Albs grps have become a laughing stock...

[censi]

I remeber when I first started this game, you had some good Albion RVR groups that used to hold their own in Emain.......

Nowadays all I ever see Albion doing is running back to their TK or zergging in massive numbers???
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Hibernian grps will freely charge 2 FG of albion knowing they will probably win.... (usually with minimal or no casualties) There is no hesitation we will charge in and fight to a tried and tested strategy....

Its time you guys restored some pride to your realm and remove the "Cannon Fodder" tag thats now become assosciated with your RVR endevours...

Regroup... Its not your classes to blame, its your tactics (or lack of them)
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(fun thread only)

 

[Khalen]

Once it starts everyone does it.. don't accuse albs you do the same and don't say you don't because I know you do...

 

[old.Ailelun]

Censi, Albs are forced to zerg 80% of the time. camping amg happens alot, and for albs to pass through there they need to gather a force, a 'zerg' to get into emain. You expect them to run though at 2 + fgs with a better chancew of winning (due to the wall). There not all completley stupid, so keep your little luri mouth closed pls, all you do is whine, it gets tiring

 

[yadleen]

I knew this post would cause a few sparks.....




I quote Censi: "(fun thread only)"

 

[lofff]

I found my albzergling side on prydwen.

or... well... mb its just prydwen... we were 100+albs defending cruachon here: http://lofff.galeon.com/prydzerg.jpg <--- And we lost it.

 

[karlophin]

Albs zerge which lead to hibs zerge to regain control which leads to mid zerge to farm rp's etc which lead to me going to odins to have some 1fgv1fg fights... oh guess what... albs now zerge that too. So hibs come along and rezerge....

God this is getting boring, gone are the days when emain was fun. If RvR was spread over a wider area and people patrolled mid and alb instead of insisting on using emain as the "only" battle ground in the whole game.

Im sure we can rid the game of its tiresome repetativness and have fun elsewhere once in a while without zerges.

This isn't a post aimed at any realm, rather its aimed at all realms. Lets use the large frontiers too there full potential and not burn images of the hib amg into our monitors.

 

[Aussie-]

Censi is such an 0wn0r.
ph333333r !!!!!!!!!!! T_T

 

[thebinarysurfer]

Originally posted by karlophin
Albs zerge which lead to hibs zerge to regain control which leads to mid zerge to farm rp's etc which lead to me going to odins to have some 1fgv1fg fights... oh guess what... albs now zerge that too. So hibs come along and rezerge....

God this is getting boring, gone are the days when emain was fun. If RvR was spread over a wider area and people patrolled mid and alb instead of insisting on using emain as the "only" battle ground in the whole game.

Im sure we can rid the game of its tiresome repetativness and have fun elsewhere once in a while without zerges.

This isn't a post aimed at any realm, rather its aimed at all realms. Lets use the large frontiers too there full potential and not burn images of the hib amg into our monitors.

You'd like that karl, i'd like that - half of the people in the game who rvr would like that - but it'll never happen :/

 

[gunner440]

what censi actually means:

damn u albs dont charge amg with 2fg and give us free rps, now with ur zerg it is impossible to farm u and its not fair!

true? ^^

 

[karlophin]

Originally posted by Gunnerr
damn u albs dont charge amg with 2fg and give us free rps, now with ur zerg it is impossible to farm u and its not fair!

Disagree there mate, what censi is trying to say is that the scores aren't even anymore. Its the same with all realms though.. some players seem to think that unless its a guaranteed win, over in 2 seconds its not worth attacking.

Its the fights your not sure of that make for fun, then it comes down to tactics, a well balanced group and ability to work as a team.

The only guys ive really seen do this from alb lately are First Cohort, so hats off too you guys.

