Albs and their ways.

[Nattrún]

How is it that every single time I've met someone from Albion, they've resorted to a coward's tactics? I've, to date, not been in a single one-on-one with an alb that in any way resembled 'fair'. Every alb that's killed me has been purple con to me. Every alb that's killed me has either poisoned me while I was considering mobs to pull then run away(Pin, most recently), one-shotted me while I was resting after killing an orange mob and very low on health, or ganged up on me with a bunch of his realm-mates.

Is it impossible to find someone from Albion who'll ignore a poor grey-con that's low on health, sitting near a rapidly decomposing corpse of a mob that's really too high level for them, and generally looking like too easy a match to bother with?

I mean, it's not like I could be worth a gajillion RP to them.

I find it puzzling.


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Nattrún Bergsveinsdóttir, Skald of 3x seasons
<Fellowship of Midgard>

 

[Tiarta]

Hi m8

please dont take it personal, but if it can make u happy it happens to alot of albs also in our frontiers, its nothing personal against u, but u dont wait until ur enemy has full hitpoints or ure ready, u strike when u feel the opportunity is there (its a RVR game)

only thing i can say to u is to avoid frontiers or emain until ure ready for it.


best of luck

Best regards Tiarta

Dragon Knights

 

[Ensceptifica]

The few duels I've had in RvR were all with Paladins. I loathe their self heal, but they must hate my bubble

 

[old.Atrox]

Nattrun for an alb your worth about the same about rp's as a yellowcon in emain, probably more, since they get 1rp per kill in there Zerg attacks...

 

[Nattrún]

No, see...

I wouldn't kill a grey. Especially a grey that was alone, low on hitpoints, and generally looking the worse for wear. For one, it would give me next to no realm points. For another, it would be *cowardly*. It would make my realm look less 'respectable' in the eyes of the grey I killed, and in the eyes of the people they told about it.

Secondly, Uppland is one of the few places where the mobs are around a level suitable for soloing when you're in your early thirties. But with the new arrival of Darkness Falls, there are practically none of our higher-level people around to defend it. And so we mid-levels die of the high-level(in the most recent death, as we speak, a level 50 something-or-other) invaders.

I'm not taking it personally, but it's still aggravating.


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Nattrún Bergsveinsdóttir, Skald of 3x seasons
<Fellowship of Midgard>

 

[Ebonn]

Hohohohohohohoho wot goes around.. comes around..

no seriously if your high lvled realm mates hadnt done the same to other realms then they *might* not feel obliged to gank every grey they meet,
in my case i only ever go to mid, and i make a case of attetmping to kill everybody i see grey or not, maybe if i hadnt been xp killed so many times by mids while trying to lvl i might spare some of the defenseless, not once did i get xp killed by albs, on the occasions when they could have they cheerfully danced at me untill i had killed said mob, and for that i spare there lowbies ( most of the time )

monkey see... monkey do...

 

[Nattrún]

Monkey see, monkey do?

Exactly.

Don't be a monkey. Rise above the simian behaviour you've witnessed with your own eyes. Maybe you'll set a good example.


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Nattrún Bergsveinsdóttir, Skald of 3x seasons
<Fellowship of Midgard>

 

[old.Pempula]

Just kill the grey monkey.

 

[silmar]

Well killing greys??

What's the fun in that, I leave em be, actually helped an alb grey once, stunning her enemy, dunno if I stunned her, but that was not my meaning

hell it's a lot more fun when they actually give 10+ rp ~~ (drooling) just incase u'r wondering )

(my first post)


and you little albs need not worry we will kick your lilly ass soon enough midgard Rulez!

Best regards.

young.Silmar

Blizzard

 

[Ebonn]

Originally posted by Nattrún


Don't be a monkey. Rise above the simian behaviour you've witnessed with your own eyes. Maybe you'll set a good example.


