Alb Random Groups

[Martok]

hmm what can you say they suck...

over the last 1 month ive been getting more and more into RvR again and ive knowticed alb random groups are getting worse and worse. classic was the norm.. SI they wernt bad... ToA they seem to be getting stupid. I know i know most ppl in randoms are low level RR or new to RvR but it amazes me how ppl can survive (excuse my spelling) in these groups. tbh albs need to wise up if they are gonna try and beat the fotm hib and mid groups.

i must admit the funniest group but the funest group to play in was lastnight only half were 50 and was 2 mercs 1 cleric 3 wizzys 1 cabby 1 sorc

/whine end

 

[xxManiacxx]

We are not running any fotm grp

 

[Jenkz]

They've always been terrible

 

[Eroa]

If you are so brilliant and all knowing why dont you try and learn your fellow realm mates some of that, insted of going on FH and saying they suck.

oww.. see you are in TLW..



<giggles>

Maybe shouldnt teach them what you know then.

 

[Araudry]

alb = cow realm
end of story ;<

 

[Poag]

alb = cow realm
end of story ;<

can we strap bombs onto the newbs then and send them towards the middy lines? when they die they blow up!

 

[Araudry]

can we strap bombs onto the newbs then and send them towards the middy lines? when they die they blow up!

i m a newb so pls dont do it

 

[Minimez]

If you are so brilliant and all knowing why dont you try and learn your fellow realm mates some of that, insted of going on FH and saying they suck.

oww.. see you are in TLW..



<giggles>

Maybe shouldnt teach them what you know then.

Not really that funny tbh.

 

[Heheyougotboned]

Givf more random albs....hehe

 

[Tsabo]

lol i may be in tlw but we can still go out and kick ass if we want just because we are mainly a PvE guild doesnt mean we cant RvR.

the meaning of this post is....

Is it me or are teh random groups getting stupider and stuipder day by day??????

 

[Martok]

ffs i hate it when he doesnt log out........

 

[Tuppe]

every realm has random groups, and allways these random groups are lacking something, is it speed, end reg, healing?

every realms random groups 99% time loose other realms fotm groups, maybe suprise some in albs? but this happend.

fotm groups dont offer 40 hour a week "rvr to dummys" lessons in emain/hadrian/odin, maybe suprise again some albs?

you/me all need learn this rvr stuff by doing it self.
what kind future realm has if you start whine/blame these newcomers who wanna learn rvr? see how it goes and in future maybe offer something your realm badly is lacking.

look like some peeps in this thread allready was RL10.10 when game launch in EU, never needed learn anything and start from RL1.

 

[Slitzzz]

We are not running any fotm grp

Amen! :touch:

 

[Jaem-]

What are you basing your opinion of "random groups" upon? Opt rvr GG's?

Random groups will never out perform such groups.

And all players in group have to play at their best, are you as well?

 

[Vladamir]

Givf more random albs....hehe

Do you ever make a worthwhile post?

 

[Eroa]

Do you ever make a worthwhile post?

I dont think he do


Then again.. I dont think i do either

 

[Sinnica]

mmmmmm random groups

 

[Fadeh]

The name random groups sound so negative :<

What's random anyway?

Anything but a guild fotm group?

What about fotm setup with people from mixed guilds?

I know for a fact i could set up a very good group consisting from multiple guilds. Would it be a random group?

Would be far better game if people had respect for different peoples playing styles.

Why some people call a non haevily addicted person for random beats me.

 

[Sinnica]

good point Fadeh. its just an excuse I think, for what, I dunno
probably if the group looses, "it was a random group" etc

 

[Edlina]

If you are so brilliant and all knowing why dont you try and learn your fellow realm mates some of that, insted of going on FH and saying they suck.

oww.. see you are in TLW..



<giggles>

Maybe shouldnt teach them what you know then.

That's just mean, TLW is nice players for all I know and one of the most respected alb guilds by me. Even if they aren't a guild only out to RvR that doens't mean you should laugh at them (when they come out). imho.

/slap Jouzu!

I don't think there's many guilds capable of running pure guild groups (with the same ppl in the grps also) more than a couple nights a week, so by that definition almost every grp out is a random grp...

 

[Nilmeia]

Take some power from Mids and give to Albs imo

It's poor that my guild group with max few ppl RR 6 pawn 1 fg+ Albs with RR 6+
And on the other hand Mids r soooooo overpowered!

 

[Eroa]

I didnt laugh at them.

I <giggled> at the fact that he was whining at the people from his own realm to be playing like crap in rvr.

 

[nuky]

The name random groups sound so negative :<

What's random anyway?

Anything but a guild fotm group?

What about fotm setup with people from mixed guilds?

I know for a fact i could set up a very good group consisting from multiple guilds. Would it be a random group?

Would be far better game if people had respect for different peoples playing styles.

Why some people call a non haevily addicted person for random beats me.

i dont think of it as a bad thing, random just means there is no specific pattern to the group setup. i mean like, someone shouting at their pk /y starting a group, PM me if ur lfg - he / she doesnt know who is going to PM him therefore the group setup is very random? - atleast thats how i see it.

 

[Minimez]

That's just mean, TLW is nice players for all I know and one of the most respected alb guilds by me. Even if they aren't a guild only out to RvR that doens't mean you should laugh at them (when they come out). imho.

/slap Jouzu!

I don't think there's many guilds capable of running pure guild groups (with the same ppl in the grps also) more than a couple nights a week, so by that definition almost every grp out is a random grp...

Hi Edlina.

