Alb group that came to hmg duels.. (not a whine)

[Ekydus]

You expect me to believe in all this role playing crap?
YOU knew you shouldn't have killed them. EVERYONE was spamming /y STOP and even PM'ed you to stop but you made smart remarks like "our frontier is now clean!". I'm sorry, but last time I checked HMG in HW was quiet. VERY quiet. It's a coincidence that you decided to turn up and destroy an event which for once didn't have people bitching at each other. You can't blame THIS lot for destroying the previous set of duels. They were completely different and most likely not even the same people. So, using your logic of "They come to our frontier they should die.", and "It was revenge for the other set of duels that were ruined." is the biggest pile of steaming contradictory crap. Grow up and have some consideration because it is people like you who ruin this game.

Anyway, despite the several interruptions (of which I'm surprised the Hibbies and Middies didn't fight back in the end) it was an overall nice event. Thanks to Nol for helping it get off of it's feet.
Well... The event was coming to a close anyway HG... So I guess the "invaders" got the last laugh anyway.

I may think about making another event in the future, making it public with a set date on here. Only time will tell.

 

[old.Nol]

BTW, no matter where you duel, some tosser is going to tell, and eventually the pricks will rock up and force their opinion down your throat.

Personally I think it was fantastic to see HW actually being used as a venue rather then a massive empty expanse that Humberton Guard get to roleplay in...by George, tally ho and so forth...or frontiers are clean, and our bum holes are raw...etc

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Yep. Happened to me before and I haven't whined about it. As far as I'm concerned, you have the right to defend your frontier by all means necessary. That 1fg could be part of a larger force heading for one of your keeps.

But when your own realmmates tell you not to kill them, because they are there to duel, wouldn't it be more likely that it was a planned event for people to have fun instead of a "part of a larger force" ?

I mean, its alright to roleplay, if you ' want to protect the queen from the vicious hordes' or whatever you roleplayers imagine when you sit home infront of your computer, but to deliberately sabotage for others that came to enjoy some 1 on 1 action sucks.

It's alright if you didn't know about the duel and got a bit carried away when you saw all the easy RPs walking around, but atleast have the balls to apologize afterwards instead of ranting about roleplay.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Invite the enemy into our lands and I'll bring an army to crush it.

We had but four brave soldiers on a holy quest in the pennines when we heard the call - thankfully there were another few travellers in Hadrian's Wall able to help.

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Ekydus - since when was dueling a right? RP farming is frowned upon and against the CoC - duels aren't quite so bad, but the advice on duels was, I believe, "don't be surprised if another bunch of players, or some NPC guards happen along and wipe everyone out"

Duel if you want, just don't expect to duel in peace.
But letting the hibs at the hmg kill the benowyc retake force whilst you stand by hugging them? that's pathetic.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Gordonax
Did it ever occur to you that some people might regard duelling as lame? To be honest, I'm surprised that a good guild like TB has anything to do with collaborating with the enemy. Any enemy that comes into our frontier dies.

Lol, collaborating with enemies, hehe.

If you think duels are so 'lame' , then why didn't you just turn around and walk away? Just because you and your likes (and FYI, roleplayers are a minority in DaoC) consider it lame, doesnt mean that you have to ruin it for the rest of the guys that just want to have a fun time.

 

[Flimgoblin]

About Duels:

Many players have been wondering what was the official stance of the event team regarding duels. In order to answer this question, we need to clarify what is hiding behind this simple word; duel.


The unexpected duel, one versus one, leading to the death of the escape of one of the two fighters.
The organised duels with "healer" classes, able to bring back to life slain players.
In the first case, it is an honourable (or not so honourable) duel, with which we have no problem as long as it is unplanned and exceptional.
In the second case however, we face an alteration of the game, allowing players to do what we call "RP farming", the act of "farming" realm points doing many "controlled" duels and sparing the healing classes. For such situations, we will not take direct sanctions against the players even if it is an alteration of the Gameplay. However, do not be surprised if your whole party is slaughtered by wandering guards, friendly jousts have no place when there is realm war going on!