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Nattrún Bergsveinsdóttir, Skald of 3x seasons
<Fellowship of Midgard>

ook, ook yah maybe i will......... nah, what was i thinking, nearly taking advice from a middie, i need a holiday

 

[old.Atrox]

Oh!!! Public Spanking!!! I want I want!!!!

 

[-Dreama-]

When ever I see a grey in the Albion frontier I kill him. When visiting the lush green country side of mid, if I see 1-3 grey hibs I leave em be, or I mezz em, just to be a pain in the ass (who likes standing there for 59 sec watching me dance?). When visiting the cool white landskape of mid if I see 1-3 greys I always mez em. then maybe I'll do a small root/debuff to hell and back. Just to make em have some down time and be yet again a pain in the ass.
Why be a pain in the ass to the lowbies in frontiers? Well, simple. It teaches them they are far from safe in the frontiers and teaches them to be a be bit more aware of thier saroundings.

Why do I treat the lowbie mids worse than the lowbie hibs? Very simple. Hibs will have more high lvl back up close enough to come kill me than mids do. (in my experiance) I have plenty more time to mess with the minds of the little middie children than I do with the little hibbie children.

Basically, I don't kill greys unless there are plenty of them. But, if you're less than lvl 40 then you must expect death in frontiers when you're alone. Fact of the game my friend. It's rare to find people who can resist killing the greys.

 

[1Jesta]

were you exping at the crabs spot just outside of Uppland tonite per chance ?

 

[Envenom2]

i kill greys the reason being this little bastards in a few weeks time will be running around ur frontier killing ur grey realm mates.
If ur in the frontir u can expect to die simple as that really.


Only 1 alb has ever spared my life which was Sono a minstrel.Waas running to emain with my low lvl shade mate and i get mezed i think ok im dead but whats weird is she mezed me mezed my mate killed him and just blowed a kiss to me and left me be.Strange but true and if ur reading this Sono why didnt u kill me


kill a grey ruin their day

 

[-chancer-]

sono killed me tonight at yggdra gates

 

[sorusi]

wouldnt spare an lurikeen for a second

now kobolds - those are cute!

grays are for testing spells on, souch as debuffs and dots (L44 dot doesnt kill an gray)

 

[old.Kerosene]

Originally posted by Envenom2
i kill greys the reason being this little bastards in a few weeks time will be running around ur frontier killing ur grey realm mates.
If ur in the frontir u can expect to die simple as that really.

kill a grey ruin their day

The reason they will run around in a few weeks ganking greys is coz they had it done to them first.

Unfortunately you can lead an idiot to knowledge but you can't make him think....

 

[old.Sepiritz]

I guess if I took the time to make the long trip to your frontier I guess I would take anything I find, even greys..
Either that or run around waving while stealthed.

 

[old.Mousah]

where were you....could you plz give me loc so i can come gank..erm..help you?

i dont spare greys, becouse sooner or later they become yellow and wont spare me if im afk or low on health, the game is about killing ppl from enemy realms.....grey-yellow con who cares?
a good hibbie is a dead hibbie(that goes for mids aswell)

sure you can call a highlvl person a coward for killing a lowbie that just killed a mob and will get a exp death , but then you shud learn something......stay away from frontiers....go exp inside your realm..
and if it was in DF this happend...bad luck, i just got ganket with my skald 4 times and got exp deaths all four times....and yes all 4 times by the same infi that conned purp to me...i dont think hes a coward for that...just having fun ganking others, sure i was mad about the exp that took me 30 min to collect and disapared in 2 sec, sooner or later you ding 50 and dont have to worry about that again.

and no, neither hibs or mids are leaving the lowbie albs alone when they go on a alb raid ....so get used to it, if your out in a frontier be prepared to get ganket...



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[Gordonax]

Hell, I'm only level 30 and get clobbered by enemies in the frontiers by people I must be grey to all the time. So what? I lose 5 silver for the horse ride back from where ever I'm bound. If I'm xp-killed I'd be a bit annoyed (but I haven't been xp killed for ages - perhaps everyone's realised it's a bit lame). But otherwise, it's fine - they're my enemy, I wouldn't expect them to do anything but attack me.

