Alb Random Groups

[behatch]

The primary problem for alb random groups is definitely class distribution. Asif it isnt hard enough to begin with, it's no small secret that RR5 is normally the turning point in the career of most albion fotm classes - they invariably join RvR guilds (/salute to those people who haven't done so yet) and most will then absolutely refuse to join a random group.

Of all the classes in alb I've noticed that this is definitely most apparent with sorcerers; if I port to emain at many times in the day there will be 3/4 FL/PE/etc sorcs hanging round the spot where the 'l337' groups tend to form -and no, this isn't the outcast group, its just sorcs in RvR guilds waiting for a fotm group, even if said groups already have a sorc and 2 others in the waiting list, they'd still prefer to wait than join a random group.

Minstrels are almost as bad, except they join stealther groups rather than guild groups, or prefer to duo etc. I remember the days when almost all minstrels devoted them self to the nonstealth arena but with the explosion of buffbots/stealth zergs this has become a thing of the past.

Clerics are obviously another essential in RvR groups, but they are too damn rare; most are either buffbotted, members of RvR guilds (again, this normally means they'd refuse a random group) or have given up on RvR in frustration (normally the result of them being the only cleric in a random RvR group, and paying for it!)

Obviously Albion's problem with pally's is their overpopularity; there's more of them than RvR groups and as a result you can almost guarantee that in 2 of every 3 random groups you join, there will be two palas.

I'm not criticising people for their style of play - RvR guilds are obviously more fun in RvR and people in them can't be criticised for what they do, in the same way that the warder zerg can't really be criticsed for what it does since zerging is often the only way of killing something (unless its eclipse in which case even a zerg might not work oO) What I do object to is when people in these guilds criticise random groups; its just not possible. Randoms don't have the time or resources to do so. 'Level a fotm class then' I hear you say - but that simply won't work as you can't be guaranteed the other 3/4 essential classes in a random group which would allow you to compete.

:worthy: Wise words and very correct imo.

 

[Minimez]

you started touching me.. tho.. i didnt mind ^^;


:touch:

 

[Tuppe]

it s not easy to make solid group with alb and even worst with random ppl
hids and mids are ok they dont seems to lack any sort of support/healing class
hibs get 2 druid warden bard so 4 healer
mids always run 2-3 healer 1 shammy so 3-4 healer
and random alb is always 1 cleric sometime 2 cleric so we have 2 healer..
this game is so balanced

this is easy explanation what see alott from albs.
dunno hibs side but example healers offer 3 different line to group what is MUST even near survive against other realms.
like we all know? healer is mids main cc, main healer and second resist/speccable haste line.
shammy is crap healer and whit this fotm group where is 3 healers, shammy rarely need do healing job, instead he has 2 other lines what its important to realm and offer these to groups.

i have sometimes been random mid group whit my healer and its frustrating like hell, main cc and main healer -> mission impossible.
if alb random group has 2 cleric? they had even more healing power what 1 healer, common setup to mids random group, can offer whit ~30 mend.

 

[Adorith]

this is easy explanation what see alott from albs.
dunno hibs side but example healers offer 3 different line to group what is MUST even near survive against other realms.
like we all know? healer is mids main cc, main healer and second resist/speccable haste line.
shammy is crap healer and whit this fotm group where is 3 healers, shammy rarely need do healing job, instead he has 2 other lines what its important to realm and offer these to groups.

i have sometimes been random mid group whit my healer and its frustrating like hell, main cc and main healer -> mission impossible.
if alb random group has 2 cleric? they had even more healing power what 1 healer, common setup to mids random group, can offer whit ~30 mend.

Well, I for one think that two clerics should outheal one healer, especially one that's at least partly specced for CC. The thing is, random groups with two clerics are very rare. Many groups dont even have one. Nor a sorc for CC. And dont even mention mincer CC, it's...shall we say....sketchy at best. Not like mincers are common in random groups either, they mostly join "proper" groups or go play the stealther game.

Sure, being main healer and main CC isn't an easy task. But is sure beats being without healing or CC.

And Gelid is spot on in his post.

 

[Martok]

shrug.. if less ppl played stealthers and camped amg all day long and rolled clerics and needed classes it would be abit easier tho to form somewhat decent grps.

and my post wasnt generally about realmbalance, it was a about a guy that flame his realm in public and make mockery of them instead of doing something good instead.

i may be making a mockery out of them but im rr5l1 had to use random groups the whole game and was making a point. sumtimes you have to humiliate ppl to get them to get off their fat arses and learn to play their charectors and stuff.

but in the end all i was doing was making a observation. you cna take it how you like.

 

[Shike]

i may be making a mockery out of them but im rr5l1 had to use random groups the whole game and was making a point. sumtimes you have to humiliate ppl to get them to get off their fat arses and learn to play their charectors and stuff.

but in the end all i was doing was making a observation. you cna take it how you like.

are you really so naive so you actually believe that if you flame people, they will bother (and not just dismiss you as an idiot) and actually start learn how to play? Man, you dont have much experience of life or maybe you just arent a very empathic person I guess. Either way, what you think is a good idea, is infact a quite bad idea imho. Rethink and also feel free to go up to a really big guy that just lost a boxingmatch, call him a retard and tell him that he sucks, maybe he wont punch you in the face and actually start boxing better, who knows.

 

[DaggerElivager]

i may be making a mockery out of them but im rr5l1 had to use random groups the whole game and was making a point. sumtimes you have to humiliate ppl to get them to get off their fat arses and learn to play their charectors and stuff.

but in the end all i was doing was making a observation. you cna take it how you like.

omg u rr5l1! woo!!

even i managed that in random groups with my runie and sb and i didnt talk down my realm mates to try and get them to play better...if you encourage and compliment them on how well they are doing, their confidence will grow and they will gain more experiance. This will lead to better players not being rude to them.

 

[Corran]

i may be making a mockery out of them but im rr5l1 had to use random groups the whole game and was making a point. sumtimes you have to humiliate ppl to get them to get off their fat arses and learn to play their charectors and stuff.

but in the end all i was doing was making a observation. you cna take it how you like.

ok then, at this point i could say that rr5l1 is nothing and that you must be a crap player to rvr so much and only be that. But im only flaming you so you learn how to play your class!

Thats what your saying. You dont like random groups, you saying people should get of their fat arses. Now, take this as a new idea. YOU set up a group. Use /who <class> 50 and pick out people you would like to have in group. It works if you willing to put in the time and effort yourself. You got a simple choice at this junction.

1) Put up with it.
2) Get of your own fat arse and learn to set up groups
3) Solo

All viable options.

1) means you need to stop complaining, give helpful hints to players in the group after you die and hope they learn with time.

2) means you put in effort, make sure you pick people that dont leave after 1 death. Once you do this more and more it easier to get group going, thou still takes time.

3) it will test your personal skills, your patients and your willingness to take a tough option

 

[Elendar]

i may be making a mockery out of them but im rr5l1 had to use random groups the whole game and was making a point. sumtimes you have to humiliate ppl to get them to get off their fat arses and learn to play their charectors and stuff.

but in the end all i was doing was making a observation. you cna take it how you like.

so you've been rvring for 2 weeks?

could easily be said at r5 and only playing in random grps its very unlikely you'll know how to play your, let alone other peoples, classes properly

do what corran says and set up your own grp you'll have more fun and it'll be more rewarding

 

[behatch]

i may be making a mockery out of them but im rr5l1 had to use random groups the whole game and was making a point. sumtimes you have to humiliate ppl to get them to get off their fat arses and learn to play their charectors and stuff.

but in the end all i was doing was making a observation. you cna take it how you like.

lol/rofl/lmao/haha/hehe/your an idiot.

 

[Marath]

Well for me its all about fun. For me fun isnt random groups. For some1 it is. Most people dont have the time to put in the game or dont care about being uber or l33t. They just port emain in their epics and have a few runs for a laught/kill time.

With toa here a pbaoe group can take a random zerg pretty nicely ... just as it did pre-toa. Just like always toa just widened the cap between casual and heavy gamers. And all the bugs dont appeal to most of the powergamers. With powerfield a pbaoe camp is too good imo. (That had nothing to do with the thread but but... )

Personally got enough of randoms for a lifetime. Its like watching some sb movie with sb killing a enemy and cleric standing next there smiting. Who wants to see that after been playing 2years ?

If you answer no then you either play in a rvr guild/stealther mostly. Cant have set rvr times anymore personally so Im stuck with my sb as Im atleast that much of a elitist bastard that I wont bother with randoms.

 

[Heheyougotboned]

says the random mid

Yes Im a random mid, and I enjoy the random albs I meet.

 

[Amuse]

Clerics are obviously another essential in RvR groups, but they are too damn rare; most are either buffbotted, members of RvR guilds (again, this normally means they'd refuse a random group) or have given up on RvR in frustration (normally the result of them being the only cleric in a random RvR group, and paying for it!)

this is true.. i got fed up with random groups after 2 days of RvRing.. now i just join aliance groups, guild groups, or groups where a guildy has asked me to join..

if something goes wrong in a random group (does most of the time), the cleric gets the heat.. "why the hell did you heal?! noob!", " why did you just stand there?!" etc etc etc..

heres to all the ppl that says bs:
its bloody hard to heal, when you have 3 savages gnawing (spelling?) on your legs, or your mezzed, stunned, attacked by archers, not guarded, when you dont take the savages of me (stunn etc)!!

