Alb group that came to hmg duels.. (not a whine)

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Fill me in on how 1v1 duels are any more rp farming then any normal rvr activity? The only thing that is not rp farming in this game is taking undefended keeps.

Read what Flimgoblin posted earlier. RP farming isn't just getting RPs in the normal course of play. Where 1v1 duels lead is "here, you kill me first, then I'll kill you, and we all get RPs - and then we do it over and over again".

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Read what Flimgoblin posted earlier. RP farming isn't just getting RPs in the normal course of play. Where 1v1 duels lead is "here, you kill me first, then I'll kill you, and we all get RPs - and then we do it over and over again".

Sorry, but nobody was saying here you kill me first, then I kill you. People were fighting to win vs a solo unbuffed opponent, the majority of the time nobody died.

RP farming = collecting RP's

Whether it's 1v1, 2v2, 8v8 or zerg v zerg. What you're talking about is cheating, and that needs a mail to rightnow!

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
Sorry, but nobody was saying here you kill me first, then I kill you. People were fighting to win vs a solo unbuffed opponent, the majority of the time nobody died.

RP farming = collecting RP's

Whether it's 1v1, 2v2, 8v8 or zerg v zerg. What you're talking about is cheating, and that needs a mail to rightnow!

Cheating is where duelling leads. Imagine if everyone could duel all the time, if it was a totally accepted practice. Do you think that people wouldn't do what I just described?

And no, RP farming doesn't equal collecting RPs - at least not in the eyes of Mythic/Goa. RP farming is what I described - undermining the set up of the game in order to artificially boost your RPs.

The game is set up to be war between realms. War means just that - not friendly little fights.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Nol
May be in the same realm, but obviously not mates. Why should they respect you or your ideals when you so obviously don't respect theirs.

If they were hibs, I would have left them to get slaughtered too.

If they decided to take a keep, or go off and gank greys or other albs, then I would have killed them. If it's a bunch of people obviously doing no other harm then having some duels, what's the point?

I wasn't with the retake force - and from what I heard the duelists attacked the group first... I may have heard wrong though If it's true - shame on the albs that just stood by...

On the dueling thing:
Duel all you want - but don't come whining if someone comes and breaks it up

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
I wasn't with the retake force - and from what I heard the duelists attacked the group first... I may have heard wrong though If it's true - shame on the albs that just stood by...

On the dueling thing:
Duel all you want - but don't come whining if someone comes and breaks it up

What you heard was wrong.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Cheating is where duelling leads. Imagine if everyone could duel all the time, if it was a totally accepted practice. Do you think that people wouldn't do what I just described?

And no, RP farming doesn't equal collecting RPs - at least not in the eyes of Mythic/Goa. RP farming is what I described - undermining the set up of the game in order to artificially boost your RPs.

The game is set up to be war between realms. War means just that - not friendly little fights.

That's rubbish, cheating and dueling have nothing in common, dueling is not banned.

What's the difference between doing what you describe as 1v1 or as 100v100 - or does normal RvR also lead to cheating?

Wait a minute, being a stealther leads to buffbots, leads moral breakdowns, leads to cheating hence? ...

FYI, the game is many different things to many different people, you don't see me bitching because you roleplay and I find that weird? I play the game to have fun, for no other reason.

 

[Moody]

First of all duelling at milegates, any milegate, is like letting your child play with a ball on the motorway. plenty room between htk or mtk and the milegates.

Secondly, 80% of the people who now whine that their enemy hugging was disturbed wouldn't hesitate for a second to do the same thing if they had not been part of the "event". Stop making up rules that fit yourself in a certain place at a certain time and change them whenever you feel like it.

And accusing HG of being RP hungry is just plain stupid really

Regards,

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
That's rubbish, cheating and dueling have nothing in common, dueling is not banned.

Read AGAIN what Flimgoblin posted above - the "About duels" bit. That's the official Mythic line on duelling. Note the bits about "as long as it is unplanned and exceptional". A planned set of duels at HMG isn't within the rules of the game. It undermines the fundamental principle of the game, that the realms are at war.

You're right that there are many different ways to enjoy the game, and I respect that. Some people enjoy 1fg Vs 1fg. Some people enjoy 2fg Vs 2fg. Some enjoy huge massed battles (which is why I don't whine about zergs). However, the most basic aspect of the game is that the realms are at war, and you have to understand that doesn't mean friendly little pre-arranged jousts. It's like playing football and then picking the ball up and running over the goal line - enjoyable, but not within the scope of the game.

