AGP Vs PCI

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Now Even I know that AGP is alot better than PCI but I am wondering whats best todo, as the computer im getting doesnt say that it has AGP slots on it. Some people say that it will come with them as they are standard stuff nowadays, but if it doesnt, ill need to get a PCI card :'< The Chipset included is a 865GV, and as far as i know, they dont come with them. (the computer is from Dell)

I was wondering, whats the real difference in PCI/AGP when running games like DAOC, WOW etc? Will there be a big difference in the cards I can get under £100?

I know PCI-e is out etc, but I wont be able to use one of them, (and they are expensive)

Ta in advance

 

[Fana]

Think you would be hard pressed finding a motherboard without an agp slot these days. Why dont you phone/email the store that you think about buying from, or Dell directly, and ask them?

 

[Herbal]

Theres not much difference between pci-e and agp atm, with agp comming out slightly ahead atm.

Howevere pci-e is the future of mobos and buying pci-e will help future proof your pc for upgrades in a year or two.

You really wont notice any difference on wow or daoc as any difference would only show up in the latest fps games like hl2.

As for you new pc not having agp slots give the model number n ill check if it does

Also i seriously doubt you will find any pci-e gfx card for under 100£ atm as the only pci-e cards are the newer generation cards like the 6800 series and x800 (also 6600)

 

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http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/p...8_dimen_3000_D01305?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs

That is the website for DELL where i bought my PC from (it comes on friday). It only cost £300 so I can expect to get what I pay for.

AFAIK, It wont take PCI-E, only the standard PCI.

Abit of Info about it:

DimensionTM 3000
Intel® Celeron® D Processor
Intel® 865GV chipset

More details are on the website, and as for the Model Number, I dont know where it is

Thanks

 

[frogster]

Dont buy it. Stop the purchase if you can. Right now.

 

[frogster]

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/linecard.htm (far right hand side) clearly shows this is a workstation motherboard.

It has Intels poor intergrated gfx and no AGP OR PCI-E. To quote Intel, External Gfx : N/A

You seem to want this for gaming, and PCI gfx cards just dont cut the mustard im afraid.

 

[Herbal]

Unless you have seriously next to no knowledge of pc building i seriously wouldnt buy that pc you can do better (alot better) self building.

 

[Helme]

I use a HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon 9200 128mb PCI, its working like a charm in DAoC and WoW but any other newer games it falls well behind. It even got problems playin the 2-3 year old morrowind in 1024 with shadows off! but for DAoC it works nice so if thats what you plan to play only.. I guess it works but if your after the newer stuff get AGP/PCI-E

 

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I use a HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon 9200 128mb PCI, its working like a charm in DAoC and WoW but any other newer games it falls well behind. It even got problems playin the 2-3 year old morrowind in 1024 with shadows off! but for DAoC it works nice so if thats what you plan to play only.. I guess it works but if your after the newer stuff get AGP/PCI-E

whats the cost of that card?

 

[Helme]

I bought it like 1 year ago, paid about 90€ with shipping.

 

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The thing is, Ill only be playing DAOC and WOW

Found one for £65 p&p on kelkoo :x

Ill wait till I get my computer I think to decide what to do next :x

tnx guys

 

[Herbal]

The thing is, Ill only be playing DAOC and WOW

Found one for £65 p&p on kelkoo :x

Ill wait till I get my computer I think to decide what to do next :x

tnx guys

With that mobo (pc) you can't upgrade your graphics, with the intergrated gfx im not sure you could even run daoc or wow.....

cancel it now or your wasting your cash

 

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With that mobo (pc) you can't upgrade your graphics, with the intergrated gfx im not sure you could even run daoc or wow.....

cancel it now or your wasting your cash

I cant even use a graphics card then? Im not to good with computers

 

[frogster]

I cant even use a graphics card then? Im not to good with computers

Yes you can, you can use one of your 6 PCI slots. But you will probably find your 96MB Shared memory Intel Extreme 2 is better..... and thats saying something :x

 

[Herbal]

pci gfx cards make baby jesus cry :<

 

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With the Card that Helme stated though, would WOW/DAOC work ok?

 

[Sycho]

Get a bundle from www.overclockers.co.uk for around £300 and add a radeon 9700 pro with it, this is a very good gfx card and is £91 from there.You can get an athlon 3500 bundle+good board+512mb ram for around £320 off there or a pci express p4 bundle for around £240-280, but if you get pci-express p4 bundle make sure the gfx card is pci-express too, i would just get agp really since pci-express will not be working it's full potential until a few years time.If you after a good pc with all parts you can build a decent one for £500-600 without a monitor, with a monitor £700-800.

 

[Chilly]

i got a PCI-e card for £60 from scan, huge performance difference from my old 9000 mobility in my laptop so i couldnt give a fuck if its the cheapest one about - just saying you can get em for <£100

 

[Herbal]

With the Card that Helme stated though, would WOW/DAOC work ok?

