News Aids not as widespread as "they" lead us to believe

[Imgormiel]

not sure if youre joking or not rubric but its transmit through unprotected sexual intercourse and blood contact. not sure if you consume HIV positive blood through your mouth...

Toh. 10% of all european people are resistant to HIV (read it in a book about the plague) which might be because HIV and the black plague could be related

Sounds like that they got a damned good DAoC template with GOV in it and the rest of us got zerged by BC who stole all our immunities then

 

[Rubric]

not sure if youre joking or not rubric but its transmit through unprotected sexual intercourse and blood contact. not sure if you consume HIV positive blood through your mouth...

Toh. 10% of all european people are resistant to HIV (read it in a book about the plague) which might be because HIV and the black plague could be related

Why would i be joking, serious business these idiots who fuck people they don't know without protection or shoot up using other peoples needles. These are the sort of people we need to protect in society. Pillars of the community all of em.

 

[tierk]

How about i take the non-insulting way with you.
Read the whole thread before jumping and going "omg racist homobasher". And how about you quote the WHOLE thing, and not conveniently leave out parts of ti, such as (don't take it the wrong way).

if you read the thread fully, you'll see the answer i gave on what was meant in "politically correct and political bullsh*t terms" just for people like you.

At no point do i call you a "homobasher or a racist" Just fucking thick as shite, though i have to say that i do find you to be a person - via your posts on these forums - that has some pretty questionable thoughts and beliefs - Norse Gods aside.

You make comments that can only be called stupid and then when you get called out for making stupid statements you tell people to read the whole thread.

By the comment

just for people like you.

i assume that there is something wrong with basically telling you your totally wrong in your statment.

So if i was to say - Dont take this the wrong way but all German people are Nazis, it makes it ok or how about dont take this the wrong way but all black people are muggers!! Its ok yes?

I dont get what you trying to say with your first post, well actually i get exactly what you are saying and i think that you have no clue whats so ever on this matter. Well let me restate that you have no clue on a whole host of things, this is just another wonderful example of your total cluelessness.

Sharing needles, anal sex, unprotected, hetro or homo sex - though unprotected homo sex leads to a much higher chance of it being transmitted. These are are some of the ways that its is spread in the main. Infected blood transfusions were a problem in the past though i have been led to believe through reading up on the subject - something you patently have not done - that this is no longer a major way of transmission.

Now correct me if i am wrong but dont you have gays in your "normal western countries?" Or is it that you dont have junkies sharing needles where you are from? That first statetment of yours as per usual is a statment made without any basis in fact, just a personal opinion dressed up to seem like as if there is something behind it except ignornace.

I know that as per usual you will now go back totally on your intial statement and claim that you where in a hurry or that it wasnt what you meant and that you are not so good with words whatever!!!! but the below full quote seems pretty clear in its content, intent and meaning.

I have highlighted the parts that i find totally stupid just incase you have no idea what about your first post i found totally ignorant.

It's rather obvious though, even if some confirmation is nice.

In normal western countries, AIDS isn't really an issue, and only people who bring it into our countries are those who go outside the ocuntry to f*ck someone and the(don't take this the wrong way, especially Gorb ) immigrants who bring it.

I don't think it's "natural" for AIDS to exist here. As such.

Yep you guessed it the whole of it is riddled with the typical crappolla that pours out of your - excuse my rudeness - BUTTYHOLE.

 

[Zede]

yerbutnobutactuallyiamaweebitracistlikelampandafewothersonhere

or

old. IS a daily mail reader.

 

[old.Tohtori]

At no point do i call you a "homobasher or a racist" Just fucking thick as shite, though i have to say that i do find you to be a person - via your posts on these forums - that has some pretty questionable thoughts and beliefs - Norse Gods aside.

No, not at all, not racist or homophobe, just insult me, my beliefs(that ARE NOWHERE near here and yes i report that kind of action if it doesn't stop), with no basis and based on simpleton "facts".

I told you to read the whole thread to get the full picture, but that's obviously really hard to do. I mean, words must hurt brain yes? *pat on head* There there.

You make comments that can only be called stupid and then when you get called out for making stupid statements you tell people to read the whole thread.

So if i was to say - Dont take this the wrong way but all German people are Nazis, it makes it ok or how about dont take this the wrong way but all black people are muggers!! Its ok yes?

I dont get what you trying to say with your first post, well actually i get exactly what you are saying and i think that you have no clue whats so ever on this matter. Well let me restate that you have no clue on a whole host of things, this is just another wonderful example of your total cluelessness.

Yes, you don't get what i'm saying, that's why i asked to READ THE F*CKING THREAD. I'm not saying that, i do understand the issue, and i said "do't take this the wrong way" to maybe avoid PEOPLE LIKE YOU bashing for no reason without askig for some confirmation or clearing. Helps you know, writing at work, need to do it rather quickly, and that SHOULD have told you "Hmm, maybe i'll ask instead of attack blindly". But no. It's really hard to make sense with morons...yes, i will return the favor. Clueless jock who wants nothing more then a fight. Ain't PC great for you? Now you can bash people for being for or against different people with no reason to back it up.

Now correct me if i am wrong but dont you have gays in your "normal western countries?" Or is it that you dont have junkies sharing needles where you are from? That first statetment of yours as per usual is a statment made without any basis in fact, just a personal opinion dressed up to seem like as if there is something behind it except ignornace.

I know that as per usual you will now go back totally on your intial statement and claim that you where in a hurry or that it wasnt what you meant and that you are not so good with words whatever!!!! but the below full quote seems pretty clear in its content, intent and meaning.

I have highlighted the parts that i find totally stupid just incase you have no idea what about your first post i found totally ignorant.

Yep you guessed it the whole of it is riddled with the typical crappolla that pours out of your - excuse my rudeness - BUTTYHOLE.

Try to get these in your head. If you will!

I never said anything about gay people. NEVER. Ok? Stop bringing it up as if i did. I talked about HETERO...read it again...HETEROSEXUAL people. GET IT?!

I was i a hurry yes, but it IS what i meant. Normal wellfare white community, for example in finland, doesn't have a problem with aids before drugs, immigrants or dumb-travellers come to play. Or am i not right there?

No i don't excuse your rudeness as you clearly can't get passt post 1 in your ignorance.

And yes, that IS ignorance, judging by initial reaction even when i explained my POV BEFORE you posted. Highlighting things is just as bad as misquoting, i'll be sure to find you a misquote about you too if you wish. No wait...people did notice me "highlighting" your stuff up there but guess what. Gee whiz...they read te whole thing before judging

"No, let's not read more, i bash things with hammer when i see difference! Rar!"...f*ck off...

And by the by, i do read on the subject, more then you think off...

 

[AngelHeal]

lol leave him toht dont waste energy on baiters

 

[Zede]

lol leave him toht dont waste energy on baiters

See, this is the problem. Old has so many sycophant bum chums on this site due to his " funneh" comments, they get swept up in his bullshit.


Old is atypical of the current subtle approach of right wing attitudes. The daily mail manages to pull this off on a regular basis, never ever going to far, insinuating just enough. You may get all defensive Old. but lets face it, your views on quite a few things are RIGHT WING - just be a man and admit it.

There are 1000s of Hetrosexual people in every city in the Western World who engage in promiscuous/risky sex, with multiple partners. ( I had a 3some last year and the 3rd lady had had 4 partners in the last 10 days). So work it out dumb fuck, Aids IS an issue with anyone involved in certain demographics across the western hemisphere, its a fact. I was Aids tested the week after my Liason so FUCK YOU if its not an issue - it is for a lot of people.

Old. is just a naive little boy Tierk, little actual experience in anything. His mind easily influenced by the slightly to the right media. When he hears those comments about "immigrants" and "racists" deep down old. agrees - but of course hes not stupid enough to come out and say it - none of them are

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well that comment wasn't at all "one sided". Not to mention, i'm in no political group thank you very much. Couldn't care less, and influenced by them even less.

There might be a problem with how i bring myself forth in initial posts, but i also know there's a problem with couple of individuals who don't let people explain anything and take first impression as fact when it's not.

Calling me racist, as you did and "inexperienced", which you did, is just proof of how lacking you are in communication skills, and how young you really are to retort to such comments. Not to mention, judging a whole person for some opinions is dumb as f*ck. I wouldn't do it to you, you could even be a blooming racist and i could be your friend as long as there was no blooming that involves me.

I don't understand how YOu having a threesome with some tart and getting tested after is any proof of AIDS being a problem though...

And ofcourse, it's only "fab" to hate my opinions isn't it Zede? Haven't seen you judging many others even if they had more outrageous things to say.

 

[Chronictank]

Well that comment wasn't at all "one sided". Not to mention, i'm in no political group thank you very much. Couldn't care less, and influenced by them even less.

There might be a problem with how i bring myself forth in initial posts, but i also know there's a problem with couple of individuals who don't let people explain anything and take first impression as fact when it's not.