If you want to cross-realm duel, go to the PvP servers. If duelling were acceptable, some players (not you I'm sure) would use it to RP farm as I described which would be cheating. That's one of the reasons why duelling, on a practical level, isn't acceptable - it would lead to more cheating.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
FYI, the game is many different things to many different people, you don't see me bitching because you roleplay and I find that weird? I play the game to have fun, for no other reason.

Oh, and for the record: I don't roleplay. I just understand that the game is all about killing the enemy.

 

[Larik-]

Good to hear you play the game to have fun, try to do the same here - the roleplaying post was actually a joke

We were heading up to Hadrian's to check for enemies soon after the Beno retake - are you really saying we should not defend the realm as there's a duelling tournament going on? (disregarding entirely the legality of such an event)

 

[PainLady]

Why didn't u came here and post (whine) when hibs ruined the duels in emain amg a few days ago? but wait u must whine only about albs that's it ....ohh well

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Read AGAIN what Flimgoblin posted above - the "About duels" bit. That's the official Mythic line on duelling. Note the bits about "as long as it is unplanned and exceptional". A planned set of duels at HMG isn't within the rules of the game. It undermines the fundamental principle of the game, that the realms are at war.

You're right that there are many different ways to enjoy the game, and I respect that. Some people enjoy 1fg Vs 1fg. Some people enjoy 2fg Vs 2fg. Some enjoy huge massed battles (which is why I don't whine about zergs). However, the most basic aspect of the game is that the realms are at war, and you have to understand that doesn't mean friendly little pre-arranged jousts. It's like playing football and then picking the ball up and running over the goal line - enjoyable, but not within the scope of the game.

If you want to cross-realm duel, go to the PvP servers. If duelling were acceptable, some players (not you I'm sure) would use it to RP farm as I described which would be cheating. That's one of the reasons why duelling, on a practical level, isn't acceptable - it would lead to more cheating.

Sorry mate, you obviously have your opinion about it, as I do mine, and I doubt whether we will see eye to eye on thesubject, I am not really upto arguing the morality of it anymore. I understand that not everybody wants to do it, and I don't expect people to hold back if they come across the duelers pen, but by the same token, don't expect people to side with you because you share a realm name.

In future if we arrange something like this again, we will try do it in a place that is more deserted, though you don't get much more deserted then HW.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by PainLady
Why didn't u came here and post (whine) when hibs ruined the duels in emain amg a few days ago? but wait u must whine only about albs that's it ....ohh well

because this was the first I've head about, as previously stated I think I've finished with this thread.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by old.Nol
In future if we arrange something like this again, we will try do it in a place that is more deserted, though you don't get much more deserted then HW.

but a mg HW is again a little less deserted than somewhere else in HW little less on the "normal" paths

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin

The difference is we don't fight to the death, there are the odd ones from dot's etc but people pull back when losing, it's bad form to kill in any case but mostly it's to avoid breaking any coc, we aren't there to rp farm, just to have some friendly fights.

Healers that are there usually end up providing buffs (also not on but since we can't communicate we can't ask them to stop) and we don't usually whine about a duel versus a buffed opponent.

 

[PainLady]

Originally posted by old.Nol
because this was the first I've head about, as previously stated I think I've finished with this thread.

owww soz but didn't talk with ya mate ....i have some prob finding quote was talking with teh one who made this post

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Gordonax
It's worth going over the reasons why duelling sucks. First of all, "to-the-death" duels are obviously RP farming and, as such, relatively lame. I would think that everyone knows this. But even non-death duelling is bad for the game in the long run.

Why, you might ask? After all, it's just friendly competition. But the entire basis of DAoC is war between the realms. Once you start arranging "friendly" bouts with enemy realms, it's a slippery slope that ends with you having more regard for the enemy than your realm mates. See that troll you duelled so valiantly with the other night about to kill one of your realm mates in emain, and you may think twice about diving in to help them. Perhaps you'll even /salute him as he kills your fellow albion.

Now I'm not saying that any of the people involved in the duelling the other night will go away and do that. But if duelling becomes an acceptable part of the game for everyone, that's where it ends up. And once that happens, DAoC is a dead game.

