all albs stop whinning about savages

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nuky said:
Albion has a good cleric class. the best CC in the game (no arguement) with the best mez in the game (bolt range, on a base caster race). they got the best defence (9% abs on their equivilant tanks, spec af blah blah). they got one of the best casters in the game (theurg). their 'light tank' is only surpassed by one other in the game (savage). they undoubltablely have the best stealth in the game. the only thing they are lacking is disease in a group, and well they can drop their perma interuping, un-CC'able pets and take that if they want. albion doesnt seem to be 'lacking' in anything.

Hibernia has a good druid class (grey con pets, hold speed, perma interupt). heals and pets comin out their ass. casted aoe disease on eldritch. the best casters in the game, without a doubt. second best stealth classes in the game. (u know the rest)

these wee paragraph's summing everything up in a few words work for every realm i am afraid. saying mid has the best tanks, when zerkers (talking norse / dorf here) are out damaged by infils, and thanes well, being thanes, is just stupid. yes, they have good casters, pity the other realms are better. mid support is the only good thing its got goin for em, and even then hib support is pretty much just as good

but of course everyone has a savage :eek7:

(i'm drunk, and its my party so i'll cry if i want to)

Sorc bolt range mezz may be best cc ingame but what does it have to back it up?you do not get aoe root often in an alb group(i mean discluding the sorc's one).

Mid may not have as good cc but they got disease which is like free pf, lowers heals and lowers damage by about 20-30%, theurg is a great caster yes but it has to be due to alb's lack of cc if you do not include bolt range mezz.But then again so are spiritmasters and runemasters, my zerk is better than my merc, maybe because he's troll and overcapped str i do not know but stealther wise mids are hurt pretty bad compared to alb and hib.

I think all 3 realms casters are pretty even now, mids tanks are still the best but not if you do not include savage they on equal terms with albs/hibs, best stealthers is alb for sure.
 

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Sycho said:
mids tanks are still the best but not if you do not include savage they on equal terms with albs/hibs
I have yet to get hit for 700+ with a two-hander by a Warrior while Armsmen and Heros do that every other day to me.

Concerning the light tanks, it feels like Mercs hit me harder than Berzerks but thats just a feeling... no numbers to backup this. Blademasters seem to be about equal to Berzerkers.

Savages however have NO equivalent in the other realms and this is the main reason for all the whines. But remember... Albion got the Necros (getting lifetapped for 350-400 and the ocassional 500ish crit is not funny) and Hibernia the Animists.
Yes, they dont get determination but from a healers point of view there is nothing worse than mezzing a Necro wich has purge. Your tanks think he's cold out and ignore him while he drains you to death within a few seconds.
Same goes for Animists. A shroom farm makes a fg vs fg fight very uneven.

You hear alot of whines about Necros too, simply because they are unique to Albion. The grass is always greener on the other side... Savages have been pretty much fixed now imho.
 

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Jeriraa said:
Savages however have NO equivalent in the other realms and this is the main reason for all the whines. But remember... Albion got the Necros (getting lifetapped for 350-400 and the ocassional 500ish crit is not funny) and Hibernia the Animists.
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Jeriraa said:
I have yet to get hit for 700+ with a two-hander by a Warrior while Armsmen and Heros do that every other day to me.

Concerning the light tanks, it feels like Mercs hit me harder than Berzerks but thats just a feeling... no numbers to backup this. Blademasters seem to be about equal to Berzerkers.

Savages however have NO equivalent in the other realms and this is the main reason for all the whines. But remember... Albion got the Necros (getting lifetapped for 350-400 and the ocassional 500ish crit is not funny) and Hibernia the Animists.
Yes, they dont get determination but from a healers point of view there is nothing worse than mezzing a Necro wich has purge. Your tanks think he's cold out and ignore him while he drains you to death within a few seconds.
Same goes for Animists. A shroom farm makes a fg vs fg fight very uneven.

You hear alot of whines about Necros too, simply because they are unique to Albion. The grass is always greener on the other side... Savages have been pretty much fixed now imho.

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Jeriraa said:
I have yet to get hit for 700+ with a two-hander by a Warrior while Armsmen and Heros do that every other day to me.



Savages however have NO equivalent in the other realms and this is the main reason for all the whines. But remember... Albion got the Necros (getting lifetapped for 350-400 and the ocassional 500ish crit is not funny) and Hibernia the Animists.
Yes, they dont get determination but from a healers point of view there is nothing worse than mezzing a Necro wich has purge. Your tanks think he's cold out and ignore him while he drains you to death within a few seconds.
Same goes for Animists. A shroom farm makes a fg vs fg fight very uneven.
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Jeriraa said:
I have yet to get hit for 700+ with a two-hander by a Warrior while Armsmen and Heros do that every other day to me.

