Albion defense bg this days

[Steveh]

random alb leader: -all come to berks !
random alb 1: -where is berks?
random alb 2: -anyone can give a loc for berks?

another situation: fg enemy hitting renaris.

random leader: -all meet at excal !
random alb 1: -its excal under atack?
random alb 2 in Castle Sauvage : /y EXCAL UNDER ATACK!
clever alb with some skill: -why not send 2 fg to renaris and kill the enemy before they reach the lord?
random leader: -no ,albs not know the way to renaris.excal is easy to find.all meet there NOW!
clever alb with some skill: -but..........
random leader: -there is no but ......!

random alb 3: -im looking for a group.
random group leader: -ofc come to excal we waiting for you here.
random alb 3 :-ok thx a lot im coming.
after 5 min
random group leader: /who random 3. random3 in pennine
random alb 3 :-im lost .......
random group leader: -oh my god. :<

after 10 min when the alb force gathered at excal the enemy take our last keep.

random alb in the BG: -mids!
random group leader: -where?
random alb in the bg: -SW
random group leader: -from?
random alb in the bg: -renaris!
random alb group leader: -ok thx a lot we are inc to beat them!
random alb group arrived: -hm its everything clear
random alb in the bg: -but they are still here
/who random alb -> he is in pennine

i asked many alb why not join to this bg-s.and all they say they cant read that many sh1t.

learn pls learn..........

 

[Ilum]

omg dont show the middehs our advanced tictax!

 

[Minn]

hehe funny

mids are not better though

givf more of this stuff Anyone else ???

 

[Starbuck]

Anyone brave enough to lead a defence has my respect. I do think bg's should be set to leaders only though, theres no time for democracy on the battle field. Also spam like that is detrimental to the whole force, as in Guild Chat if you need to know something, best to print out maps though of frontiers.

 

[Downanael]

QQ?

 

[Arthemis]

LoL steveh
Funneh funneh, i want more

 

[cHodAX]

Last nights defence /bg was the worst in a long while, ended up waiting an hour for reinforcements to arrive at Berks and there was people constantly moaning about not knowing how to get there or that they were blocked by Hibs. Get a clue and get a map ffs, you can get a horse to Snowdonia and bypass Sauvage altogether when it is blocked.

 

[Cami]

damn, and i thought this was in your /g

 

[Lannovar]

:worthy: Nice one Steveh!! :worthy:

Its sad but true, how long has this game been on the market and how long has your average player /play, good to hear its not just our realm that seems to have so people uneducated in the ways of Daoc.

I quite often have to find someone to stick to when im zerging with randoms as im sitting there laughing too much at /bg chat that i cant concentrate.

 

[Uberlama]

sometimes if you read those things in /bg u cant decide what to do, should laugh or cry ?

 

[Escape]

random leader: -all meet at excal !
random alb 1: -its excal under atack?
random alb 2 in Castle Sauvage : /y EXCAL UNDER ATACK!

heh... it's like something from the book, Catch-22!
Sadly it happens though. I stopped joining alb BGs a few months ago because of all this nonsense. The main problem imo, is people taking bg command who don't have a map or a clue.

 

[remi]

Albs are the Lemmings!

 

[Axuk]

Albion can't find its own butt with both hands behind its back.

Last relic raid I was asked the way to Excaliber by an RR4+ sorcerer.

If you can field any sort of group its best to just group and go try to defend whatever is under attack because by the time the rest of Albion has found its way to CS the invaders are in, raiding the fridge and ready to push the I-pharm-j00 button.

Those people that do tirelessly try to defend the Alb frontier are to be commended for their patience but also have to try to understand that some of us don't find it fun faffing around so much that we arrive anywhere just to get farmed or then run round all night taking back empty keeps because its taken two hours for the bg to find Berks etc.

When running a low RR fg in Emain and getting bulldozed by 2-3fgs of opted high RR mid and hib zergs is more fun than repelling home invasion something just ain't right

I thought the idea of defence was to stop the relics/keeps being taken in the first place, not arrive an hour later with a bg full of basically what amounts, by then, to serving up rps-on-a-plate

 

[Zede]

regarding our constant keep defence :

Mids only go after alb keeps to RP farm - its a fact. They truly couldnt give a shit about the Str relic - im sure of that. Id say 70% of albs out there cry "defend the relic" with that being their primary goal - when will albs learn these supposed " RR " incursions by the mids, are just excuses for them to RP farm ?

From what i can tell, albion has very few experienced frontier defence leaders at its disposal, so relative newcomers do step in and lead - and most the time its a bit of mess, but hats off to em, they do try at least

set /bg to group leaders only imo - to much pointless banter in alb /bg tbh...

so easymoders go bash on each others keeps for a bit please, and hopefully one day soon the rank and file albs will realise you lot been takin the piss for the last few months ! - and maybe just maybe some may think about taking some enemy keeps for a change !!

stevehs post is spot on though....i dread to think how many alb grps would get lost zerging mid/hib

 

[DaggerElivager]

lol its not all about rp's you know m8.

ofcourse rp's do play a part but you will find its guild events and groups who are bored of emain who decide to play with alb keeps.

i was around for some of last night in HW etc and i know for a fact some of the mid groups werent there purely to farm rp's, they wanted to have fun.

 

[Joor]

Was great fun in hw last night y..remember we were waiting with our fg for the 50 hibs at berk, in lord room . Remi came with an idea, which were to camp on roof and then rush lord room with our 2 sm --worked great

 

[Sycho]

A rr7 armsman didn't know where berks was, i was shocked :E

Well, they got no excuses in new frontiers xD

 

[Botond]

we all know,that originally they didnt want to implent new zones in albion with SI in the 1st place just tell the albs they have frontier zones too

 

[Zede]

lol its not all about rp's you know m8.

ofcourse rp's do play a part but you will find its guild events and groups who are bored of emain who decide to play with alb keeps.

i was around for some of last night in HW etc and i know for a fact some of the mid groups werent there purely to farm rp's, they wanted to have fun.

fun : gettin rps

not fun : getting consistantly farmed, zero rps

think you could still have "fun" taking hib keeps ? ah you dont wanna do that do u for some reason......easier to have zero challenge and farm lame albs than and even attempt to go after the hibs...


go after hibs ffs, they got the "important" relics ! and not just a conveniently timed RR - give em some constant pressure for once and let albs roam our own frontiers enemy free.....some may just learn there way around

 

[Nxs]

Possibly people who have never leveled to 50 and explored the frontiers, rather kiddies with their parents CC's and ebay.

 

[Morchaoron]

use GPS imo 8-]]]

 

[DaggerElivager]

fun : gettin rps

not fun : getting consistantly farmed, zero rps

think you could still have "fun" taking hib keeps ? ah you dont wanna do that do u for some reason......easier to have zero challenge and farm lame albs than and even attempt to go after the hibs...


go after hibs ffs, they got the "important" relics ! and not just a conveniently timed RR - give em some constant pressure for once and let albs roam our own frontiers enemy free.....some may just learn there way around

personally i cudnt give a shit how many rp's i had / have.....aslong as i have fun rp's are a bonus.

i wud go and take hib keeps if mids went to it...not my fault some guilds chose alb is it...so how about albs learn to use a map ffs lol

 

[Circulous]

Biggest problem these days is that Albs dont work together and more important, albs dont move together. Last nights we have seen results.

Every group is running solo and get farmed by hibs or mids. Yesterday BG leader told all albs in Sauvage gathering in Castle Sauvage and all albs in pennine gathering Berks.

What has happened? Most groups or players left CS alone and got farmed by Mids and Hibs. I have no idea why pps doing this, its stupid cause its easiest way for Mids and Hibs getting RPs. And Albs always wondering that enemies have such high ranks and abilities.

Albs cant provide all abilities that are needed in one group and if Eclipse or Maelstrom are around we must form a counterzerg and zerg them to the place where the sun never shines. Easy as that. Well, probably not easy for us it seems.

We need to learn the basics again

 

[cHodAX]

Biggest problem these days is that Albs dont work together and more important, albs dont move together. Last nights we have seen results.

Every group is running solo and get farmed by hibs or mids. Yesterday BG leader told all albs in Sauvage gathering in Castle Sauvage and all albs in pennine gathering Berks.

What has happened? Most groups or players left CS alone and got farmed by Mids and Hibs. I have no idea why pps doing this, its stupid cause its easiest way for Mids and Hibs getting RPs. And Albs always wondering that enemies have such high ranks and abilities.

Albs cant provide all abilities that are needed in one group and if Eclipse or Maelstrom are around we must form a counterzerg and zerg them to the place where the sun never shines. Easy as that. Well, probably not easy for us it seems.

We need to learn the basics again

Albs need to learn to move as staggered FG's and not as zergs, as we saw a few days ago just one skilled and high realm rank PBAE wiped a 3fg+ zerg near Hurbury purely because they knew the terrain and used it perfectly. /salute to those hibs for knowing the Albion frontier better than most Albs. By staggering the main force into FG's if one FG gets attacked you can hit the enemy with the remaining FG's wave after wave. Currently we all run bunched together and get mezzed/stunned and then half of us die in the first few seconds of PBAE, they then pick the rest of us off.