 

[<Harle>]

Well, actually no realm is zerging at all, it's just a matter of bad coincidences. Lets look at the different realms:

Hibs usually leave Ligen in full groups. Those groups then go to roam emain independently, but they usually have a chatgroup going to keep in touch. As soon as a single grey con invader is spotted and reported in that chatgroup you will see 4 groups of hibs converging on that position, trying to be the first to get the RPs -> looks like a zerg

Mids have a fan-problem: There's normally 2 groups of NP trying to move around emain being efficient killers. Unfortunately all mids seem to admire the NP-groups and you have 3-4 groups of tagalongs following them closely behind, afraid of going their own ways or of missing another fantestic presantio of NPs efficient killing.

Albs learn from mistakes: when Archer-classes were still common ( pre see hidden) you couldn't spit on the way between amg and atk without hitting a Ranger or Hunter - nowadays it's more SBs and NSs you hit, so the normal alb can't even leave his tele-keep alone... well, actually he can't even leave in a single group, since you usually have about 10 hibs or mids camping the TK.
After having defeated the TK-campers their next challenge is getting past amg, which is just as often 'camped' ( actually most of the time the roaming hib-groups just stand there, discussing where to go next), so to overcome this camping they gotto group up again -> Zerg

Conclusion: we are all doomed to Zerg

( fun thread only)

 

[Falcor]

Theres one way u can stop zergs......




Put a few tons of TNT under the mile gates and blow em to hell, cant craft TNT tho yet =/...patch 2.51 i think

Get rid of the bottleneck points and groups will be able to get through and roam, till then zergs will continue, theres nothing more fun that taking on a group of hibs in gorge , but unfortuantly it jsut dont happen to often =/

Also wther u mean this thread as a joke thread or not, think posting it is in bad taste.....albs r getting hammered at atk/amg by mids then hib then mids zergs constantly in emain...and odins....well odins hurts myeyes =/ its too white

 

[old.Mirandalia]

Albs zerge which lead to hibs zerge to regain control which leads to mid zerge to farm rp's etc which lead to me going to odins to have some 1fgv1fg fights... oh guess what... albs now zerge that too. So hibs come along and rezerge....

God this is getting boring, gone are the days when emain was fun. If RvR was spread over a wider area and people patrolled mid and alb instead of insisting on using emain as the "only" battle ground in the whole game.

Im sure we can rid the game of its tiresome repetativness and have fun elsewhere once in a while without zerges.

This isn't a post aimed at any realm, rather its aimed at all realms. Lets use the large frontiers too there full potential and not burn images of the hib amg into our monitors.


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Karlophin Zenial LvL50 Blademaster

I hate RvR at the moment.. yes.. really reallly really really really really really really really really really hate it..
I won't touch it with a pole..
I hate zergs..

Luckily mythic is wiping the alb and mid frontiers of hostile mobs and too much vegetation to make them more suitable for fightings...
I just wish they'd drop tons of l 60 aggro mobs all over emain for a week or so, forcing everyone to the other frontiers (yeah yeah, so what, the mobs would defend our keeps and relics, can wish can't I?)

Spreading all the people out over the 3 realms would be the solution... hopefully needed..

I can but pray it'll happen, in meanwhile I'm dreaming of PvP server and smaller battles..

 

[old.Wildfire]

The problem I find with alb pickup groups is that people seem to forget all the rules about group composition that they should have learned over the past 40-50 levels. SO many times I've been invited to a group which proceeds to run off with a couple of tanks, someone with caster speed and no cleric, and (surprisingly enough) gets owned at AMG, or sooner.

Patience is a virtue rarely found in this realm, unfortunately.

 

[Treniel-]

albs zerg cus A) we have inferior classes and B) u always camping the dam mille gate mids will zerg just the same if albs/mids camp mmg..and u all know it

 

[Sabu]

Maybe with minstrels area mezz things will change. Almost all the alb groups will have area mezz,so will be more balanced.

 

[old.Xanthian]

I dont understand Albs..

I mean, correct me if im wrong but isnt E-Main Hib land ?
and we should do anything to defend it ? even if it means 10fg sat at AMG ?

I dont mind Alb zerg as long as they do something constructive, like taking keeps.. but 5FG+ running around stuck to 1 guy is just bollocks.
Its plain lame and ruins the fun for everyone.

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
<snip>

I dont mind Alb zerg as long as they do something constructive, like taking keeps.. but 5FG+ running around stuck to 1 guy is just bollocks.
Its plain lame and ruins the fun for everyone.

Or 5FG alb.s stuck to mmg for hours (seen a couple of evenings in a row )

Seen alot of albions whining that Midgard/Hibernia camps amg. - but they seem are no better (or worse?) themself.

But there is no point in whining about zergs and mg-camping - it seems to be the way people want to play - if nothing else, all 3 realms do it to counter the other 2 realms.

 

[Ensceptifica]

I should macro this reply...

All realms zerg. Only difference is that coz RvR is usually in Emain, Hibs leave for Emain as single groups. The telekeeps however function as a buffer for the Mids and Albs, so they enter Emain as armies of 3-5fg.

An occasional fg of mids or albs (like NP and FC) will leave their zerg and head to places like Breifine or Gorge, but mostly, albs and mids just stick as a big zerg and roam around Emain killing people. They usually don't even bother taking keeps other than Crauchon. Natural Hib response: gather enough fg's at Crim or Bolg and overzerg the zerg. And that goes from bad to worse.

 

[Arthwyr]

Cut the bullocks ...

Due to the nature and the agro found in the different frontier zones or the agro on the way into this zone Emain has established itself as the N1 RVR zone on Most DAOC servers, not only excalibur. The Occasional RvR player is not interested in having 5 attempts getting to a place where he most likely won't find any enemies at all and risk getting killed on the way there by a baf purple agro mob. All this emain whining has nothing to do with defending your frontier at all. Sure If hibs occasionaly do it I could understand but you forget that most of the time its Mids camping amg. A favour wich albs seem to be returning at mmg lately not that I 100% approve of it.

As for alb groups engaging/charging hibs mids ... Due to the delicate nature in the way alb skills are spread over a zillion classess a very, very small margin of error exists for albs in combat. And unless the albs have a Rej 2 clerics/Sorc/Minstrel/Wizard/cabby/tanks in a group to provide em with all the attributes needed for good RvR (part from insta Crowd control cause they simply dont have and part from a INdecent castable stun ) they will rarely stand a chance vs a semi good hib/mid group. Therefore you can forget about being succesfull in 90% of the "pickup" groups. As for my own guild I know the ppl wrather charge in and take their best shot at taking out the enemy wrather then run around in a zerg to get counterzerged. Sometimes we die, sometimes we win and often we win with far from perfect groups (no CC part from the clerics short mezz and the minstrel mezz as going out in a fg without a cleric is utterly pointless)

If any albs should be interested in improving survivability a bit ...

1)Never leave APK without a cleric AND minstrel in you group. If not you are Gimped No minstrel means NOT being able to chase enemies when they run from you (means they think your gonna gank em) and it means no running away when they enemy is Obviously superior ( Means they think they are gonna gank you without blinking an eye since you look like free rpoints) Either way NO minstre is NO RvR as far as I'm concearned since you will always be left holding the wrong end of the stick.

2)Bards/Pbaoers/Runies/Casters in general
If you do not have a Sorc in your group Do something to interrupt em ... Scouts target em, wizards qc bolt em, theurgists aoe root em if need be and tanks RUSH THE CASTERS WHILE INTERRUPTED EM AND GANK EM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SLAM/SMASH EM UP (sorry for caps) FIRBIE-TROLL = GOOD / anything with a stick or instrument is definately bad
If you do have a sorce stick a shield tank or a Infiltrator on him to take care of anything that goes for him, infil can pa cd and/or snare incoming bottomline KEEP HIM ALLIVE. And once he gets his mezz in dont stand around the clock is ticking... Go for casters preferably gank em one at a time but do not stand there looking like idiots but get a move on. (Btw this is hard and takes a group thats used to work together FC sometimes still screws up at this too)

3)Tanks Root/mezz ignore if they arent mezzed or rooted slam/snare em do whatever it takes to keep em off casters

Bottomline work with the tools you have and don't get pissed off and log after being ganked twice in a row, think about why you got ganked and what you could have done to prevenet being ganked next time you ran into that group. And indeed in very rare occasions being an alb will mean its virtualy imposibble to take out more then your own numbers sad but true.