I dont think our rvr is under question here, we recently went into hippy land and took 3 keeps from under there noses, And our ability to defend is pretty good as well... What i dont agree with is the fact that someone can say Oh i think xxx said something i dont agree with so ill label the whole guild with the same label. :touch:

Oh and ty for your kind words

 

[Justicator]

Givf more random albs....hehe

Such a worthwhile post by HEHEIGOTBONED again...
(OMG XIIT LOLOL M8S I soloed 1fg albs again!) <-- Keep up the good work


Anyways,

There's s nothing wrong with random groups I think. Occasionally they work very well, but no way they can beat an opted guildgroup like 99% of the time.

 

[Eroda]

Alot of people dont care if they wander out in groups that dont have all the 'required' classes. If your only on for an hour or 2, its pointless spending time getting the ideal group together.

Obviously, a random mix of classes has little chance of ever beating decent balanced opposition but it can still be fun and thats what the game is about

As a side issue, alb groups have always had problems finding primary cc as the sorcerer simply isn't a popular class (a class that is often killed in about 3s of the start of a fight isn't exactly appealing to a beginner or casual player), and generally tend to be easier to just roll over because of this.

 

[Araudry]

Obviously, a random mix of classes has little chance of ever beating decent balanced opposition but it can still be fun and thats what the game is about

fun for the balanced group u mean lol...

Givf more random albs....hehe

heheyougotbackbone so owned xD

 

[Oro]

Heh. Smiled a bit at this.

Regarding not all being 50... well, thats not anything new, thats how its been from the start of the game. The only difference is that in the early days it mattered less because there were less opted groups running around and once you hit 50 you were pretty much on an even playing field, whereas now there are spellcrafting, ToA and to a lesser degreee SI related additions to make life even harder if you've not hit 50 yet. Heh, in the *really* early days you could RvR at 30 and it was reasonably even.

Thing is, the other 2 realms have exactly the same thing going on: peeps not quite to 50 yet who still (quite rightly) want to go join in RvR - they know they won't get into anything uber but trundle out hoping for a bit of fun. Done it in the past and still sometimes do it myself, though at the moment I'm pretty focused on levelling cabby so rarely take time out to go to frontier unless its realm defence. There's nothing wrong with the expectation to RvR sub 50. The only expectation would be wrong is that you will pwnz0r.

Randoms these days,in my opinion, from all realms need 2Fg to wander out prime time or you're pretty much cannon fodder. Between RAs, MLs and opted groups you're going to be chewing grass fast. Even with that 2FG there is a good chance randoms are going down faster than the Titanic on fast forward. If a random group actually kills something out there its an achievement to be proud of. You've got people that don't know how each other works, aren't entirely sure how their team mates will respond when the poo hits the fan and have no idea if people will actually stick to agreed MA etc.

The complaints of the RvR guilds about running 1FG mean nothing to me. I like running 1FG but I'm not overly bothered if I've got 7 peeps with me or 200. I'll go looking for an appropriately sized fight with whoever's around. A zerg to me is many groups mindlessly running around for RP. If there is an objective with peeps coordinated it ceases to be a zerg in my opinion, its an army. I hate zergs. I love large battles

I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with Alb groups when they are planned or patience (nooooo not the p-word) is taken at a PK in filling the group. Min/Maxxers will find something, but in the general ruck they are fine. Seen enough now to think this though that may change over time. I'll qualify this by saying I can only go by what I've seen so far and my Alb experience so far is very limited compared to Mid... as yet.
The only thing lacking I've seen really is planning but that the nature of pick-up groups. Hell, none of my gimps in the past had specs for opted groups (except maybe druid with 48 regrowth).

DAoC RvR is not about fair fights and never has been or will be. Most of it is random chance who you bump into when you roam around. If you go to Emain you are facing off vs the opted groups every night. If you are willing to go elsewhere, you have more of a chance of some nice fights, though it may stretch your patience as you look around for people. In my experience, random groups are not good at patience. Not all are like this, but many I've joined.

Even after all the time I've played DAoC though I still enjoy random groups at times because I like meeting new peeps. Some appalling experiences such as several players competing to chat up / impress a female character and even after we've been wiped one still trying to get her RL info so he can contact her... chances are its probably not even a female he's talking to. Doh. Thanks for the group chaps, see you next time. I guess this highlights an important difference between PvE and RvR: with PvE to a degree you have predictable AI and peeps can relax more and get away with a lower level of attention, but if you actually intend to win in RvR you need a much higher level of attention. This is one of the things that kills off a lot of randoms, and its not just an Alb thing. Groups with casters in particular suffer from the lower attention.

A thing I've noticed a lot is people playing solo in random groups. For example, the group encounters the enemy group(s). Some people in the group feel the group won't do well so they go off for what looks like an easy enemy and hope they can take it down before the group dies so that at least they got some RP for it. What they've actually done is maybe broken mez/root and possbly allowed an imobilised enemy to activate and kick off an RA that turns the fight. And of course, there's full solo as people rush off to the other side of the zone chasing a lone enemy thats just led them into an ambush and now they're bleating on groupchat for a rez and the ambushers (now with ML10 spymaster keeping them invisible) are sharpening their knives while they camp their new judas goat.

Not blind to the pitfalls of random, but I still like to do both guild and pick-up group RvR. 5 levels to go before my cabby is a veteran then I'll be looking for some tank groups probably.

Ice Wiz LFG!

 

[Edlina]

I didnt laugh at them.

I <giggled> at the fact that he was whining at the people from his own realm to be playing like crap in rvr.

Excuses! All excuses!

 

[Eroa]

What i dont agree with is the fact that someone can say Oh i think xxx said something i dont agree with so ill label the whole guild with the same label. :touch:

where is the fun in this world if we cant stereotype ? :touch: