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[Jarrax]

Originally posted by thorondorito
Ah, and French Prime Time is 6 AM ?? good good.

pity it wasnt, excalibur might be working by now

Prolly put my point across badly, fact is, its a MMO, people can and will play whenever they they feel like it, servers are up 24/7 just so that people can do this.
No point continually jumping on every thread bitching about it, guess what, I bet they dont care about you or your opinions, or even read these boards.
(thank f**k they're closing imo)

Doesnt bother me in the slightest if any realm does an alarm clock raid, you wont see me attacking/defending.
Whatever floats your boat.

 

[vesta]

Originally posted by Brutalos
bleh stlong alb zerg i wanna play bouhouu

Bleh i wanna log in and tell you somethnig like;

Bjusuktallos y00 of t3h suk kiss my ass FU FO etc and stuff like that.....


Missed meh?

 

[chronictank]

How many times does the server have to crash before u realise prime time raids dont work?

The only reason the last alb rr in prime time worked was the lack of mid reaction, this time mids came online to defend.

O look.....server crashes

The raid was hardly a 5am rush.
It was 7am GMT, 8am CET .... not exactly early as most of u would be up and getin ready for work if it wasnt a holiday.

Only 2-3Fg actually bothered to defend despite being tipped off, out of the supposid 60-80 non anon people online.
The defence didnt seem coordinated at all, throughout there were gps of 3 maybe 4 charging the mid force..to an obvious end.

Flame at will, i honestly dont care.
Until the servers are good enuff to handle it, prime time raids WONT work simple as.

 

[pitspawn]

Originally posted by chronictank
The raid was hardly a 5am rush.
It was 7am GMT, 8am CET .... not exactly early as most of u would be up and getin ready for work if it wasnt a holiday.

Only 2-3Fg actually bothered to defend despite being tipped off, out of the supposid 60-80 non anon people online.
The defence didnt seem coordinated at all, throughout there were gps of 3 maybe 4 charging the mid force..to an obvious end.

FYI prooven by camelot-europe statistics 7am is the least populated game hour of the day. If you had raided at 5am you might have had a little more resistance but im sure the point of raiding at 7am was to avoid resistance right?

60-80 were online yes of which only a fraction were rvr capable.
There are no excuses for raiding at 7am, its lame, so just fucking admit it.

Alb had the decency to take the relics at primetime, hib have done the same. Mid are obviously spineless dispite all them having easymode, guess you want easymode RR too though.

 

[telaron]

Originally posted by chronictank
How many times does the server have to crash before u realise prime time raids dont work?

Well it survived the last 3 alb ones, 2 successfull and one failed. It survived the failed mid attempt and it has managed well during the hib ones.


But serisoulsly, we shouldn't bother with relics, Mythic should switch the realms wich owns them every 3'rd day so. Figuring out wich day each realm will have them next time will take about as much effort as an alarmclock raid.

 

[Rav]

But genuine primetime raids are virtually impossible

Hibs did one on mid starting at 9:15pm ending around 11:00pm, it was one of the best planned raids I've ever been on and Mids did turn up to defend because it was primetime, but we had groups cutting them off on their way

What was wrong with this .. Oh yes we took the relic through Doden's which mid didn't realize you could do. Therefore we were cheating fucks and it wasn't a legit RR and so we should be alarm clocked :great:

Iirc we weren't, because mid didn't really want the power relics more than the STR ones which they still had at the time.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Rav
Hibs did one on mid starting at 9:15pm ending around 11:00pm, it was one of the best planned raids I've ever been on and Mids did turn up to defend because it was primetime, but we had groups cutting them off on their way

What was wrong with this .. Oh yes we took the relic through Doden's which mid didn't realize you could do. Therefore we were cheating fucks and it wasn't a legit RR and so we should be alarm clocked :great:

Iirc we weren't, because mid didn't really want the power relics more than the STR ones which they still had at the time.

hehehe started at 8:20, I timed the dupe login for 8:00.