 

[CBH_Music]

well the thing is xp-killing is wierd :/ sometimes it's a xp-kill sometimes it's not ?

1 alb in snow finished his mob and was on 3/4 + health - i waited for 10sec to attack, but even he got xp-killed :/ "sry"

and i thought that if i took more than 50% of the health it would not be an xp death ? can any1 clearly define the criteria for xp/non xp deaths ?

 

[Jiggs]

what a load of bull.
Jesus you can't step outside Castle Sauvage without zilly trying to PA you.
I never would or have done what you describe but I certainly dont feel sorry for you. As is done to you so is done to us or what goes around comes around etc etc

 

[old.Atrox]

Jiggs I belive Albs are worse then mids, Albs dont even use there Frontiers for xp, only drophunts ( atleast most of the albs dont xp in their frontiers ). So I doubt that it's that many grey con albs that get xp-killed in their frontiers

 

[old.mystah_e]

I like to pratice my melee on greys even tho its take about 8 hits to kill them this way, and the best is when they try to run, i get my bow out and patang an arrow in the back of their head.

 

[Cerverloc]

I find it puzzling

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Perhaps you should play a puzzlegame instead.

 

[Kagato.]

Chances are 9 times out of 10 the ones that go around killing greys in your frontier are the various stealth type classes who's very nature requires them to pick out vulnerable targets and take advantage, so theres no point complaining about it here, heck I tried that myself long long ago when it happend to me, just forget about it, live and learn.

If you want a fair one-on-one fight, don't expect it from those types of classes, only expect it from classes who appreciate such battles, as an armsman I wouldn't turn down a fair one-on-one with anyone.

Stealth classes will try and kill anyone they see at a disadvantage whatever the moral implications, complaining about it will only get you flamed by them. I agree with your ideals, just don't drop yourself to their level.

 

[Nattrún]

Originally posted by Cerverloc
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Perhaps you should play a puzzlegame instead.

Responses of this sort only serve to confirm that no, there isn't any intelligent life out there.

Which is kind of reassuring, now that I think about it.


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Nattrún Bergsveinsdóttir: Skald of 3x seasons
<Fellowship of Midgard>

 

[Radghast]

gotta give my 2 cents on this matter

i have been on both sides of the coin i have been ganked repeatedly in sauvage (yes atrox albs do xp out there. not gonna say where though) i have also made the journey to uppland. As for the moral implications of grey ganking, well its a dodgy topic but bottom line im a alb i kill mids & hibs u are a mid...u see where im going?

as for why ive done it (and i havent done it much) i have a rule that i only kill those that run from me or try and kill me. there have been several occasions where i have infact helped mids indirectly by killing unwanted aggro watching there backs that kind of thing simply because when they saw me there response as a non hostile 1

Finnaly some kill greys in uppland because being very close to your border fort it does draw out the higher lvls when a few albs are rampaging about outside there front door.

Radghast - lvl 50 wizard

officer of Equilibrium

"if a battle cant be won, don't fight it" <sun tzu>

 

[Pin]

Well, as I was mentioned in the original post, I'll reply with my opinions (most things have been said 100s of times before, but what the heck):

Uppland (I believe this is where I killed the poster) is one of thirteen RvR zones. Any enemy in range in these zones is perfectly fair game. If you step into these you must be aware you will likely meet someone from another realm (if you aren't aware of that, then what do you think the huge fortresses with level 100 guards are there for?)

If you are grey, green, blue or yellow, it makes little difference (not no difference) to me, if you are killable, I'll likely attempt to kill you.

The point about greys being worth no RPs? Well, I've had greys award me 250 RPs before, and had yellows that give 5, so that isn't very valid. The only time I'll consciously leave an easy kill alone is if they are marked as 'Defender'. Then they are Realm Rank 0, below level 20, and 100% guaranteed to be worth 1RP. Otherwise, you don't know until they are dead.