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Ekydus
Well... The event was coming to a close anyway HG...

I'd guessed such - we'd heard reports of 3fg+ hibs, and had expected to die instantly the moment we got there but there was hardly 3fg in total left from all three realms total.

 

[Kurik BHM]

how is the first post in thread not a whine?

 

[Ekydus]

Oh... only about 5% of the duels were to the death. Most players had the curtesy to not kill (on purpose) and were there more for fun then the RPs.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Ekydus
Oh... only about 5% of the duels were to the death. Most players had the curtesy to not kill (on purpose) and were there more for fun then the RPs.

didn't realise there were over 400 duelists there (judging by the amount of deathspam... for that to be 5%....)

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
didn't realise there were over 400 duelists there (judging by the amount of deathspam... for that to be 5%....)

There were other people in HW that were RvR'ing and not part of the duels.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by noaim
Lol, collaborating with enemies, hehe.

If you think duels are so 'lame' , then why didn't you just turn around and walk away? Just because you and your likes (and FYI, roleplayers are a minority in DaoC) consider it lame, doesnt mean that you have to ruin it for the rest of the guys that just want to have a fun time.

So if you see something you think is wrong, you just walk away? If you want to duel, do it in Emain. Do it in Odins. Do it anywhere but our frontier, because any Mid or Hib in our frontier is an enemy. And the point of this game, whether you like it or not, is to kill the enemy.

Incidentally, I wasn't there. But I back anyone killing Hibs and Mids at any time, particularly in our frontier.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by noaim
But when your own realmmates tell you not to kill them, because they are there to duel, wouldn't it be more likely that it was a planned event for people to have fun instead of a "part of a larger force" ?

No one is going to tell me not to kill a Mid or Hib in our frontier.

It's alright if you didn't know about the duel and got a bit carried away when you saw all the easy RPs walking around, but atleast have the balls to apologize afterwards instead of ranting about roleplay.

Nothing to do with the RPs - couldn't give a toss about RPs personally. I do care about making sure our frontier has not a single living Mid or Hib in it.

 

[horil]

Originally posted by Gordonax
So if you see something you think is wrong, you just walk away? If you want to duel, do it in Emain. Do it in Odins. Do it anywhere but our frontier, because any Mid or Hib in our frontier is an enemy. And the point of this game, whether you like it or not, is to kill the enemy.

Incidentally, I wasn't there. But I back anyone killing Hibs and Mids at any time, particularly in our frontier.

Duel in emain? Yeah try amg..

 

[-Wedge-]

Did it ever occur to you that some people might regard duelling as lame? To be honest, I'm surprised that a good guild like TB has anything to do with collaborating with the enemy. Any enemy that comes into our frontier dies.

Ask Sama how I feel about duels...

If it where up to me, TB would be there with a FG (or 2) and kill every last one of them... But not all members share my feelings about duels...

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
There were other people in HW that were RvR'ing and not part of the duels.

To quote the above... friendly jousts have no place when there's a realm war going on.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by horil
Duel in emain? Yeah try amg..

Exactly my point. There's too many people around who think that Albion frontier zones are a soft touch, that they're just a big empty playground where any enemy can wander around happily. I want every enemy to know that if they come in to our frontiers, they will face opposition.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Gordonax
To quote the above... friendly jousts have no place when there's a realm war going on.

would have been nobody there if the duels weren't going on. I heard Mythic is making tumble weed animations for HW.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Nol
would have been nobody there if the duels weren't going on. I heard Mythic is making tumble weed animations for HW.

there was a benowyc retake force... they retook benowyc then some headed to HMG, met 3fg "duelists" and got attacked.

The albs there stood by hugging the hibs whilst their realm-mates were slaughtered.

 

[Larik-]

Originally posted by Kurik BHM
how is the first post in thread not a whine?