PS: im bored atm, angry, upset etc, becouse GoA stil has zero info for us, nor have they fixed the accounts that are closed, even though we PAYED to play on those accounts... and ofc, GoA cant work owertime, i mean.. that would mean extra work? more than 30 mins a day? ...

 

[Eroa]

if something goes wrong in a random group (does most of the time), the cleric gets the heat.. "why the hell did you heal?! noob!", " why did you just stand there?!" etc etc etc..

This is so true in random groups. Blame the healer... so sad tbh. Like anyone would want to play the healing class when all they get is the blame. When they actualy manage to kill something the tanks and casters are like, Woot.. did you see ME wtfpwn them there. Healers good job seldom is noticed untill it goes wrong, and that is what many ppl dont seem to understand, and that is why so many that make new healing classes stop playing them after a while from all the greif.

 

[Pudzy]

If you are so brilliant and all knowing why dont you try and learn your fellow realm mates some of that, insted of going on FH and saying they suck.

oww.. see you are in TLW..



<giggles>

Maybe shouldnt teach them what you know then.

rofl

 

[Fafnir]

could easily be said at r5 and only playing in random grps its very unlikely you'll know how to play your, let alone other peoples, classes properly

This is utter bs, you saying being r5 you dont know how to play your own char? This game most things are about stats, and class related skills. Lets see, I played a thane, most players would say they where a gimped class, that became better with a few improvements. I got to rr5 doin it 90% solo, mostly from 1 vs 1, 1 vs 2 fights, and some keep leeching. Guess my best fight was when i took down 3 infils solo, all of us was buffed, so was I. But they saw a thane and thougth it was an easy target. When i lost a fight, i knew what i did wrong, what i could have done another way. But then again this is a game of stats, i never got that mp sc'd suit.

I've killed infils with my hammer, i've killed casters with my dd's. I've been called a cheater. On BW i got a few pm's where they accused me of cheating. I dunno what cheats i must have been using. I've been accused of lag strafing even when i just did /face and hit w witch made me strafe. Skill has nothing to do with guild opted groups, you can be just as skillfull in a random group, and know how to play your char, but just because you dont have thoose neat RA's, does not mean you are lacking skill.

And i stopped playing cause i dont want a 2nd job, 1 paying one is enough at home i want to have fun when i play on my computer.

 

[ilaya]

oro's rather long post hit some points dead on i feel..

and albion's over-dependancy on clerics makes a lot of peeps feel well.. rather underappreciated when things go wrong.

but some other points i'd like to raise:

communication: bg/cg's. aint hard to do.. everyone in emain/odins/HW should all be in same chat.. it helps.

mememememe-factor: just coz u got a kill doesnt make u teh uber! its fun to play a support class if u support your group enough so they can get the GROUP some kills.. not just YOU!

..and why are all the previous posts been about A FG? erm.. why not 2fg.. or 3 fg.. hello? when did this game turn into Counterstrike? bringing more peeps to a battle than your opponent can be considered tactics you know..

 

[Eroa]

oro's rather long post hit some points dead on i feel..

and albion's over-dependancy on clerics makes a lot of peeps feel well.. rather underappreciated when things go wrong.

but some other points i'd like to raise:

communication: bg/cg's. aint hard to do.. everyone in emain/odins/HW should all be in same chat.. it helps.

mememememe-factor: just coz u got a kill doesnt make u teh uber! its fun to play a support class if u support your group enough so they can get the GROUP some kills.. not just YOU!

..and why are all the previous posts been about A FG? erm.. why not 2fg.. or 3 fg.. hello? when did this game turn into Counterstrike? bringing more peeps to a battle than your opponent can be considered tactics you know..

Support is the most fun in a FG. The more people it gets, the less fun it becomes for support to play.

 

[Eroa]

I've been accused of lag strafing even when i just did /face and hit w witch made me strafe.

And that is lagstrafing as people tend to call it.

 

[Fafnir]

And that is lagstrafing as people tend to call it.

Ahh ok guess i'm a cheater then. I just dont see how people can call it cheating, perhaps we all should do like the old time boxers, stand infront of eachother and keep hitting until one of us is dead.

How can this be lagstrafing? Then you could say you are laghitting just because you are using a style.

Ohhh and is it cheating when i turn my side to an infil just as he evades? Cause alot of times that will make him miss DF, if you turn fast enough.