Sorry but duels like this have already been going on for a very long time and no, it's not resulted in any of what you say.

My guild will usually leave a solo alb/mid alone if we encounter them, sucks to be rolled over by a fg on your own.

The conventions of friendly play are not the same outside of a duel situation for the most part, once it's over it's life as normal.

The reason for rezz sick people was probably due to some over eager people who decided to go too far just before the end.

Duels won't ruin rvr, they are a fun test of your abilities because they are 1v1 against non-realm mates, since fighting your own doesn't prove as much, guess duellists will just have to hide better...

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by elerand
Sorry but duels like this have already been going on for a very long time and no, it's not resulted in any of what you say.

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...because it's not a widespread, acceptable part of the game. You don't see duels at AMG in Odins, because a lot of people feel duels are unacceptable.

I'm not going to go out of my way to hunt down duelists, but if I find enemies in my frontier, I'm going to try and kill them if I can.

 

[Kagato.]

Be better of moving the duels down to the roman pillars (the defenders level 40 epic ones). Thats one of the more common HW dueling areas and most people going to hmg miss them due to going via the boarder and down the hill instead.

Oh and yet again I missed all the dueling fun, due to already helping with powerlevelling

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Gordonax
...because it's not a widespread, acceptable part of the game. You don't see duels at AMG in Odins, because a lot of people feel duels are unacceptable.

I'm not going to go out of my way to hunt down duelists, but if I find enemies in my frontier, I'm going to try and kill them if I can.

People duel every day, 7 days a week, just you don't see it all the time but there is a lot of it about.

The sole reason for not duelling in the busier areas isn't because of the unacceptability of duelling, it's because someone will zerg you both, if people want to rvr then cool, if people want to duel cool, there is no reason why we can't have it both ways

I don't spend all my time duelling, I go fg rvr a lot as well, keep takes, relic raids and so on, so none of it does any harm, think alarm clock raids piss more people off than a duelling event

Give an alliance of power grp a wave next time any of you are solo, we'll hug and kiss you to death, then leave you to be zerged by someone else

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by elerand

Give an alliance of power grp a wave next time any of you are solo, we'll hug and kiss you to death, then leave you to be zerged by someone else

LOL ok, you win.

 

[talivarevil]

During world war 2 at certain times(christmas mainly) in the trenches they stopped to play games of football and things with the opposition,or so we was taught at school .Which shows even in real wars sometimes ppl put aside the bloodluct and can be friendly or civil.And if we wanna look back to more fitting wars like medivel times then many battles where settled by champion duels or duel tournaments

 

[jomy]

Go duel somewhere else where not many ppl come,and yes
this is a whine thread...and some 1 said we where rp farmers...
HAHA,dont make me laugh,we have the rights 2 defend our frontier,even if fellow albs pm,yelling or saying .

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by talivarevil
During world war 2 at certain times(christmas mainly) in the trenches they stopped to play games of football and things with the opposition,or so we was taught at school .Which shows even in real wars sometimes ppl put aside the bloodluct and can be friendly or civil.And if we wanna look back to more fitting wars like medivel times then many battles where settled by champion duels or duel tournaments

I could be wrong but I think it was christmas 1914, world war 1, and it only ever happened once by christmas 1915 they only danced with bullets I believe

Could be wrong pretty sure in WW2 there was nothing similar... heck in WW1 they sent downed pilots back home with a pat on the back.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by jomy
and some 1 said we where rp farmers...
HAHA,dont make me laugh

but... but.... but ...

HG are teh uber RP farmers! it's true!

*sniffles*

 

[noaim]

Yup, WW1.

WW2 never turned out to be a trenchwar. Only in Russia, at some locations, and i cant for all the sheeps in Scotland picture myself the Russians and ze Germans agree to a mutual one-day ceasefire.

 

[talivarevil]

pfft details details

 

[Gordonax]

So we having a Christmas footie contest then? Obviously, Alb would win that one...

 

[Hothnog]

I think the main reason duels was going on for a couple nights was coz the server wasnt back up to full strengh, ie people waiting for passwords. As someone said, a large amount of the duels that took place wasnt to the death. This was just something to pass the time i guess for many people and i belive there was a good few their that never had duels with other realms before, hope they enjoyed it. I enjoyed my duels at crauchy with my hero, damn paladins are a pain as for HW duels i didnt go to duel i took my animist to ba a pain in the ass