So, how come most of the 'enemies' present at HW were rezz sick when they died? Was some realm point farming going on, not by the HG it seems - read the rules on duelling again, please.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Gordonax
No one is going to tell me not to kill a Mid or Hib in our frontier.

No, of course not, because you are the knight in shining armour, the valiant protector of the realm and may death strike down upon any foe that dare set foot upon the sacred land of King arthur!

Sheesh...alright then, have fun.

 

[raekwon]

Kill em all .....

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Ekydus
Oh... only about 5% of the duels were to the death. Most players had the curtesy to not kill (on purpose) and were there more for fun then the RPs.

It's worth going over the reasons why duelling sucks. First of all, "to-the-death" duels are obviously RP farming and, as such, relatively lame. I would think that everyone knows this. But even non-death duelling is bad for the game in the long run.

Why, you might ask? After all, it's just friendly competition. But the entire basis of DAoC is war between the realms. Once you start arranging "friendly" bouts with enemy realms, it's a slippery slope that ends with you having more regard for the enemy than your realm mates. See that troll you duelled so valiantly with the other night about to kill one of your realm mates in emain, and you may think twice about diving in to help them. Perhaps you'll even /salute him as he kills your fellow albion.

Now I'm not saying that any of the people involved in the duelling the other night will go away and do that. But if duelling becomes an acceptable part of the game for everyone, that's where it ends up. And once that happens, DAoC is a dead game.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
there was a benowyc retake force... they retook benowyc then some headed to HMG, met 3fg "duelists" and got attacked.

The albs there stood by hugging the hibs whilst their realm-mates were slaughtered.

May be in the same realm, but obviously not mates. Why should they respect you or your ideals when you so obviously don't respect theirs.

If they were hibs, I would have left them to get slaughtered too.

If they decided to take a keep, or go off and gank greys or other albs, then I would have killed them. If it's a bunch of people obviously doing no other harm then having some duels, what's the point?

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by noaim
No, of course not, because you are the knight in shining armour, the valiant protector of the realm and may death strike down upon any foe that dare set foot upon the sacred land of King arthur!

Sheesh...alright then, have fun.

It's not an RP thing for me. I honestly believe (as I've argued above) that duelling undermines the game.

 

[Ekydus]

Wow what a pile of crap. Don't be so naive.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by old.Nol
would have been nobody there if the duels weren't going on. I heard Mythic is making tumble weed animations for HW.

Given that the Middies would very much like "their" relic back, that's not true.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Gordonax
It's worth going over the reasons why duelling sucks. First of all, "to-the-death" duels are obviously RP farming and, as such, relatively lame. I would think that everyone knows this. But even non-death duelling is bad for the game in the long run.

Why, you might ask? After all, it's just friendly competition. But the entire basis of DAoC is war between the realms. Once you start arranging "friendly" bouts with enemy realms, it's a slippery slope that ends with you having more regard for the enemy than your realm mates. See that troll you duelled so valiantly with the other night about to kill one of your realm mates in emain, and you may think twice about diving in to help them. Perhaps you'll even /salute him as he kills your fellow albion.

Now I'm not saying that any of the people involved in the duelling the other night will go away and do that. But if duelling becomes an acceptable part of the game for everyone, that's where it ends up. And once that happens, DAoC is a dead game.

Fill me in on how 1v1 duels are any more rp farming then any normal rvr activity? The only thing that is not rp farming in this game is taking undefended keeps.

Fg's Rp Farm, zergs Rp farm, Gorge campers RP greys, what HB did yesterday at the MG, sorry to break it to you, but that was RP farming.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Ekydus
Wow what a pile of crap. Don't be so naive.

I find my position destroyed by your totally devastating rational argument...

If you have a serious point, make it please. I am prepared to listen.

 

[Nugusta]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
Get out of my homeland you stinkin' invaders.

I only spare your fellow conspirators in Albion because the king decrees I may not harm a fellow countryman.

rofl