As for the rest of it, Albs need to learn where Snowdonia Fortress is and use the horse route ALOT more to flank the enemy.

 

[Phusion]

there is one thing you have to learn when you start a game, park a car in a unknown city or whatever..

learn something about the area around you, get maps etc otherwise you will get lost, that is the normal thing you can do no? i still wonder why people don't do this tho...

 

[Zede]

Go Mids


nice to smell stinkin piles of troll poo, and little pebbles of luri poo wafting through that clean hib air - "keep" it up

 

[Circulous]

Albs need to learn to move as staggered FG's and not as zergs, as we saw a few days ago just one skilled and high realm rank PBAE wiped a 3fg+ zerg near Hurbury purely because they knew the terrain and used it perfectly. /salute to those hibs for knowing the Albion frontier better than most Albs. By staggering the main force into FG's if one FG gets attacked you can hit the enemy with the remaining FG's wave after wave. Currently we all run bunched together and get mezzed/stunned and then half of us die in the first few seconds of PBAE, they then pick the rest of us off.

As for the rest of it, Albs need to learn where Snowdonia Fortress is and use the horse route ALOT more to flank the enemy.

Well thats what i mean. We need to move staggered (zerg isnt the same but nearly) that all Albs that move can help those who getting attacked very fast.

And you are damn right that a lot of Albs need to learn how to use our own terrain much better.

 

[Balbor]

Albs need to learn to move as staggered FG's and not as zergs, as we saw a few days ago just one skilled and high realm rank PBAE wiped a 3fg+ zerg near Hurbury purely because they knew the terrain and used it perfectly. /salute to those hibs for knowing the Albion frontier better than most Albs. By staggering the main force into FG's if one FG gets attacked you can hit the enemy with the remaining FG's wave after wave. Currently we all run bunched together and get mezzed/stunned and then half of us die in the first few seconds of PBAE, they then pick the rest of us off.

As for the rest of it, Albs need to learn where Snowdonia Fortress is and use the horse route ALOT more to flank the enemy.

albs need to learn you start defence at either CS or Snow and not at a keep in a different zone that got 3-4 FGs of enemies patroling around it.

 

[Ilum]

Random Alb Checklist for improved defensive capabilities!

It's always a lot easier to get a good organized offense rather than a good organized defense. When someone plan an offense, it will usually be a leader that knows what he's doing that's in charge. He'll have good time to set a plan, inform everyone in advance and such.

In a defense BG, this is obviously not the case. The leaders dont hold the same quality all over. It's more random who is the leader. But all in all, a lot of them have the same tactic. Which basically can be summed up in 3 words.

"ALL TO EXCAL"

Heard that one a few times before. Sure, having people to defend the relic keep isn't a bad thing, but you can do a lot better than that. Relic raids usually follow 2 different tactics.

1) Wear & Tear - attacker tries to known down all keeps to weaken the relic keep guards and simply overpower the relic keep defenses.
2) Surprise attack - attacker tries to get to relic keep unknown, and as far as possible, knock doors down without creating guard deathspam to face as little player defense as possible.

Historically, almost all Midgard's raids vs Albion that's been successful has been surprise attacks. Although I think the majority of the raids have been the first category.

Facing the first category, Albs tendency to just bunch up and sit inside Excal isn't the best strategy. The best way to face this is to get infiltrators spread out all across the frontier at key points (between keeps, zones and such). Place a decent defense team inside Exalibur. And have small groups of 1-3 fg's that has rams and are able to retake undefended keeps fast (generally, the best groups should be doing this, and the less good should be camped in Excal), and perhaps put up a defense if a keep is getting attacked. Sadly, I've rarely seen stealthers actually do this at their own initiative. Being solo and standing idle just to be able to gather as much intelligence as possible dont seem to appeal They rather move in a zerg to kill stuff - which is much less useful for the defense.

Surprise attacks rely a lot on getting to the relic keep unseen. Biggest problem for Albs here is that their frontier isnt used as an "Emain-style" battleground very much. So it's the easiest frontier to slip through unseen. And often there's small groups blocking desperate Albs taking the road to Excal - who's in too much of a hurry to group up. Being in a hurry is fair enough, but no need to take the road. The exit of Castle Sauvage is quite wide, and hard to block efficiently if you use the sides of it.

But there's not much relic action these days, so there's not much practice for people. One of the reason why we might be worse at it

 

[Tuppe]

personally have run around different frontiers from allmost day 1, several time whit mine zerk xp in own frontier, sometimes run to snowdonia when was lvl ~40.
sadly in all 3 realms are peeps whit lvl 50 what dont know own frontier, if familiar whit own frontier? its fine, other realms frontiers are secondary stuff.

about albs relics dont be so sure those are safe.