 

[chronictank]

a level 10 with a catapult inside the relic keep is as effective as a lvl 50

im not saying such a raid is fair and right, but our raid didnt crash the server. \im glad it happened at thsi time as it gave me a chance to be part of a rr, whereas in you "prime time" i wouldnt.
ALbs didnt defend, so the ones who were online dont deserve the relic. Yet 10 mins later there are posts on bw.
The rest of u, well like i said b4, its not fair it was done so early.
shit happens

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by chronictank
How many times does the server have to crash before u realise prime time raids dont work?

So explain how EVERY realm has managed to do them in the past?

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Haldar
1. primetime RRs favor that realm with most population, as they are able to amass more ppl for attack/defence. On excal this is Albion.
http://daoc-stats.com/realmstats.php?server=Excalibur

2. Last Alb RR was a login raid. lots of albs logged for night between 1am and 4am near mjollner, then logged back in primetime and zerged Mjollner faste. Such is on the same board with alarmclock raid for me -- hardly involves good tactics, strike force movements and so on. Read it again if u want.
http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?threadid=92292&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

ps. flame if u want. i dont care.

no flames

1. hib to mid percentage ratio is equal to mid to alb, so by your reckoning, hib should not have been able to pull off our last raid. In fact in the weeks leading up to the raid, mid quite frequently bought 200 people up against 80-100 hibs while we were taking keeps in the frontier.

2. Login raids were in fact first used on this server by Mid, after which alb used it. How are log in raids lame for alb and not for mid? The last 3 successful hib raids had no log in, except for the last one where we duped and got 5fg's to log in as bait for a realm spy, which worked.

Over the last few months, all I have seen is Mid dangling carrots to Albion with regards to raiding and counter-raiding. Promises about adhering to prime time if Albs do the same. Every raid Midgard has found another excuse to break those promises, and now there are just more excuses.

 

[jaapi]

Originally posted by Maghica
Just a small question:
Since this is a WorldWide game, we all have a different view of 'primetime' so ... who is to say that YOURS is the right one?

When you are trying to talk about something, first you need to know the consept of the word.

Primetime is the time when most players are online, it's not defined by individuals.

 

[Brutalos]

ahahah ice u pwned me damn u kobieh

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Jarrax
pity it wasnt, excalibur might be working by now

Prolly put my point across badly, fact is, its a MMO, people can and will play whenever they they feel like it, servers are up 24/7 just so that people can do this.
No point continually jumping on every thread bitching about it, guess what, I bet they dont care about you or your opinions, or even read these boards.
(thank f**k they're closing imo)

Doesnt bother me in the slightest if any realm does an alarm clock raid, you wont see me attacking/defending.
Whatever floats your boat.

it's not the alarm clock raid that's the real problem, it's the artificial inflation of one realm's population to the detriment of the other 2 realms

a relic raid at 7am with people who are NORMALLY on at that time is fine imo, but that wouldn't succeed because that's probably about a total of 30 RvR active people across all realms.

 

[Haldar]

No, Albs logged off there the day before not at this time. Albs were still logging off there during the day of the raid. In 20 minutes at mjollner, only 1fg mids tried to stop our 200 people. Doesn't quite add up. The Alb RR was fantastic one, even most mids agreed with that, this one was cowardly.

still, i think that, login raid is as lame as morning one -- if we talk about lameness (read below)

Haldar, get you facts straight. You Mids did a log out raid against the Hibs! So why are Albs not allowed to do one against the Mids?! And those stats show lvl 1-50 population, not lvl 50 population. If you then take rr2 as a cutoff point (and imagine all rr2's are lvl 50) you will all of the sudden see that Midgard and Albion are very close.. Oops, lets ignore that one.
Regards, Glottis

hmmm?...

assume all RR2+ chars are 50 lvl

albion RR2+ population
1699+1128+627+355+156+66+32+15+9 = 4087

midgard RR2+ population
1413+953+565+319+169+75+32+14+4= 3544

Abion got 15.3% more RR2+ chars than Midgard. THis number is not as big as 27% of total population advantage, but it is large anyway.