Concerning the light tanks, it feels like Mercs hit me harder than Berzerks but thats just a feeling... no numbers to backup this. Blademasters seem to be about equal to Berzerkers.

Savages however have NO equivalent in the other realms and this is the main reason for all the whines. But remember... Albion got the Necros (getting lifetapped for 350-400 and the ocassional 500ish crit is not funny) and Hibernia the Animists.
Yes, they dont get determination but from a healers point of view there is nothing worse than mezzing a Necro wich has purge. Your tanks think he's cold out and ignore him while he drains you to death within a few seconds.
Same goes for Animists. A shroom farm makes a fg vs fg fight very uneven.

You hear alot of whines about Necros too, simply because they are unique to Albion. The grass is always greener on the other side... Savages have been pretty much fixed now imho.



Well played, you are comparing savages (Tanks) to necros and animists who are casters, for the most part, ive yet to see a merc/BM actually regulary out damage a savage due to savages tripling and quadding and hitting for a massive amount of damage, also they have det whereas the new tanks in the other realms do not.

How often do you see a necro or an animist in an opted group?
Secondly how the hell can you compare necros/animists to savages? They are on completely different playing grounds, necros currently are so bugged in RvR most of them dont pass rr3 and animists are really only used for PvE.

Hopefully in the frontiers savages will be dumbed down to the point where most will probably do the obvious thing and abandon ship and go play some other class. :rolleyes:

You've been on top for far too long, hope you sink with the rest. :rolleyes:
 

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Jeriraa said:
I have yet to get hit for 700+ with a two-hander by a Warrior while Armsmen and Heros do that every other day to me.

Concerning the light tanks, it feels like Mercs hit me harder than Berzerks but thats just a feeling... no numbers to backup this. Blademasters seem to be about equal to Berzerkers.

Savages however have NO equivalent in the other realms and this is the main reason for all the whines. But remember... Albion got the Necros (getting lifetapped for 350-400 and the ocassional 500ish crit is not funny) and Hibernia the Animists.
Yes, they dont get determination but from a healers point of view there is nothing worse than mezzing a Necro wich has purge. Your tanks think he's cold out and ignore him while he drains you to death within a few seconds.
Same goes for Animists. A shroom farm makes a fg vs fg fight very uneven.

You hear alot of whines about Necros too, simply because they are unique to Albion. The grass is always greener on the other side... Savages have been pretty much fixed now imho.

Necro's purge only effects the necro.. not the pet.

Savages arent fixed.

Aren't shrooms mezzable?

Mercs hit harder than zerkers, thats just a FEELING lolol xD


Oh dear mother of god you should be shot tbh.

Here jriririririririraaaaaaaaa look at the fixed class imo

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=11530
 

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Pudzy said:
Necro's purge only effects the necro.. not the pet.

Savages arent fixed.

Aren't shrooms mezzable?

Mercs hit harder than zerkers, thats just a FEELING lolol xD


Oh dear mother of god you should be shot tbh.

Here jriririririririraaaaaaaaa look at the fixed class imo

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=11530


In 1.69 Necros and Animists get cure mezz for their pets (as do bonedancers) the necro one is a 15 second cast time so they will be similar to det tank for mezz duration
 

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Frontiers is here to rebalance realm abilities. One of the reasons behind this is to let all classes be viable in RvR. Hence, determination classes will hopefully take a downfall. To all the Savages that are crying "omg we're being nerfed". Cry more. You are supposed to be nerfed. To allow more diversity in RvR. Alterations are needed. But because certain alterations will happen, you automatically think you'll be left useless in RvR?

Albion loses BOF and SOS advantage. Hib loses Group Purge. And atm, you're left without charge on Savages...Let's just see where this ends and take it from there.
 

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old.windforce said:
Dunno why this debate keeps coming up .... thought all knew by now .. midgard has the damage albs and hibs have the RA's. CC is pretty pointless vs gp and sos, If you manage to win CC will give u the 3 second jump to drop 1 target ....... savages cant do much vs bof .. or 3 hi der pbaoers all qcasting or mocing at the same time with 600 pets zerging the healers. If played right Alb and Hib are as good if not better overall then midgard equal rr vs equal rr imo, but then i cant comment on alb, ill only comment on realms I've played. Shame others dont use this thoery.

I do agree though if they are balancing the RA system soon in usa ... they really do need to balance the damage output also, else mid will be overpowered alot, like mainy noobs say we are already.

As things stand atm .. midgards NEED to have the highest damage dealing tank, if not can delete the realm.
 

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and as for what bloody said, was just a mistake on the chart imo .... ofc savage get light tank ra's if not the class is dead ... i think mythic has learnt by the mistake they made with zerkers and sb's tbh to do that again.
 

