agreement?

[delay]

i'm what i think is referred to as a 'casual player'...
(as english isn't my primary language, i might be wrong about the meaning of that expression)

anyway, i've been playing DAoC for nearly a year now, and i have never (until today) heard of any 'agreement' besides the ones you accept every time you start the game, so i just want to know
- what is this agreement? what does it say? who signed it? etc
- are everybody that play on excal supposed to oblige to it, even thought they never ever hear of it?

just in the RRs shade, i want to add a little note:

i find it disturbing that people actually say all mids that participated in the RR are "wankers"...

i've read that someone meant the last Alb RR was the reply to a dare started by Mid, and that Mid were wrong to do an alarmclock raid.
if you look away from the "agreement", there would be nothing wrong in the alarmclock raid, as Mid have already tried (and failed) on a prime-time raid?

...drifted abit off the subject there, which really is what i want to know

Good night albs, hibs and mids! sleep tight, we know there will be another Midgard hell-day tomorrow, don't we?

( oh right, with Excal down, we don't =/ )

 

[quinthar]

There is no agreement, there was no agreement, Mids simply suggested on many occaisions albs could not do a prime time raid, we do a good prime time raid and then the mids resort to an alarm clock raid.

Practise what they preach might be a good thing, but they can relic raid all they like, thats what the game is all about.

Its just a shame that our fun in odins was curtailed yet again but some sad tosser(s) that cant give us a decent server.

 

[ChillyDawg]

just ignore the people who call all mids wankers in one breath and then albs as having honour in another. Ofc, SOME mids ARE wankers, just as albs an hibs are too, also theres most certainly albions who have very few scruples when it comes to deceny and honour, just read these fucking boards. Just ignore the bollocks here, its 99% just that, bollocks.

 

[bult]

"the agreement" is more about having some common decency and wanting to have a fun server to play on. Its not fun to have relic ping pong during nights when you cant defend them. Not fun for the ones loosing and not fun for the ones taking the relics. It IS allowed to raid 24/7 but it is still lame.

If you dont want to fight enemys and just have it easy all the time i dont really understand why you want to play this game at all. Can just play quake singleplayer with godmode cheat.

 

[Aybabtu]

Imho it's not that much of an agreement but more of a public opinion shared by many DAoC members from all 3 realms that basicly setting and alarm clock to wake you up in the middle of the night to avoid any form of defence is the wrong way of doing relic raids.

Oh and Albs had failed alot of prime time raids before pulling it of, not mids fail once which shouldn justify setting the alarm clock again.......again.......

 

[elewyth]

Originally posted by bult
"the agreement" is more about having some common decency and wanting to have a fun server to play on. /

its more like an agreement to suit those who only play after 5pm, well sorry as you already said this is a 24/7 game and youd be suprised how many people dont actually read BW, tbh people should just stop whining about it and live with the fact like i said 3-4 months ago, it people want to do alarm clock raids, you can whine all you want but its their RIGHT to do it, and just as you may not accept a lot of things in life theres shit all you can do about it, no-body cares that you whine, no-body cares if it spoils YOUR game, afterall theyre doing something to enjoy, they got what they wanted from the game, now you go do what you enjoy.

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by quinthar
There is no agreement, there was no agreement, Mids simply suggested on many occaisions albs could not do a prime time raid, we do a good prime time raid and then the mids resort to an alarm clock raid.

Practise what they preach might be a good thing, but they can relic raid all they like, thats what the game is all about.

Its just a shame that our fun in odins was curtailed yet again but some sad tosser(s) that cant give us a decent server.

actually albs did 2 succesfull primetime raids, we had 0 relics, we took first one ( the lame ninja one with belomar movie ), and then the last 2 ( the lame logout one with 900 albs )within a period of 2-3months.
and then you have ladonna who got owned too many times in FG fights and keepdefences xD

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by elewyth
its more like an agreement to suit those who only play after 5pm, well sorry as you already said this is a 24/7 game and youd be suprised how many people dont actually read BW, tbh people should just stop whining about it and live with the fact like i said 3-4 months ago, it people want to do alarm clock raids, you can whine all you want but its their RIGHT to do it, and just as you may not accept a lot of things in life theres shit all you can do about it, no-body cares that you whine, no-body cares if it spoils YOUR game, afterall theyre doing something to enjoy, they got what they wanted from the game, now you go do what you enjoy.