Calling me racist, as you did and "inexperienced", which you did, is just proof of how lacking you are in communication skills, and how young you really are to retort to such comments.

I don't understand how YOu having a threesome with some tart and getting tested after is any proof of AIDS being a problem though...

all fairness you have done the same claiming that

Normal wellfare white community, for example in finland, doesn't have a problem with aids before drugs, immigrants or dumb-travellers come to play. Or am i not right there

With nothing to back it up

"Immigrants or dumb-travellers" are no more likely to have aids than the local populous who engage in promiscuous sex (seeing as your opinion was based on your experiences rather than statistics this would be applicable to said finish community)

And yes they are right, your view is very right wing if i haven't misinterpreted your yet-to-be-proven view that
local people who engage in unprotected sex are less likely to have aids than foreign people who engage in unprotected sex

The rest of this exchange has been drivvel tbh, if you want to argue then at least pull up data to proove your point instead of just insulting each other...

 

[old.Tohtori]

all fairness you have done the same claiming that

With nothing to back it up

"Immigrants or dumb-travellers" are no more likely to have aids than the local populous who engage in promiscuous sex (seeing as your opinion was based on your experiences rather than statistics this would be applicable to said finish community)

I meant the "not natural here" as in "it has to come from somewhere".

Should find out how AIDS is born or some such to prove it but...i've just never seen it as something that's simply born from unprotected sex or filthy toilet seats.

If i'm wrong about that then do tell.

Dang your sneak edit:

The last aprt i can answer with:

If people only have sex with local people, it's fair to assume that they'd be safer then if they went to third world countries and had unprotected sex there...or is that wrong too?

Just wish people would try to get political about it and "put me in certain group" for my own views and also to stop searching for some underlining.

 

[Chronictank]

I meant the "not natural here" as in "it has to come from somewhere".

Should find out how AIDS is born or some such to prove it but...i've just never seen it as something that's simply born from unprotected sex or filthy toilet seats.

If i'm wrong about that then do tell.

Noone knows definitively where aids came from
HIV was first discovered in America, but that does not mean it did not exist elsewhere it was just not documented.
It's commonly believed it passed from chimps to humans when hunting them was legal, and is a mutation of SIV (animal version)

The first detection in Europe was via a Norwegian sailor in 1976
Dilemmas in diagnosis and treatment of Gilles de l...[J Pers Assess. 1979] - PubMed Result

Aids is and was not "new" people simply didn't know what it was so it spread, one example being blood donor's

 

[Chronictank]

The last aprt i can answer with:

If people only have sex with local people, it's fair to assume that they'd be safer then if they went to third world countries and had unprotected sex there...or is that wrong too?

Just wish people would try to get political about it and "put me in certain group" for my own views and also to stop searching for some underlining.

Aids isn't only spread through sex and drugs, when it first entered Europe it was through things like Blood Donations, hospitals, Doctors (who would work for more than one region if i remember correctly, not disinfecting against a disease they knew nothing about), prisoner transport, etc...
However the initial spread is believed to be through the chimpanse trade, where they would be killed for fur meat etc... and due to the natureof the job the blood could get into open wounds

 

[old.Tohtori]

Noone knows definitively where aids came from
HIV was first discovered in America, but that does not mean it did not exist elsewhere it was just not documented.
It's commonly believed it passed from chimps to humans when hunting them was legal, and is a mutation of SIV (animal version)

The first detection in Europe was via a Norwegian sailor in 1976
Dilemmas in diagnosis and treatment of Gilles de l...[J Pers Assess. 1979] - PubMed Result

Aids is and was not "new" people simply didn't know what it was so it spread, one example being blood donor's

Now THIS(observe Zede and tierk) is the kind of answer or discussion i'm talking about.

Just because others can't change their mind, doesn't mean i can't

Have to check the link later on, but have to say even still, evne if it is "all around", wouldn't my assumption on HIV,m or STD/STI in general, be accurate in the "risk" point of view?

As in, having sex with your local girls ain't as dangerous, in general, as going out of country to some shoddy parts of thailand?

Meaning that in "civilized" countries, peolpe actually are aware, know when they have it, it's more contained as such and people are more responsible about it.

Aids isn't only spread through sex and drugs, when it first entered Europe it was through things like Blood Donations, hospitals, Doctors (who would work for more than one region if i remember correctly, not disinfecting against a disease they knew nothing about), prisoner transport, etc...
However the initial spread is believed to be through the chimpanse trade, where they would be killed for fur meat etc... and due to the natureof the job the blood could get into open wounds

But these days, in a "modern medicine science" country, it's drugs and sex right?