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I have yet to get hit for 700+ with a two-hander by a Warrior while Armsmen and Heros do that every other day to me.

My lvl 50 zerk Dorf got hit in DF for 746 by a infil weilding a 2-hander. Just wondering how many pure tank classes from other realms can match this damage? Not many I would wager and this was a bloody inf ffs :eek7:
 

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Baduska said:
warrior tl just said that savages weren't gonna be classified as light tanks, so no pf or charge. so stop teh whine savages are dead in steps the zerker
stop the whines about the whines? Whiners that Whine about Whiners are as bad as whiners imo but who cares i dont whine as often as most peeps :)
 

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Blondy said:
stop the whines about the whines? Whiners that Whine about Whiners are as bad as whiners imo but who cares i dont whine as often as most peeps :)

You say whiners that whine about other whiners is just as bad as whiners by whining at a whiner who is whining on a whiner?
 

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Gibberish said:
My lvl 50 zerk Dorf got hit in DF for 746 by a infil weilding a 2-hander. Just wondering how many pure tank classes from other realms can match this damage? Not many I would wager and this was a bloody inf ffs :eek7:
Inf wielding 2-hander..... hmmm, you sure. AFAIK only Alb classes that can use 2 handed weapons are Armsman and Pally.
 

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nuky said:
Albion has a good cleric class.
Well, Albion has the worst healer class imo, I would change the whole smite line (with specs) for the base line of pac.
 

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Maleg said:
Inf wielding 2-hander..... hmmm, you sure. AFAIK only Alb classes that can use 2 handed weapons are Armsman and Pally.


you are most correct....sure that infil wasn't wielding a 1 handed harpoon or the like?
 

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Gibberish said:
My lvl 50 zerk Dorf got hit in DF for 746 by a infil weilding a 2-hander. Just wondering how many pure tank classes from other realms can match this damage? Not many I would wager and this was a bloody inf ffs :eek7:
Hmm mate you discovered new breed - 2 handed infiltrator. Obviously it needs a severe nerf.
 

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Gibberish said:
My lvl 50 zerk Dorf got hit in DF for 746 by a infil weilding a 2-hander. Just wondering how many pure tank classes from other realms can match this damage? Not many I would wager and this was a bloody inf ffs :eek7:

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Gibberish said:
My lvl 50 zerk Dorf got hit in DF for 746 by a infil weilding a 2-hander. Just wondering how many pure tank classes from other realms can match this damage? Not many I would wager and this was a bloody inf ffs :eek7:
I got hit for 1635 damage from a pbaoeing savage :(
 

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Gibberish said:
My lvl 50 zerk Dorf got hit in DF for 746 by a infil weilding a 2-hander. Just wondering how many pure tank classes from other realms can match this damage? Not many I would wager and this was a bloody inf ffs :eek7:

1. Infil cant wield 2h weapons
2. Only in mid all classes can choose to use 2h weapons.
3. PA is the most damaging style in the game if you know didnt know that. Of course no other chars should be near the damage of that in a style. (Even though savages prolly outdmg that)
 

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Maleg said:
Inf wielding 2-hander..... hmmm, you sure. AFAIK only Alb classes that can use 2 handed weapons are Armsman and Pally.

Maybe it was that spear artifact... kinda looks like your getting hammered with a 2-handed
 

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People tend to forget, only reason mercs seem to of hit harder than zerks/bms on this server is str relics, check our damage lately and it's the same as their's was.

Snoz if mid need the highest damage dealing tank then how comes a hib tank group can beat an alb one then if played good?Oo yet the backbone of a mid group is stronger than hib's most times.Yet both realms can have 4 damage dealers and not give up too much whereas albs would.

These warriors that can't hit over 700+ must be using baguettes or something :p (bet they can with str relics)
 

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Sycho said:
Sorc bolt range mezz may be best cc ingame but what does it have to back it up?you do not get aoe root often in an alb group(i mean discluding the sorc's one).

Sycho; stop complaining about AE-root. Albion has 3 classes with AE-root; where atleast 2 are common specs (ice-theurg, body-sorc). The body-sorc one is as reliable as a druid AE-root in terms of resists. Sure druid gets it insta;thats a difference. But CC is the most common thing in Albion tbh.
 

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Puppet said:
Sycho; stop complaining about AE-root. Albion has 3 classes with AE-root; where atleast 2 are common specs (ice-theurg, body-sorc). The body-sorc one is as reliable as a druid AE-root in terms of resists. Sure druid gets it insta;thats a difference. But CC is the most common thing in Albion tbh.

Yeah but not often you find a theurg these days that's what i was saying :p
 

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Put strong mez ability in cleric smite line instead. ofc with bolt range.

voila chain mezzer and sorc destroyed :eek:
 

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