1. hib to mid percentage ratio is equal to mid to alb, so by your reckoning, hib should not have been able to pull off our last raid. In fact in the weeks leading up to the raid, mid quite frequently bought 200 people up against 80-100 hibs while we were taking keeps in the frontier.

1. Mid does not need power relics as bad as str relics, due to design of realms.
2. Hibs have taken relic back thru DG as i remember, which was not guarded, unlike hmg in odins where 200+ mids stood
3. General thought in Midgard was "well, let them, it'll be easier to guard str relics" -- reasons are #1 here, inrcreased spawn of guards (75% as opposed to 50%) and Mjollner Faste is easier to get into than Grallahorn.

2. Login raids were in fact first used on this server by Mid, after which alb used it. How are log in raids lame for alb and not for mid? The last 3 successful hib raids had no log in, except for the last one where we duped and got 5fg's to log in as bait for a realm spy, which worked.

blame Alpha!
He, he started to attack Mid lowlvls at crabs! Stone him!
We could live in peace and harmony together.......

On a serious note - i dont care.
i dont keep records of successful and failed RRs and tactics used in it.
i never whined about losing relics in the past, and i do not agree when u say that we got them now with "unfair" way - that's the reason of my activity on BW now
And now i am going to enjoy relic's bonus to damage. If you want to take it from us - fine, go for it, any way you choose. And we'll try to defend them. Again, any way we choose.

To each his own.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Haldar
assume all RR2+ chars are 50 lvl

albion RR2+ population
1699+1128+627+355+156+66+32+15+9 = 4087

midgard RR2+ population
1413+953+565+319+169+75+32+14+4= 3544

Abion got 15.3% more RR2+ chars than Midgard. THis number is not as big as 27% of total population advantage, but it is large anyway.

But again, why does this mean you can't pull off a primetime relic raid? You have over 3000 RR2+ characters - are you seriously suggesting that you can't pull off a well-planned primetime raid with that number of characters available?

 

[Haldar]

Originally posted by Gordonax


But again, why does this mean you can't pull off a primetime relic raid? You have over 3000 RR2+ characters - are you seriously suggesting that you can't pull off a well-planned primetime raid with that number of characters available? [/B]

....and 4000+ alb RR2+ characters will come to defend Caer Excalibur....

ps. server max load is 3500 ppl

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Haldar
1. Mid does not need power relics as bad as str relics, due to design of realms.
2. Hibs have taken relic back thru DG as i remember, which was not guarded, unlike hmg in odins where 200+ mids stood
3. General thought in Midgard was "well, let them, it'll be easier to guard str relics" -- reasons are #1 here, inrcreased spawn of guards (75% as opposed to 50%) and Mjollner Faste is easier to get into than Grallahorn.

LOL, it's all I can say. You guys are full of wind, just one excuse after the next.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Haldar
....and 4000+ alb RR2+ characters will come to defend Caer Excalibur....

ps. server max load is 3500 ppl

Which is why you wear down the willingness of people to come and defend over a course of time, just as Killgorde did, and just as we did before our last successful raid on you.

Ardamels, Nol, Herbal and Lac have all proved that it's possible to do a successful primetime relic raid against a realm with lots of people around to defend. How come you now think that's no longer possible?

 

[Haldar]

LOL, it's all I can say. You guys are full of wind, just one excuse after the next.

ignored due to lack of logic in ur post.

Which is why you wear down the willingness of people to come and defend over a course of time, just as Killgorde did, and just as we did before our last successful raid on you.

Ardamels, Nol, Herbal and Lac have all proved that it's possible to do a successful primetime relic raid against a realm with lots of people around to defend. How come you now think that's no longer possible?

i dont know if it is possibe to do primetime RR.

but i have another question: why should we do primetime RR if we know that we'll meet a larger Albion force? Or, to the point, why fight on the terms of enemy?