 

[Chronictank]

Now THIS(observe Zede and tierk) is the kind of answer or discussion i'm talking about.

Just because others can't change their mind, doesn't mean i can't

Have to check the link later on, but have to say even still, evne if it is "all around", wouldn't my assumption on HIV,m or STD/STI in general, be accurate in the "risk" point of view?

As in, having sex with your local girls ain't as dangerous, in general, as going out of country to some shoddy parts of thailand?

Oddly enough (i cba to search it) i think it was the yanks who introduced Aids to the mainstream in that region not the other way around but thats neither here nor there
If all the local community had sex within the said community the risk would be contained i guess, but then at the same time if someone is unknowingly carrying the disease the probability of sleeping with someone who has the disease is significantly higher (based on people randomly humping)
x in a billion compared (population of the earth) to x in 10,000 for example
However if you are purposfully going to questionable areas and having sex with questionable people then it is no diffeent from doing the same in your home town

Meaning that in "civilized" countries, peolpe actually are aware, know when they have it, it's more contained as such and people are more responsible about it.

Define "civilised countries" i would hazard a guess to say your chance of getting a STD in a western society is significantly higher, for example Muslim countries such as Iran, Saudi etc.. would assumably have significantly lower cases than western countries

But these days, in a "modern medicine science" country, it's drugs and sex right?

Modern days yes it is most commonly Drugs and Sex, but the problem is already there
The issue is that people dont know they have aids, so pass it on
You can be born with a dormant form of a disease and not know it, this can be passed from mother to child for generations before it infects someone

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oddly enough (i cba to search it) i think it was the yanks who introduced Aids to the mainstream in that region not the other way around but thats neither here nor there
If all the local community had sex within the said community the risk would be contained i guess, but then at the same time if someone is unknowingly carrying the disease the probability of sleeping with someone who has the disease is significantly higher (based on people randomly humping)
x in a billion compared (population of the earth) to x in 10,000 for example

Define "civilised countries" i would hazard a guess to say your chance of getting a STD in a western society is significantly higher, for example Muslim countries such as Iran, Saudi etc.. would assumably have significantly lower cases than western countries

I mean civilized as in anything besides real shoddy places. There's shoddy places in civilized places too, so, well you know? Thailand, africa...i think...where there's more of a poblem and less of medicine facts.

About the contained thing, not exactly what i meant. Meant more of a, if you hump a guy from your country or you hump a guy that's been whoring in thailand or living in africa(race has nothing to do with it ), the risk is less with the guy from your country.

 

[Chronictank]

Depends on the region,
if you want to compare like for like you will take a well of region in thailand and compare it to home i doubt there will be all that much difference.

If you compare a poor region in africa to a poor region in finland (i dont know if there is welfare?) then you would be right i think, the chances of getting aids are higher in africa due to lack of medicine etc..

 

[kivik]

lol leave him toht dont waste energy on baiters

If anyone is baiting, it's tott.

And agree with tierk.

 

[Azurus]

However if you are purposfully going to questionable areas and having sex with questionable people then it is no diffeent from doing the same in your home town

If instances of aids are high in a certain country, there is more of a chance these 'questionable people' will have it, just simple statistics.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Depends on the region,
if you want to compare like for like you will take a well of region in thailand and compare it to home i doubt there will be all that much difference.

If you compare a poor region in africa to a poor region in finland (i dont know if there is welfare?) then you would be right i think, the chances of getting aids are higher in africa due to lack of medicine etc..

I did mean shoddy, as in poor, poor medicine regions compared to poor regions in wellfare nations.

And, of people coming from there to wellfare nations.

The chance is greater. Thought it wasn't THAT bad to say.

If anyone is baiting, it's tott.

And agree with tierk.

I'm not baiting, i'm giving my opinion, and as you might see from Chronics and mine discussion, i'm willing to disucss it, but i'm not willing to sit here and be called things i'm not without letting me explain my view.

 

[Chronictank]

If instances of aids are high in a certain country, there is more of a chance these 'questionable people' will have it, just simple statistics.

no... there are more poor people in certain countries so the number of people with STD's/lack of medicine is proportionatly higher when looking at the country as a whole, so yes if you go into poor areas then you are more likely to get aids
The same poor people who are unlikely to be able to afford to leave the country anyway (eastern block countries being the exception)

I doubt there is that much variation if you compare like to like at all, which will be the majority of people traveling because they can afford to

edit: aimed @ toh too

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's a fair point really.

