All scouts pls read! (thx ^^)

[evinacryonme]

Please post your specs, how good they work in RvR / PvE.
I am briton scout, 10 con / dex / qui at start, end spec 46 LB, 42 shield, 29 slash, 33 stealth, 3 pts left.
I have +11 lb / shield / slash / stealth items on me (atm lvl 47.9) with 45 specced lb. I find very high rate of misses on orange / reds / purps mobs, and very low dmg output of my bow, using the right type of arrows for the mob. I am using the best bow, 16.5 dps, 5.5 speed LB duskwood or something, 99 qual player made.
To hit a red mob on normal arrow ~200+ dmg is low. My crit caps (on gray mobs) ~948 dmg. On oranges my crit does from 300-500 dmg with same arrow types. But is not possible to miss crit and following 3 arrows till mobs gets in melee range, and miss the 2 more shoots after i slam the mob. I have aug dex / qui 2, dodger / mob 1. 199 dex (capped at my lvl) and 175 qui (capped also).
And i was with my friend Ilum the paladin to kill the princess.
After clearing the room, and pulling the princess, i found that i was hiting her with my bow for 6-7 dmg, all types of arrows, but in melee, with a mp jambyia, 16.5 dps, was hiting for 16-30 dmg......

 

[Cybwyn]

Briton Scout who was a total n00b when distributing the 30 bonus stat points you get at the start, so they don't matter.

Spec is (all with +14 from items and RR)

50 Longbow
42 Shield
34 Stealth
20 Thrust

Don't really PvE with scout now, I have a necro for that but in RvR I do ok(ish). Low melée spec means I have to kill people with my bow really but that's not too much of a problem. With yellow base and spec DEX buffs I get about 325 DEX, 240 QUI and 1850 Longbow weaponskill (I don't bother unbuffed any more). Damage cap on crit shot using a 5.5 speed HLB is 1047 (which I usually hit on casters and some assassins with poor resists). I see myself as a keep defence/attack scout really because it gives the opportunity to volley or crit standing targets from the battlements. I do ok with that spec in open field but if anything gets in melée range 20 thrust doesn't cut the mustard so I'm usually dead, buffs or no buffs.

 

[speshneeds]

same spec as cybwyn and dont do too bad, went from 35 thrust to 20 thrust last patch to achieve 50 lbow and am very glad i did. no real difference in the shit melee output of a scout, just lost a few styles. Thrust is far better at low melee spec imo.

in pve your miss rate on higher con mobs with bow will suck as bow shots have no "to hit" bonus.

nfi where the starting 10 points went but buffed i run with 376dex and 1986 weapskill with bow, dont miss too often in rvr

 

[Xeth]

I was almost same spec as Cybwyn and Spesh. 50LB, 42shield, 35stealth, 18thrust, but respec'd to 40LB, 42shield, 35stealth/thrust now. My critshot cap only went from 1070 to 1032, and with 35+15 thrust I've better chance to win in melee, than I had before respec.

 

[vindicat0r]

Your base weapon spec effect's your chance to land slam, so keep it high or else dont bother with 42 shield :x

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=56572409

Some tip's hint's etc:

45lb should be all you need tbh.

If your a Briton Go Slash.

Saracen with 50 Thrust for the WS would be a great way to go also btw

Also, SB's even thou nerfed with still be 1 of your biggest enemy's if not the biggest's. A briton scout with capped SC etc has 29% slash resist + 2 af shield buff's and you will take very very little damage from them.

Other than that have fun

 

[speshneeds]

personally i trust critshot.com forums over vn boards

oaklief (old scout TL) did some very extensive testing on weap spec and slam and it makes fook all difference. Several grab bags (i know they aint ultra reliable) have confirmed that sheild skill is "hidden" and works much the same as weap skill but is independant.

 

[vindicat0r]

Some link's for all to read and make there own opnion's would be nice btw rather than simply putting down another opnion.