In other words, piss on everybody with alarm clock raids if you can't cut primetime :great:

 

[Rav]

It wasn't so much as an agreement as an accepted fact that if Realm A gets up at 5am to relic raid Realm B there won't be any resistance. Therefore it's the easy way of doing things and requires very little in the way of tactics and planning, aside from telling people when to log in.

Sadly, this means that Realm B will undoubtably be pissed off at the cowardice of Realm A, and will subsequently do a similarly timed early morning / late night raid on Realm A to get those relics back.

Realm A will probably do the same, and it'll continue till people get bored and stop raiding or quit the game. So it's a catch 22 situation, if one realm Alarm Clock's another, they're going to lose their ill-gotten relics in the same way...

But if people agree only to raid during primetime hours (which are always argued over by the same fuckwits, mainly Ekydus) then raids can be defended against and need a serious amount of planning and tactics, the way a large scale raid with such a massive reward should do. Things were better when this agreement was honoured, relics changed hands only when there was an original or particularly good plan to get them, rather than every 3-4 days.

But people don't seem to adhere to it anymore, so I'm glad I forgot to pay my account this month :great:

 

[bult]

Originally posted by elewyth
its more like an agreement to suit those who only play after 5pm, well sorry as you already said this is a 24/7 game and youd be suprised how many people dont actually read BW, tbh people should just stop whining about it and live with the fact like i said 3-4 months ago, it people want to do alarm clock raids, you can whine all you want but its their RIGHT to do it, and just as you may not accept a lot of things in life theres shit all you can do about it, no-body cares that you whine, no-body cares if it spoils YOUR game, afterall theyre doing something to enjoy, they got what they wanted from the game, now you go do what you enjoy.

yes but the question is:

Do i want to play easymode without even having to think to win? Do i want to play a game without enemys or any chance of loosing?

if yes then go ahead raid at 7am. Makes you kind of a sad bastard tho but its your choice.

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by delay

if you look away from the "agreement", there would be nothing wrong in the alarmclock raid, as Mid have already tried (and failed) on a prime-time raid?

Delay: As a casual player, you have most to lose from the prospect of more alarmclock raids. Why? Because it means you'll NEVER get to take part in a relic raid yourself.

Once relics start shifting hands early in the morning - and all sides will do it, if it happens again - there will be no more prime time raids. Who is going to go to the trouble of organising a primetime raid, when 3fg of enemies will take relics back by next morning?

That means, unless you're prepared to use your own alarm clock - and as a casual player I doubt that - you will never go on a relic raid.

Is it clear now why alarmclock raids are A Bad Thing?

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by delay

if you look away from the "agreement", there would be nothing wrong in the alarmclock raid, as Mid have already tried (and failed) on a prime-time raid?

Delay: As a casual player, you have most to lose from the prospect of more alarmclock raids. Why? Because it means you'll NEVER get to take part in a relic raid yourself.

Once relics start shifting hands early in the morning - and all sides will do it, if it happens again - there will be no more prime time raids. Who is going to go to the trouble of organising a primetime raid, when 3fg of enemies will take relics back by next morning?

That means, unless you're prepared to use your own alarm clock - and as a casual player I doubt that - you will never go on a relic raid.

Is it clear now why alarmclock raids are A Bad Thing?

 

[Ravenbourne]

fact is most of mid cried like children when albs took their relics early they then got them back and an un-official agreement was made to only relic raid at reasnable times. Albion humiliated Midgard by pulling off a prime time raid. Midgard chose the cowardly and easy route and logged on at 7am to get them back. I am sure they would cry again if albion alarm clock raided them.

NB Not all of Midgard were involved in this and i believe some are actually ashamed

 

[Brutalos]

Agreed tottaly with you peeps, i would be pissed the same way as you if i was alb. The thing is, those relics are surely one of the main reasons we hate each other so much

 

[Brutalos]

Btw i try to log in and it says that authorization server is down (more likely UNAVAILABLE) , anyone know why?

 

[acei]

Originally posted by Brutalos
Btw i try to log in and it says that authorization server is down (more likely UNAVAILABLE) , anyone know why?

Cause it crashed last night during the keep raid

 

[Brutalos]

bleh stlong alb zerg i wanna play bouhouu

 

[Ravenbourne]

The goa hamster is sick

 

[Galiryn]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
The goa hamster is sick

goa hamster needs 24h service.

 

[delay]

cheers, explained a lot there.

 

[Haldar]

1. primetime RRs favor that realm with most population, as they are able to amass more ppl for attack/defence. On excal this is Albion.
http://daoc-stats.com/realmstats.php?server=Excalibur

2. Last Alb RR was a login raid. lots of albs logged for night between 1am and 4am near mjollner, then logged back in primetime and zerged Mjollner faste. Such is on the same board with alarmclock raid for me -- hardly involves good tactics, strike force movements and so on. Read it again if u want.
http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?threadid=92292&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

ps. flame if u want. i dont care.

 

[Jarrax]

Not that i really care.
But genuine primetime raids are virtually impossible.
Alarm clock raids are a bit wank.
Log-in ninja raids, even at primetime, are still wank.

Last time i saw the power relics was when hibernia got them, working behind a sheild of 100's of albs, and the general feeling was to let them go, and not lose str relics to albs, trying to save power ones.

Fact is, the game/server cannot handle the large scale warfare that mythic want. Even if the server stayed up last night...an couple hours at 1fps is hardly fun.

The so called agreement is a joke anyway, 1000's of people from different timezones all play this game. Just because some choose to play outside some of the more vocal residents self imposed time frame, they get slated. Get over it, and get over yourselves.

Buffbots ruin this game far more than some people playing at a different time.

my opinion of course, before you start thinking my view is the whole of midgards.

 

[Maghica]

Just a small question:
Since this is a WorldWide game, we all have a different view of 'primetime' so ... who is to say that YOURS is the right one?

:merlin:

 

[acei]

Originally posted by Maghica
Just a small question:
Since this is a WorldWide game, we all have a different view of 'primetime' so ... who is to say that YOURS is the right one?

:merlin:

Excalibur is a English server and is aligned to GMT.

 

[Jarrax]

Originally posted by acei
Excalibur is a English server and is aligned to GMT.

Excalibur is an English speaking language server..and worked on according to french time. (usually last as well)

 

[telaron]

Originally posted by Jarrax
1000's of people from different timezones all play this game.

Well these are euroservers you know. Even though there are a few americans and asians around the number of players outside the timeframe gmt(-1) - gmt(+1) can't be that many.
Or are you going to tell me the mid relic force was really americans who just got him from work?

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by Haldar
1. primetime RRs favor that realm with most population, as they are able to amass more ppl for attack/defence. On excal this is Albion.
http://daoc-stats.com/realmstats.php?server=Excalibur

2. Last Alb RR was a login raid. lots of albs logged for night between 1am and 4am near mjollner, then logged back in primetime and zerged Mjollner faste. Such is on the same board with alarmclock raid for me -- hardly involves good tactics, strike force movements and so on. Read it again if u want.
http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?threadid=92292&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

ps. flame if u want. i dont care.

No, Albs logged off there the day before not at this time. Albs were still logging off there during the day of the raid. In 20 minutes at mjollner, only 1fg mids tried to stop our 200 people. Doesn't quite add up. The Alb RR was fantastic one, even most mids agreed with that, this one was cowardly.

 

[thorondorito]

Originally posted by Maghica
Just a small question:
Since this is a WorldWide game, we all have a different view of 'primetime' so ... who is to say that YOURS is the right one?

:merlin:

im sure 6 AM is the prime time for about 400 midis on an european server, right?

 

[thorondorito]

Originally posted by Jarrax
Excalibur is an English speaking language server..and worked on according to french time. (usually last as well)

Ah, and French Prime Time is 6 AM ?? good good.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by Haldar
1. primetime RRs favor that realm with most population, as they are able to amass more ppl for attack/defence. On excal this is Albion.
http://daoc-stats.com/realmstats.php?server=Excalibur

2. Last Alb RR was a login raid. lots of albs logged for night between 1am and 4am near mjollner, then logged back in primetime and zerged Mjollner faste. Such is on the same board with alarmclock raid for me -- hardly involves good tactics, strike force movements and so on. Read it again if u want.
http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?threadid=92292&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

ps. flame if u want. i dont care.

Haldar, get you facts straight. You Mids did a log out raid against the Hibs! So why are Albs not allowed to do one against the Mids?! And those stats show lvl 1-50 population, not lvl 50 population. If you then take rr2 as a cutoff point (and imagine all rr2's are lvl 50) you will all of the sudden see that Midgard and Albion are very close.. Oops, lets ignore that one.
Regards, Glottis