The point about there being no place better to solo in the realm for somebody of your level. Oh come off it. If you are saying that in the 10 hunting zones and 5 non-RvR dungeons in your realm there aren't any blue/yellow/orange (or whatever your class can comfortably kill) mobs? If that's what you are saying, I'm calling you a liar. On the other hand, if you are saying that the ones in the RvR zones gives better experience, then I don't doubt that's true. Mainly this is because they all have camp bonuses attached to them because there are few people willing to take the risk of dying in invaders.

And yes, albs hunt for experience and drops and quests in the albion frontier. I'm not going to say where the spots are either, but it really isn't difficult to browse the web for a map with mobs (including levels and such).

I'll mostly be killing low cons in Yggdra and Uppland (less so in Mount Collory and Cruachan Gorge) when it's nothing but zerg in Emain (I can't stand zerg, my celeron 333 just can't hack 50 people in range, let alone 100 on each side). And in my experience, greys outside the border keeps fall into 2 categories:

1) The ones there to experience;
2) The ones there as bait to give the defending stealthers a clue to where I am in order to track me down.

Sometimes it's hard to distinguish which is which, but neither will be spared in any case (after all, I'm there mainly to kill the higher cons when they come out to find me).

Oh, and saying it's just albs, or we're worse than other realms is just completely untrue. For a start, I'll often kill hibs camping the border keeps in Midgard, and both hibs and mids spend lots of time camping Sauvage border keep aswell.


Just to reiterate:

If you don't want to be killed by someone from another realm, do not step out of range of the border keep guards.

 

[Nattrún]

Originally posted by Pin
The point about there being no place better to solo in the realm for somebody of your level. Oh come off it. If you are saying that in the 10 hunting zones and 5 non-RvR dungeons in your realm there aren't any blue/yellow/orange (or whatever your class can comfortably kill) mobs? If that's what you are saying, I'm calling you a liar. On the other hand, if you are saying that the ones in the RvR zones gives better experience, then I don't doubt that's true. Mainly this is because they all have camp bonuses attached to them because there are few people willing to take the risk of dying in invaders.

No, see...

Originally posted by Nattrún
Secondly, Uppland is one of the few places where the mobs are around a level suitable for soloing when you're in your early thirties.

One of the few, not the only. I'm perfectly aware that there are other spots that would give good xp, but they're usually either very hard to get to or surrounded by higher-level mobs, so you really have to go there in a group.

Also, I'd like to apologise on two accounts:

Pin - I'd not intended to single you out as the only example. I had others, but somehow managed to forget to put them in my original post. My apologies for that.

Albion in general - I know you're not the only ones who do this, and for all I know you may not be the worst 'offenders' in this respect; I'm aware that Midgard does the same thing.

However, this was never meant to be an unbiased, objective post. I'm speaking from my own viewpoint, as someone who's never had a character higher-leveled than the 3x one I have now, and as someone whose every experience with characters from the Albion realm have been singularily negative. It's my personal opinion, and an expression of a wish for things to change for the 'better'(again, my own definition of 'better', here).

I don't like being killed in one blow by someone of vastly higher level than myself. I doubt that anyone does. I also don't want to kill characters of a correspondingly lower level than myself, both because I know it will gain me very little and because I know the player behind the character will undoubtedly be annoyed by it - they don't, after all, pose a challenge to the character killing them. They're just being squashed like a bug by some much more powerful being than themselves.

(Additionally, in all the times I've been killed by much higher-leveled characters in Uppland, I've not -once- done anything aggressive. I've not DDed, stun-shouted, or even gone into combat mode. I've been standing passively, very obviously posing no threat whatsoever.)


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Nattrún Bergsveinsdóttir: Skald of 3x seasons
<Fellowship of Midgard>