Well The reason I believe the vgn thread is because I have experience my self with the dreaded Slam issue. My arms used o be full s/s then hybrid now Pole ^^. As a S/S arms I didnt notice missing much at all and I was 50/42 spec then, when I was hybrid < actually tried both types of hybrid, 44/44 and 50/39> and I again never really had much trouble slamming.

The thing is, Scout's have higher dex than any arms could hope to match, so we dont have the dex excuse, all I have over the scout is Base weapon spec and with that come's that all important Weaponskill.

So please do post that link so I can study it my self but dont just believe one side without studying the other and making your own desicision rather than some guy who made 5 test's and think's it 'seems' fine

 

[speshneeds]

cba to go digging but go www.critshot.com/forums and its there somewhere.

from my own experience i dont land slam any less now with 20 thrust than when i had 35.

 

[Roalith]

Originally posted by vindicat0r
Some link's for all to read and make there own opnion's would be nice btw rather than simply putting down another opnion.

If you claim to know anything about a scout, you must have read www.critshot.com at some point or other. Oaklief was possibly the single most respected TL around, levelled around 5 scouts to 50, all with different specs before his retirement. He knew his stuff.

And as far as the slam argument goes - it's on a grab bag. Shield styles and block rate are entirely independent of base weaponskill - a 'hidden' weaponskill in effect, based on dex and shield spec.

As for my own spec:
Saracen with 10 dex/qui/con base, caps out at around 386 dex with full level 50 buffs.

50 Longbow
42 Shield
36 Stealth
16 Slash

I never have a problem with slamming.

Edit: Nfi where my base points went, I seem to be capped at 372 dex. 1973 weaponskill though.

 

[ilum]

Anoyne tried 50 shield spec, sod melee, and use brutalize to attack with?

Also a thread on that on critshot.

 

[salazzarson]

Salazzar is my main he is a RR6 Saracen scout

I would strongly recommend 50 longbow as rapid fire and penetrating arrow are important - Melee scouts just dont work, if you want to melee dont be a scout. our role is t kill from distance and in secret if possible.

that is my two pennies worth

Cheers
Salazzar

 

[Petronella]

ahhh Cybwyn..... thats a Briton that hurts *remember Bledmeer*

 

[chretien]

Not a scout so won't comment on scouty stuff however I have 29 slash and rarely miss a slam so I doubt very much that my base weaponskill has much to do with shield hit rolls.

 

[-foadon-]

speaking in name of warrior:
chance to slam someone is affected by shield spec and dex stat, but if your target has higher ws then you you will find it harder to slam and block

 

[Blood]

45 bow
33 stealth
39 spear
34 beastcraft

scouts are 2trick gimps, shoot n block, delete and make a hunter instead

 

[sru]

Originally posted by Roalith

As for my own spec:
Saracen with 10 dex/qui/con base, caps out at around 386 dex with full level 50 buffs.

50 Longbow
42 Shield
36 Stealth
16 Slash

I never have a problem with slamming.

Edit: Nfi where my base points went, I seem to be capped at 372 dex. 1973 weaponskill though.

Yup - exactly same spec for Ose and, after respeccing Thrust down to 16, slam lands no more/less than ever.

 

[evinacryonme]

I'm so happy to see there is interest in scout comunity! /cheers
I dinged lvl 49 last night with my scout. Got my mp armour set and will SC it with Roga template (well will grab most of it ^^).
And i did some shoots in RvR. Crited a rr4 bard for 701 dmg (-235) used wrong type of arrows . 1 Shoot a 50 rr3 mana chanter for 939 dmg (-229). Got a runing stealther down to 1/2 hp in 2 arrows (couldnt crit on runing target). And that with 45+11 LB, duskwood HL, enchanted.
But what i liked most is my amasing defence ^^ /flex.
Without any buffs, with 204 dex / 177 qui, mob 1, dodger 1, i engaged a sb after he PAed me, and.... he stoped hiting me (evade / block everything)
And another very good thing i wubed so much :>
Having only 30+10 stealth atm (camo was down) was roaming near apk tuesday morning, and Sreck or something (savager 2h hammer) spotted me when i runed through him. He attacked me, i BLOCKED FROM STEALTH AND REMAINED STEALTHED /flex. Then i tryed to slamm him , he evaded, i evaded his hit, next hit he hited, evaded my slam, i blocked his hit, he evaded again, i blocked again, then slam landed. FG mids comed in 4 secs from sb forest when he started to /yell, and mezzed / stuned / killed me.
But well... if fotm cant kill a lvl 49 solo unbuffed scout and calls for his FG to finish the job... guess he must be really pissed off ^^
I do love my scout, more than my minstrel (which is retired and naked ^^).