And yes, i did generalize non-welfare countries a bit too much as "being poor altogether".

But i did mean that people who come from places where aids is a problem and people who go f*ck in those places without protection, are the main cause of AIDS spreading in heterosexual community.

But also have to take drugs and being "dumb" into consideration, it was just so norm that i didn't include it.

Hopefully that clears up some misconceptions about my "right winged" a** to tierk and Zede too.

 

[Bugz]

I must say Seel - your first post was utter crap.

The subject is much, much more diverse and widespread than you believe.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I must say Seel - your first post was utter crap.

The subject is much, much more diverse and widespread than you believe.

I think we've established that my first post was crap already...

Basing my beliefs based on that are equally crap though.

 

[Chronictank]

But i did mean that people who come from places where aids is a problem and people who go f*ck in those places without protection, are the main cause of AIDS spreading in heterosexual community.

But then the same could be said about the local populous, the same type of person would be spreading it locally. Most travellers do not go into questionable areas then bring aids back with them.. in fact i would hazard a guess that people are more cautious abroad so you are basing your view of the majority (travellers in general) on a small number. Ofc you may well be right as i am basing it on my own opinion rather than a statistic

Truth be told regarding "drugs" , i have smoked a shisha pipe in various establishments around the globe on my travels, which potentially (ableit small) chance of spreading the disease sometimes you take a calculated risk for sake of enjoying yourself.
But i am far more cautious when i am abroad than when i am at home, so i am not entirely sure your drugs example holds true either

 

[old.Tohtori]

But then the same could be said about the local populous, the same type of person would be spreading it locally. Most travellers do not go into questionable areas then bring aids back with them.. in fact i would hazard a guess that people are more cautious abroad so you are basing your view of the majority (travellers in general) on a small number.

Ich...i didn't say ALL travelers and ALL immigrants.

Maybe it wasn't implied as much as it should've been, obviously.

I'll be sure to put my posts in very very clear ways from now....

As i said later, the "norms" aren't in the post as i thought they were self evident. As in, travellers who are stupid enough to f*ck without protection etc.

 

[Chronictank]

Ich...i didn't say ALL travelers and ALL immigrants.

Maybe it wasn't implied as much as it should've been, obviously.

I'll be sure to put my posts in very very clear ways from now....

As i said later, the "norms" aren't in the post as i thought they were self evident. As in, travellers who are stupid enough to f*ck without protection etc.

i didn't imply you said all either, but you did give the impression you meant most as you seemingly made them the main cause of aids within your community
But to be quite honest that sort of person is high risk without even going abroad

 

[old.Tohtori]

i didn't imply you said all either, but you did give the impression you meant most as you seemingly made them the main cause of aids within your community
But to be quite honest that sort of person is high risk without even going abroad

Then it's the wrong impression, but the whole first post gave the wrong one as is evident.

Hensh, the need to explain.

I did however say later that ignorance is a big thing, third post or some such?

 

[Chronictank]

i don't get what you are arguing
ignorance would be a local problem, so the local person would be doing all the things abroad but at home, so as above they are already a high risk candidate if they are sharing needles having unprotected sex etc...
When they go abroad as we have established if they stay in the better off (and usually tourist area's) the chances are not that much greater than when they are at home (imo)
This is all asuming they are stupid, which is going to be a proportionately small number

 

[old.Tohtori]

i don't get what you are arguing

Well to be honest, i'm not arguing.

I'll put it in simple terms:

- Chance of getting AIDS and such is higher outside your own country when travelling and having unprotected sex in shoddy areas. (as in, if the area has higher AIDS count as with general STI/STD)
- People moving in from those parts also add to the risk.
- Having sex with people from your country, who haven't been practicing "hide the salami" in shoddy places is safer, then, having sex with people from shady places and/or people who don't use common sense.
- If a person is dumb in your own neighborhood, it's less likely to catch anything from that tool, then the tool who travels all around the world being dumb in shady places and then comes home.

Drugs and such never had anything to do with what i said.

By the by, yes, the initial post could've been mroe thought out and wider to give a full view.
Yes, i didn't know about ALL the full extent of AIDS.
Yes, i did forget drugs about it.
NO, that doesn't mean i'm a racist, right winged or ignorant.

 

[AngelHeal]

is aids a problem?

yes, world wide. Somewhere more then other places but it's a problem.