 

[Cowled]

Originally posted by Arthwyr
Cut the bullocks ...

Due to the nature and the agro found in the different frontier zones or the agro on the way into this zone Emain has established itself as the N1 RVR zone on Most DAOC servers, not only excalibur. The Occasional RvR player is not interested in having 5 attempts getting to a place where he most likely won't find any enemies at all and risk getting killed on the way there by a baf purple agro mob. All this emain whining has nothing to do with defending your frontier at all. Sure If hibs occasionaly do it I could understand but you forget that most of the time its Mids camping amg. A favour wich albs seem to be returning at mmg lately not that I 100% approve of it.

As for alb groups engaging/charging hibs mids ... Due to the delicate nature in the way alb skills are spread over a zillion classess a very, very small margin of error exists for albs in combat. And unless the albs have a Rej 2 clerics/Sorc/Minstrel/Wizard/cabby/tanks in a group to provide em with all the attributes needed for good RvR (part from insta Crowd control cause they simply dont have and part from a INdecent castable stun ) they will rarely stand a chance vs a semi good hib/mid group. Therefore you can forget about being succesfull in 90% of the "pickup" groups. As for my own guild I know the ppl wrather charge in and take their best shot at taking out the enemy wrather then run around in a zerg to get counterzerged. Sometimes we die, sometimes we win and often we win with far from perfect groups (no CC part from the clerics short mezz and the minstrel mezz as going out in a fg without a cleric is utterly pointless)

If any albs should be interested in improving survivability a bit ...

1)Never leave APK without a cleric AND minstrel in you group. If not you are Gimped No minstrel means NOT being able to chase enemies when they run from you (means they think your gonna gank em) and it means no running away when they enemy is Obviously superior ( Means they think they are gonna gank you without blinking an eye since you look like free rpoints) Either way NO minstre is NO RvR as far as I'm concearned since you will always be left holding the wrong end of the stick.

2)Bards/Pbaoers/Runies/Casters in general
If you do not have a Sorc in your group Do something to interrupt em ... Scouts target em, wizards qc bolt em, theurgists aoe root em if need be and tanks RUSH THE CASTERS WHILE INTERRUPTED EM AND GANK EM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SLAM/SMASH EM UP (sorry for caps) FIRBIE-TROLL = GOOD / anything with a stick or instrument is definately bad
If you do have a sorce stick a shield tank or a Infiltrator on him to take care of anything that goes for him, infil can pa cd and/or snare incoming bottomline KEEP HIM ALLIVE. And once he gets his mezz in dont stand around the clock is ticking... Go for casters preferably gank em one at a time but do not stand there looking like idiots but get a move on. (Btw this is hard and takes a group thats used to work together FC sometimes still screws up at this too)

3)Tanks Root/mezz ignore if they arent mezzed or rooted slam/snare em do whatever it takes to keep em off casters

Bottomline work with the tools you have and don't get pissed off and log after being ganked twice in a row, think about why you got ganked and what you could have done to prevenet being ganked next time you ran into that group. And indeed in very rare occasions being an alb will mean its virtualy imposibble to take out more then your own numbers sad but true.

Yes, good post.

In other words: Make an infiltrator, and solo. Then u have the rvr when u want, not depending on others. This was posible in the past with scout & minstrel - but u all know the situation.

 

[old.Outlaw]

3)Tanks Root/mezz ignore if they arent mezzed or rooted slam/snare em do whatever it takes to keep em off casters

Just to further re-iterate this point.

On Monday night, me, Zoyster, Herbal and Roland took out a fg of Hibs @ Mill, how?