 

[vestax]

Hi Evina!!!!

Bigade sends his love

 

[Aoln]

Originally posted by evinacryonme
I'm so happy to see there is interest in scout comunity! /cheers
I dinged lvl 49 last night with my scout. Got my mp armour set and will SC it with Roga template (well will grab most of it ^^).
And i did some shoots in RvR. Crited a rr4 bard for 701 dmg (-235) used wrong type of arrows . 1 Shoot a 50 rr3 mana chanter for 939 dmg (-229). Got a runing stealther down to 1/2 hp in 2 arrows (couldnt crit on runing target). And that with 45+11 LB, duskwood HL, enchanted.
But what i liked most is my amasing defence ^^ /flex.
Without any buffs, with 204 dex / 177 qui, mob 1, dodger 1, i engaged a sb after he PAed me, and.... he stoped hiting me (evade / block everything)
And another very good thing i wubed so much :>
Having only 30+10 stealth atm (camo was down) was roaming near apk tuesday morning, and Sreck or something (savager 2h hammer) spotted me when i runed through him. He attacked me, i BLOCKED FROM STEALTH AND REMAINED STEALTHED /flex. Then i tryed to slamm him , he evaded, i evaded his hit, next hit he hited, evaded my slam, i blocked his hit, he evaded again, i blocked again, then slam landed. FG mids comed in 4 secs from sb forest when he started to /yell, and mezzed / stuned / killed me.
But well... if fotm cant kill a lvl 49 solo unbuffed scout and calls for his FG to finish the job... guess he must be really pissed off ^^
I do love my scout, more than my minstrel (which is retired and naked ^^).

i feel the RAs question coming on next

 

[ilum]

Just a little note on spellcrafting scouts:

Here's what I did, and I think it makes most sense.

On your sword and shield, put strength, slash/thrust, shield and stealth. Those are skills you only need when wielding them (and the only 4 ones as well I tihnk).

On longbow put +7 or +8 longbow. Nothing else really - unless its the only way to cap it with your template.

 

[speshneeds]

Fishi's SC - (lbow capped with bow out)

Config Report

Stats:
Str: 77 Int: 0 Hits: 197
Con: 74 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 75 Cha: 0
Qui: 75 Emp: 0

Resists:
Body: 25 Energy: 26 Crush: 25
Cold: 27 Matter: 26 Thrust: 28
Heat: 23 Spirit: 23 Slash: 25

Skills:
11 Thrust 11 Stealth
12 Shield 6 Longbow



Focus:



Chest:
Name: Vest of Vile Dominion
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: 100 Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 18 Constitution
Effect 2: 18 Dexterity
Effect 3: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 10 Cold Resist
Utility: 64

Arms:
Imbue Points: 37 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 52 Hits - 99% faceted Blood Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 9 Slash Resist - 99% polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 9 Crush Resist - 99% polished Firey Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 19 Constitution - 99% faceted Earthen Essence Jewel
Utility: 61.6666679382324

Head:
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 28 Strength - 99% perfect Firey Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 10 Constitution - 99% flawed Earthen Essence Jewel
Gem 3: 25 Quickness - 99% flawless Airy Essence Jewel
Gem 4: 19 Dexterity - 99% faceted Vapor Essence Jewel
Utility: 54.6666679382324

