusing "lesser" players in CG is a well known sport with a long distinct history. I guess the fact you get away with STFU, n00b, FFS etc. without negative effects on your own person is the reason. I doubt they dare talk like that to people in real life on the street as it could render them a bloody nose quite fast.

The use of /as is different in the realms alliances which is a good thing, it allows players with different motives to play Doac with likeminded. What is bad is when someone or a group of people tries to change the usage to their liking instead of moving on to the kind of group they fit into. It is those situations that can turn /as into something nasty.

So Midgard has a good situation with all kinds of attitude to /as, you just have to shop around a bit to find what you like.

 

[Damon_D]

Hehe if all there is on /as is 1 fg hib amgo ..why should I have it turned on if I'm not out RvR'ing ??? An /as where you could ask for groups , help with epic's and so forth would rock , and as for starters everybody should have /as..if they cant handle it..take it away.. To be honest if I'm out rvr'ing , I cba to send to another to get them to use /as..unless its a relic size force... TBH /as that I cant use makes me care less..sad but true.. I'm sure all the gm's and HC RvR peopel here..who I bet all have /as speak cant see that

 

[zapzap]

blejs it was when u where lvling u sb could probelly mention worse things said but I know u can handle it

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Originally posted by zapzap
blejs it was when u where lvling u sb could probelly mention worse things said but I know u can handle it

fu! now i am gonna dig my self a grave and go to sleep! ;(
you dont lub me, oki oki! If thats how it is! ((
>cries< buhuhuhuh.

but i still have no memory of it

 

[Skrad]

Originally posted by henryvee
I was spamming our AS about the eurovision song contest being amazing one night while rather drunk, and that just can't have been what my other alliance pals were wanting to read

I dunno... plenty of other people joined in and tbh it was a lot of fun No-one complained anyway

 

[dozigden]

Originally posted by pudzy
The thing that triggered me being so pissed at Mid alliances in general was when I was in HH and we joined the New Era alliance. Louise had been threatend, bought to meetings and abused because she did /as /kiss when she logged on in the evenings - I mean wtf?

Really you have no idea what was said do you? There was never any threatening. Louise was there as a representative of her guild, BoD at the time actually not HH i believe, so she wasnt "brought" to the meeting. If there are rules dont you think its a good idea that the people who made and agreed to them, follow them? Chances are in fact it was me ASKING that she not do it. There was certainly no "abusing", in fact your post here is far more abusive than anything ever said to Louise at any meeting, ever.

Originally posted by pudzy
if they are moaning 24/7 remove their as privilages,

Likewise you really dont know what was going on - yes we tried that. However only the guilds themselves can stop their members posting on as, and those guilds with, imo, the worst spammers, refused to admit there was a problem, get it?

Originally posted by pudzy
My overall message and point to the thread would be to everyone, relax and remember its a game, stop whining about spam and think more about how underpowered our realm is :x. Before I quit daoc I plan to have my own guild and alliance, I'll prolly be only one in it but atleast I'll not be bossed around, moaned and complained at.

I think you need to take your own advice. Relax. Who are you to tell us that we should have THIS and THAT on our /as when we dont want to hear it? Thats no different to us saying that you cant spam /as - but you know where there difference is? We dont say "no alliance should have spam on their /as" where as youre saying "all alliances should have whatever they like on their /as cos I say so".

You didnt like our /as, you have 2 options. 1. present a reasoned case whats wrong and howto fix it, at the same time acknowledging other peoples concerns and not just dismissing them as "whiners". Or 2, leave. Im relieved to see youve taken the second option as youre post above doesnt show much hope youre willing to even attempt to see the situation from someone elses point of view.

 

[oldtimer]

Seems Dozigen showed how the militaristic alliance approach works. <smile>