Cuz most of them were rooted then we backed off a little, picking off Elf casters and Archers (thank god they r the same Class usually ), then as each champ/M00se/tank approached me and Zoy, Herbal and Roland procceeded to stun them, which allowed us to get some distance and Nuke the Mofo b4 he could even find his IP QuickBar. unfortuantely both me and ZOyster died while 3 tanks were standing.....guess what...Herbal rezzed us both, I frictioned the tanks, stuck on PBT and me roland and Zoy nuked them to death.

Morale of the story :
1. Tanks..don't mellee a tank on a caster...either slam them or let a cleric stun them , sorc mezz em , Theurg root em. Try to let Wizards only break Rooted tanks and then bash them.
2. Rezzing mid fight: In this day and age of MCL, a rezzed person can still be a force to be reckoned with.

Unfortunately this all requires a bit of skillz, which means u have to
a) have ur eyes open...
b) used your camera rotation (D - auto centres your view btw)..
c) be alert ie. not afk af on minstrel finishing off the last page of the latest novel u r reading ;p

PS: AE Mezz isn't the be all and end all of RvR, I've reached Alerion Knight, and am rarely privelaged to have a sorc grouped. A well placed root, followed by rapid Minstrel mezzing, tank charging, Wizard Nuking, Cabalist Petting, Cleric stunning, Archer shooting, Infil PAing is just as lethal ;p [I think I have mentioned every class' role there]

ROFL Albions are under-balanced - get real- (well we don't have group purge)

PPS: The amount of times I have accepted a group invitation to be greeted by 4 tanks and a smite cleric, sheesh how to say cu l8 politely?

 

[old.Zanaa]

Almost all old players and many new hate emain, still fight there -why? Simple -

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BECAUSE SOME RETARD DECIDED TO MAKE THE PORTAL KEEPS!
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What in Gods name is the point with these portal keeps? If all realms were simply connected in the frontier zones without bottlenecks, the fighting would be automatically spread out and noone would actually be forced to zerg to get through blockades at the tk/walls. It's the portal keep system that zergs RvR, it's so obvious.


...If you have the slightest clue, to get killed by mobs in frontiers while rvrng is close to 0 at lev40+ unless you take the chance to move into dangerous areas yourself. That old argument is pathetic - afraid of green con waylayers?

 

[Lurkalot]

Originally posted by karlophin



Its the fights your not sure of that make for fun, then it comes down to tactics, a well balanced group and ability to work as a team.

I have a started a skald and in my mid 20s I figured I'd head for DF to try and get seals for armour as I dont have that much cash, I logged there and carried on next morning, 2 lvl 50 albs came by, cheered me on, bowed and went on with their business.

30 mins later a group of hibs come up to my spot (3 rooms from merchants) and gank me while im fighting a plated fiend.

I obviously con grey to them but I must have looked like a tough grey cos I must have been one of those fights that youre not sure about, and it must take a well balanced group to gank a grey who is already in combat with a plated fiend.

Having checked the logs I noticed 2 names that were really hitting me for six, Karlophin and Crodania, thx guys, I hope I gave you a good fight.

Hell, I may have conned green to some of your group I dont know, or would that have required more reinforcements to bring me down.

I'm sure I'll get the blah blah, you know the risks lecture, but I guess that my judgement was clouded by the fact that I had 2 good encounters with lvl 50 albs before my run in with Hibs.

Anyhoo, whine over.

 

[old.Outlaw]

lol thats funny coming from a man that has the signature:

Let your enemies be blue and sitting down

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by old.Outlaw

Morale of the story :
1. Tanks..don't mellee a tank on a caster...either slam them or let a cleric stun them , sorc mezz em , Theurg root em. Try to let Wizards only break Rooted tanks and then bash them.
2. Rezzing mid fight: In this day and age of MCL, a rezzed person can still be a force to be reckoned with.