Legs:
Imbue Points: 37 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 60 Hits - 99% precious Blood Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 7 Energy Resist - 99% imperfect Light Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 9 Matter Resist - 99% polished Earthen Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 22 Strength - 99% precious Firey Essence Jewel
Utility: 61.6666679382324

Hands:
Imbue Points: 37 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 2 Thrust - 99% uncut Dusty War Sigil
Gem 2: 13 Dexterity - 99% imperfect Vapor Essence Jewel
Gem 3: 7 Matter Resist - 99% imperfect Earthen Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 13 Spirit Resist - 99% precious Vapor Shielding Jewel
Utility: 58.6666641235352

Feet:
Imbue Points: 27.5 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: 28 Quickness - 99% perfect Airy Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 7 Cold Resist - 99% imperfect Icy Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 3 Matter Resist - 99% rough Earthen Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 1 Stealth - 99% raw Airy Battle Jewel
Utility: 43.6666641235352

Right Hand:
Name: Bane
Level: 51 Quality: 0
DPS: 0 Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 6 Thrust
Effect 2: 15 Constitution
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 40 Hits
Utility: 60

Left Hand:
Name: Cobalt small
Level: 0 Quality: 0
DPS: 0 Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 6 Shield
Effect 2: 3 Stealth
Effect 3: 15 Strength
Effect 4: 6 Crush Resist
Utility: 67

Two Handed:
Imbue Points: 0 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0

Ranged:
Name: Legend Slayer bow
Level: 0 Quality: 0
DPS: 0 Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 6 Longbow
Effect 2: 3 Stealth
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 15 Quickness
Utility: 65

Neck:
Name: Ancient Copper Necklace
Level: 50 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 10 Spirit Resist
Effect 2: 10 Body Resist
Effect 3: 10 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 10 Thrust Resist
Utility: 80

Cloak:
Name: Fforiwr-Golwg Cloak
Level: 0 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 6 Energy Resist
Effect 2: 15 Hits
Effect 3: 3 Shield
Effect 4: 3 Longbow
Utility: 45.75

Jewel:
Name: Gem of Spirit Abhorrent
Level: 0 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 7 Body Resist
Effect 2: 7 Matter Resist
Effect 3: 7 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 7 Energy Resist
Utility: 56

Belt:
Name: Ogres Might Scout belt
Level: 51 Quality: 5
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 10 Dexterity
Effect 2: 3 Longbow
Effect 3: 8 Slash Resist
Effect 4: 8 Thrust Resist
Utility: 53.6666641235352

Right Ring:
Name: Infernal Black Diamond Ring
Level: 0 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 12 Strength
Effect 2: 12 Constitution
Effect 3: 10 Cold Resist
Effect 4: Empty
Utility: 36

Left Ring:
Name: Speedy Wrap unique
Level: 0 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 3 Shield
Effect 2: 3 Stealth
Effect 3: 3 Thrust
Effect 4: 18 Quickness
Utility: 57

Right Wrist:
Name: Bracer of the Stealthy
Level: 0 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 4 Quickness
Effect 2: 4 Stealth
Effect 3: 10 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 8 Body Resist
Utility: 58.6666641235352

Left Wrist:
Name: Bracer of Health
Level: 0 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 30 Hits
Effect 2: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 6 Energy Resist
Effect 4: 8 Slash Resist
Utility: 47.5

 

[dokujin]

Briton, RR4L8. Starting points: 6 str., 4 con,. 10 dex,. 10 qui.

Original spec:
46 Longbow, 33 Stealth, 29 Slash, 42 Shield (The Classic)

- Respecced out of it for these reasons;
1) I was drunk and bored,
2) I was bored and drunk,
3) Most of the Scouts spec that way, and I wanted something different,
4) I was bored of the Specc
5) and more coming further down..