U play a Minstrel. I think u will not attack Mid fg which runs past you. U will either get a group or wait for solo target. Same goes for RRs - why attack 400 ppl with 300 ppl when it is possible to attack 50 ppl with 150 ppl (sample #s). Ruining the "fun"? Certainly not for me.

 

[telaron]

Originally posted by Haldar

Same goes for RRs - why attack 400 ppl with 300 ppl when it is possible to attack 50 ppl with 150 ppl (sample #s). Ruining the "fun"? Certainly not for me.

So relics and relicsraids are all about +20%?

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Haldar
i dont know if it is possibe to do primetime RR.

They have been done, by every realm. That kind of shows it's possible, I think

but i have another question: why should we do primetime RR if we know that we'll meet a larger Albion force? Or, to the point, why fight on the terms of enemy?

U play a Minstrel. I think u will not attack Mid fg which runs past you. U will either get a group or wait for solo target. Same goes for RRs - why attack 400 ppl with 300 ppl when it is possible to attack 50 ppl with 150 ppl (sample #s). Ruining the "fun"? Certainly not for me.

That's a different question, and a different argument. The reason that alarmclock raiding is a bad thing is not that it's not effective: it is, you get the relics. In that sense, it's good tactics.

What's bad, though, is that if it becomes the standard way of getting relics, there will be no more primetime raids. No one in their right mind is going to take the weeks of planning and work that doing a primetime raid entails, when they know that the next morning the relics will be gone again, as someone will have set their alarms for 4am and taken them undefended.

That means that the only people who get to go on relic raids are the ones that can get up at obscence hours during the week - ie a small minority of players. For the majority, the fun of taking part in a relic raid is gone, completely.

That's why it's a bad thing: not that it's somehow "unfair" or unsporting or whatever, but that it simply removes all the point of relics being their. Relic raids are supposed to be the pinnacle of RvR, taking lots of planning and work to pull off. Alarmclock raids effectively take all that out of the game, and make it less fun.

 

[Haldar]

So relics and relicsraids are all about +20%?

aye.

i will get my share of roleplaying fun (sense of achievement, sense of realm united, sense of victory) anyway - no matter was it primetime raid, login raid, morning raid, ninja raid, make-a-tunnel-and-blow-down-the-walls-with-TNT raid.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Haldar
make-a-tunnel-and-blow-down-the-walls-with-TNT raid.

Shit! When did you see our plans for the raid we were going to do on Hib?

Anyway, that's enough, it's 8.52am here and I'm off down the shop to buy DAoC US+ ToA as I'm sick of paying money to Goa for crap customer service...

 

[Haldar]

They have been done, by every realm. That kind of shows it's possible, I think

well...ok.


That's a different question,...... <skipped>......and make it less fun.

i think that sometime ppl will get tired of pingponging relics, and situation will stabilize itself.

i can support primetime raids on one and only one condition: fixed ratios of attackers and defenders (say, 5A:4D), to remove the advantage of overpopulation. but this is impossible. And if it were possible - daoc would be like boxing, with fixed set of rules, not like war when all is allowed. Daoc would lose all its fun.

Shit! When did you see our plans for the raid we were going to do on Hib?

Pray to Loki, young padawan!

 

[sorre]

LOL some of u mids even try 2 excuse u with that a lot of ppl playing this game use diff timezones = no alarmclock raid . What i know as a Swede is that 7am gmt on a staurday moring is a alarmclock raid . That raid was definatly made of 99% schoolchildren that have a vacation atm and r Swedish. So im not supriced due 2 poor school education that these children dont have the knowhow and intellegence 2 understand more then a alarmbuzz on a clock

 

[Haldar]

lamer.

raid was on Saturday morning, and do u know that Saturday is a part of weekend, when all people are resting from school/job? So holiday whine is irrelevant here, everyone could attend it.

lol.