Unfortunately this all requires a bit of skillz, which means u have to
a) have ur eyes open...
b) used your camera rotation (D - auto centres your view btw)..
c) be alert ie. not afk af on minstrel finishing off the last page of the latest novel u r reading ;p

PS: AE Mezz isn't the be all and end all of RvR, I've reached Alerion Knight, and am rarely privelaged to have a sorc grouped. A well placed root, followed by rapid Minstrel mezzing, tank charging, Wizard Nuking, Cabalist Petting, Cleric stunning, Archer shooting, Infil PAing is just as lethal ;p [I think I have mentioned every class' role there]

ROFL Albions are under-balanced - get real- (well we don't have group purge)

Amen @ Outlaw ( ;

 

[karlophin]

Originally posted by Lurkalot
Having checked the logs I noticed 2 names that were really hitting me for six, Karlophin and Crodania, thx guys, I hope I gave you a good fight.

Hell, I may have conned green to some of your group I dont know, or would that have required more reinforcements to bring me down.

I'm sure I'll get the blah blah, you know the risks lecture, but I guess that my judgement was clouded by the fact that I had 2 good encounters with lvl 50 albs before my run in with Hibs.

Anyhoo, whine over.

I want to apolagise for that, you have to remember that we're not always in control of all members of our group and numorous shouts of "DONT KILL THE GRAYS" didn't seem to make a difference. Ask many many gray con albs about my presence in DF in the past. Ive gone as far as sitting there and making sure there not killed my mobs. I will never purposfully gank you, I hated it and I hate doing it.. you attack me then sure, ill give you a warning shot but I try not to kill.

Once again my apolagies.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Gunnerr
what censi actually means:

damn u albs dont charge amg with 2fg and give us free rps, now with ur zerg it is impossible to farm u and its not fair!

true? ^^

Actually if it's pharming people are after then emain sucks, so many people around the sharing of them are thin at best, make more in 10 mins at odin's or hadrians than an hour most days in emain.

Emain is a no brainer and for some reason there are people that think that how battles are fought and won in emain are the sole basis for tactics in rvr, 1fgv1fg is different, I actually think there is a challenge in it

Now another thing about the number of mids/albs justifying their presence in our fair land, if you don't like it and aren't there to take keeps (which giving how often you lot are there does surprise me a bit) then what's the problem? Too many hibs in their own realm? Well I'm fairly certain if zergs took place in a realm other than hib then the same thing would happen there.

Another factor in all this is how people perceive being ganked silly, if 5fgs go to hib and get wiped out to easily then I think you get less people coming back (same for every realm I think) than if your 1 grp of 8 people happens to get killed, gone back to odin's many times for revenge/another good kicking

If you don't win you don't sing and when those of you who do go back have less people than before it's obviously going to be hard to beat the hibs who are now confident and didn't have to release anyway.

Imo emain zergs are an introuduction to mass battle but not the best you can get, constantly complaining about your zerg is bigger than my zerg can't solve the problem with the sheer numbers that do it. Making hib more dangerous in terms of aggro would make some difference although then we might just get constantly xp killed lol

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by karlophin
I want to apolagise for that, you have to remember that we're not always in control of all members of our group and numorous shouts of "DONT KILL THE GRAYS" didn't seem to make a difference. Ask many many gray con albs about my presence in DF in the past. Ive gone as far as sitting there and making sure there not killed my mobs. I will never purposfully gank you, I hated it and I hate doing it.. you attack me then sure, ill give you a warning shot but I try not to kill.

Once again my apolagies.

omg someone APOLOGISING for killing an enemy, this is getting more and more absurd everyday. Sparing someone is merciful and kind. Killing someone is the norm. Apologising for it is just plain silly. Go and be ashamed of yourself ):<

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Treniel-
albs zerg cus A) we have inferior classes

Tell the lone cleric in emain who pb mezzed 2fgs of hibs
Sorry you can't do that, your inferior, now if they hadn't been alone then maybe that was a fight albs could have won, go figure
As it was an umezzed fg of hibs came up and dispatched the offending cleric, while frankly amazed at the result of their PB mezz, now go make more of those and more sorcs too goddamit !