The new specc I changed to was totally rediculous (mostly due to point 1) and 2)), so I won't mention it. I respecced again, to my

Current spec, wich is:
44 Longbow, 30 Stealth, 22 Slash, 50 Shield

1) Why 44 bow? No point getting 45 for penetrating bollocks, cause its, frankly, bollocks. And you won't notice the difference between 44 and 46, the cap dmg varies by 5 or so. Good. More points for Shield and defense.
2) 22 Slash.. sure amethyst is a nice style, but hello?! Take a look at Scout melee weaponskill and laugh. You won't probably notice much difference between 29 and 50.. or 22 and 29 Slash. I never style in melee anyway, cause I get parried/evaded/blocked 90%~~, and slash styles eat endurance wich you're gonna use for slamming/shooting (or brutalizing). Besides, enrage/riposte works well and nice for me. More points for Shield and defense.
3) 30 Stealth. Thats all I could afford with 50 Shield, simple as that. I'm doing quite fine with 30+14 stealth though.
4) 50 Shield. Why?! Gimp! Maybe. I do block alot tho. ALOT. Add mastery of blocking 3 and a few rows of red buffs, hello 2h-sb's. I can last forever that way. Blocking most of everything while tickling to death with my sword. And nice guardbot too.

Currently, I'm doing better with my new specc than the original one. Allthough I haven't playtested it for too much.. only about 50k rps.. I like it tho. Might change my mind.

Current realm abilities:
Aug Con I
Aug Dex II
Aug Qui II
Thoughness I/II
Longwind I
Tireless I
Mastery of Archery I
Falcon's Eye I
Dodger II
Mastery of Blocking III
True Sight
Mastery of Pain

(I think).

Next, going for higher Mastery of Archery II.

PvE: Don't bother .. Scouts aren't made for PvE'ing .. at all. I always hit for rediculous dmg on mobs. Critshot on orange shredders are like 4-500 max..
In PvE I've done 900+ hits on many people wich I know for fact have good items and buffs. (Buffbotted myself though).

 

[Cybwyn]

Originally posted by dokujin
1) Why 44 bow? No point getting 45 for penetrating bollocks, cause its, frankly, bollocks.

Penetrating Arrow I at 30 LB, PA II at 40 LB, PA III at 50LB

Rapid Fire I at 35LB, RF II at 45 LB

Quite frankly, Rapid Fire II is most definitely not bollocks and Penetrating Arrow III is also, most definitely not bollocks.

 

[dokujin]

Originally posted by Cybwyn
Penetrating Arrow I at 30 LB, PA II at 40 LB, PA III at 50LB

Rapid Fire I at 35LB, RF II at 45 LB

Quite frankly, Rapid Fire II is most definitely not bollocks and Penetrating Arrow III is also, most definitely not bollocks.

Argh. Doh. Gah.

 

[Aoln]

Originally posted by dokujin
Argh. Doh. Gah.

/point
/laugh

 

[evinacryonme]

For solo scout, without BB, u agree that passives are more important than IP / TS?
I was thinking to get Purge (which is a must for all chars in RvR), then build up all passives. mob, dodger, FE, MoA, tireless, long wind, aom and such. Pls input, thx in advance.
Atm i have at R2L4: aug dex / qui 2, mob 1, dodger 1, tireless 1, long wind 1, FE1. 1 pt left, waiting to get mob 2, then FE2.

 

[Cybwyn]

If you're going to solo a lot without a bot then IP would be a good RA to have. I'd err on the side of caution with Truesight though; I used to have it myself and found that a lot of times it'd just get me into trouble or be wasted. Either I couldn't get a crit shot on the assassin, my shots would be evaded and he'd get into melée range or my first shot would hit and the assassin would sprint out of range. Having said that, it also earned me quite a few easy RPs.

As I said before, I take part in a lot of keep sieges so the RAs I've got so far (at RR4L1) are...

Longshot
Volley
Aug Dex 2
Falcon's Eye 2
First Aid 2

I'm now saving for IP.

 

[dokujin]

Originally posted by Cybwyn


Longshot
Volley
Aug Dex 2
Falcon's Eye 2
First Aid 2

I'm now saving for IP.

lol

 

[Cybwyn]

Originally posted by dokujin
lol

Problem?

 

[dokujin]

Amused by your choise of ra's.