I used to have a 9200 its an effects none n pray you dont meet a zerg card, itll work just dont expect to handle big zergs well ie no keep seiges if u dont want to have a slideshow

 

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Thinking more positivly, this computer Runs WOW and used to run classical daoc (lol), TOA/NF killed it for me, which is a good job as i couldnt play it. This spec for this computer is:

600Mhz
Gefore 2 (pci)
330Ram
Celeron(again)
20Gig HD

Yes its very very crap and very very old, but as i said, it can run WOW reasonably well in most areas. It really lags in Stormwind and Ironforge etc, just like it would in Camelot etc.

Would there be a difference if i put the gefore 2(32mb) in my comp rather than the 128 gforce 9200?

 

[Chilly]

the gforce 2 has 1/4 the memory the 9200 does - this will a) reduce your resolution choice and colour depth b) decrease performance all accross the board c) suck

why not try with the old gforce 2 and see if its acceptable, if it isnt, there are a lot of cheapo pci cards about that offer much better performance for considerably less than £100

 

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Yeh I think I am going to try that Chilly, I like the looks of the 9200Excaibur one Helme pointed out, might just go along with that.

Thanks for Advice guys

<beer emote>

 

[Invisibul]

TBH m8s

PCI-X = all

Reasons for this;

16x
Now SLI nVidia cards, having 2 6800 Ultra's in your machine never need to upgrade again.

 

[Ballard]

never need to upgrade again.

Hehe I dont think so.. Thats what they said when the first 3D cards came out that allowed you to hook 2 together in parallel about 5 years ago.

 

[UndyingAngel]

Hehe I dont think so.. Thats what they said when the first 3D cards came out that allowed you to hook 2 together in parallel about 5 years ago.

Voodoo2 Card where the daddy back in the day I have 2 of them in an old PC.. in the corner which I play old games on xD

and tbh they would run anything you threw at them.. but new effects and l8er verions of Direct X etc... its ashame Voodoo sold out to StB and then went down hill when they tryed to make there own cards to make more money /slap bad company

 

[Vireb]

Voodoo2 Card where the daddy back in the day I have 2 of them in an old PC.. in the corner which I play old games on xD

and tbh they would run anything you threw at them.. but new effects and l8er verions of Direct X etc... its ashame Voodoo sold out to StB and then went down hill when they tryed to make there own cards to make more money /slap bad company

aye voodoo 5 will still run most games these days , was a shame went downhill as image quality of voodoo rocked for the time

 

[frogster]

Biggest problem is that PCI is a bus, AGP is a port.
PCI bus is shared with all other cards connected to it. The more cards you have, the less memory bandwidth you with have to your graphics, and the worse your performance with be.
This isnt so much of a problem if you have a large amount of video memory, as the textures can be stored there, and not loaded from memory everytime :O

You will really stuggle tho it you attach it to a TFT display, as they really have to be run at native resolution, so.. you would be screwed :l

 

[scorge]

Now Even I know that AGP is alot better than PCI but I am wondering whats best todo, as the computer im getting doesnt say that it has AGP slots on it. Some people say that it will come with them as they are standard stuff nowadays, but if it doesnt, ill need to get a PCI card :'< The Chipset included is a 865GV, and as far as i know, they dont come with them. (the computer is from Dell)

I was wondering, whats the real difference in PCI/AGP when running games like DAOC, WOW etc? Will there be a big difference in the cards I can get under £100?

I know PCI-e is out etc, but I wont be able to use one of them, (and they are expensive)

Ta in advance

there is also PCI - express which some of the new GFX cards use, but you need a recent MOBO otherwise it wont be on it

 

[Danya]

TBH m8s

PCI-X = all

Reasons for this;

16x
Now SLI nVidia cards, having 2 6800 Ultra's in your machine never need to upgrade again.

Er, PCI-X = lame. PCI-E = good, PCI-X is NOT PCI-Express, there's another standard, called PCI-X.

Theres not much difference between pci-e and agp atm, with agp comming out slightly ahead atm.

Less crack herbal. PCI-E is twice the speed of AGP in raw bandwidth terms and much higher in practice due to some quirks of the AGP bus, and it's lower latency to boot; it's much better than AGP.

 

[Cyviel]

You seem to want this for gaming, and PCI gfx cards just dont cut the mustard im afraid.

that is the biggest load of balls ive ever read.. dont talk shit about a product youve never used... i bought that same system 3 weeks ago i added my own PCI 128mb GFX card and it runs faster than my old system used to.. theres nothing wrong with PCI gfx cards... yes it comes with a shitty internal gfx built in... doesnt mean u can not use it... the pci gfx i have now is no different in terms of FPS or what it can handle.. that my old AGP card.