against CoC or not?

[ogmonda]

i want to know u r opinion on smth.: me and my group where hunting Zahur.. but smth went wrong and almoust all group was dead except 1 healer who did not logged or disband or runaway from that area. we manage to kill all zahur minions and theri energy's so only Zahur left allive with 60 % hp. the problem is we got killed 1 healer survived, when 2 guys, Noelle (from valvarens) healer, and Crazy (unguilded) spirtimaster ml9 pet, passed by us (while we was rezzing) and start pulling and killing Zahur. Well i am wondering this isn't against Code of Conduct thing?
P.S this is the second time when this guy do the same thing, we kill minions we die @ zahur and he came and kill zahur.

 

[Flow]

I thought the days of this kinda thing were over, but obviously some sad, pathetic, useless idiots and did i mention sad?, reprobates have to go out there way to try and make a quick plat. This Crazy twat obviously seen us wiping and decided to do as he did before and sneak in and kill zahur after we did the work, and yes we did have a member still alive in grp who was rezzing. Against CoC or not, this is simply out of order. They obviously couldn't do the while enc as pair so decided to wait till the time was right, why not wait till you get to the enc with a grp and do it and not have get in the way of other ppls efforts. A member of valravens, noelle was there too, neither would talk to me in pm's. I sure would love to meet these people in the street. ¬_¬

 

[Awarkle]

actually its quite possible its against the coc, generally the rules state if you pull a mob then its yours anyone coming by and attacking your mob without your permision is in effect kill stealing and i beleive its against the coc.

in this instance it would seem that although your team was wiped all but the healer then technically you were still doing the artifact encounter and thuse when mr (whatever) and his ml9 friend came and killed zahur they were possibly breaking the COC. what you should do is if you have screenshots / times then send it to goa as a rightnow request.

if you had been totally wiped out then i would have said "sorry tough luck you got wiped someone else came by" but as your healer was still active and up i think its a bit more grey area and would need goa to take a look at it.

Right now it with the times the zone and the date + the names of the person who took the artifact encounter and let them decide.

 

[Limitless]

Dont die then? you were a full group and couldnt kill it..
i.e it was unpulled and at 100% health when we engaged.

Wouldnt have made a difference if you had a crew on stand-by in haven of stygia, ready to resque you.

you wiped..
..we came.. we saw.. we conquered..

Oh and Flow, if you want my address for an RL confrontation pm me and I'll give it to you

 

[ogmonda]

thx on u r advice and yes a guildie did manage to do ss.

 

[Olgaline]

Right now it,

 

[Chosen]

I'm not sure, but I think it is against the CoC. And tbh, I hate greedy f***tards like that ruining the fun for others. And to you that stole the mob, have you ever heard about something called moral?

Well, all I can advice you to is to report this to the GMs. And then cross your fingers and hope they will be suspended for a week or two!

Regards, Chosen

 

[Gungo]

Against CoC imo, Rightnow it asap, let GoA deal with it.

 

[illu]

In the process of Rightnow-ing it now. Just finished compiling all the screen shots and lucky for you, my gamecam vid went wrong capturing a non-important part :/ But there is enough evidence to prove that we had a rezzer alive, that we were on Zahur and that Crazy and Noelle just came along and added on Zahur while we were still "doing the encounter".

Fed up of Lame Idiots that think that they can do what they want, spoiling other people's game. I used to think Noelle was a nice guy :/ It's so petty, it's a bloody game, and I have to waste my time when I could be playing, because idiots have to spoil things.

Oli - Illu

 

[illu]

Ok it has been submitted. It's in the lap of the gods. Hopefully something will be done so that others are warned to play fair, and not steal mobs from groups still "doing the encounter".

Oli - Illu

 

[Gungo]

Hope you get the outcome you are looking for

 

[eggy]

If the encounter had not reset, ie Zahur was not on 100% and completely deaggroed a wiped BG, they were breaking the COC.

I believe Crazy has been traded many times, don't forget to include that in the Rightnow

 

[Cruhar]

I've had something smiliar happened to me, and right-now'ed it...

Was told even if you had killed the adds, only leaving the main mob alive, then get wiped with one or two ressers alive, its not against the CoC if the main moblet have de-aggroed. eg. returned to his location of spawn.

So if Zahur had killed you lot, and deaggroed (I presume that as you write you had a healer alive and in group) he is free for grabbing :<

 

[Fenderon]

was zahur at 100% health again when they started attacking it or still around 60%?

 

[rampant]

Oh and Flow, if you want my address for an RL confrontation pm me and I'll give it to you

WOW - what a wanker :touch:

 

[illu]

The mob had finished killing off most of the people and was making his way back to his stone.
The encounter as I see it is killing zahur + HIS MINIONS. We'd killed the minions, and I was rezzing the group as zahur was going back to his stone. I definitely had at least 2 people up by the time zahur got to his stone and his health was obviously regenerating.
I wasn't being particularly quick as you don't expect 2 people to come along and start attacking the main mob after you have done all the hard work.
As far as I am concerned, there is NO WAY that Crazy and Noelle could have done the encounter as a 2-man group, hell, Zahur almost killed Noelle just after they started attacking it.
They came in, and stole Zahur as I was rezzing the group, which frankly is not on, and they deserve to be punished.
By the time I had rezzed a few people, obviously Zahur was on 100%, and we were about to continue our attack - when we saw Noelle and Crazy had started attacking him.
Lame players like this need to be made examples of.

Oli - Illu

 

[eggy]

As far as I am concerned, there is NO WAY that Crazy and Noelle could have done the encounter as a 2-man group, hell, Zahur almost killed Noelle just after they started attacking it.

Actually you can do Zahur (and minions) with 1 ML10 spiritmaster and bot, easy. Easy peasy.

 

[Chronictank]

It is against the coc afaik, you weren't wiped because the healer was still alive and the encounter hadn't reset therefore you were technically still "doing it"

 

[Chronictank]

Actually you can do Zahur (and minions) with 1 ML10 spiritmaster and bot, easy. Easy peasy.

Using titons is against the coc
i know someone who got a slap on the wrist for it

Stupid rules since it has very little other use in PVE but hey thats goa for you

 

[illu]

Actually you can do Zahur (and minions) with 1 ML10 spiritmaster and bot, easy. Easy peasy.

Is that with that ML9 super pet thing?
And how do you get aggro off the healing bot with the damage Zahur causes?

Anyway - I look as the Zahur encounter as Zahur + his minions, and fair enough, Noelle and Crazy could have had a pop at Zahur if we ALL died, but the fact we still had a rezzer alive, says to me that we were still actively fighting zahur, and until we were all dead - they should not have pinched zahur.
The fact that we had been there fighting zahur and his minions for a good 30+ minutes, and then they sweep in to finish zahur off in 5-10 mins while we watched, not believing our eyes, it was just wrong.

Oli - Illu

 

[eggy]

Using titons is against the coc
i know someone who got a slap on the wrist for it

Stupid rules since it has very little other use in PVE but hey thats goa for you

Hmm I don't see why...I'll investigate.

 

[Chronictank]

Hmm I don't see why...I'll investigate.

bug abusing aparently as thats not how they are intended to be used

 

[Raila]

Noelle = Crazy

 

[Kalba]

bug abusing aparently as thats not how they are intended to be used

According to that logic, ml9 pets are prohobited aswell. Should've banned everyone who pulled cyrek thorough wall/with catapult. what about issorden and the freezsing skellies?

what a wank to ban or slap people for that.

or not wait

If we say something is "working as intended" it is so only until we in some way change it so that it was actually meant to be, we just dont want the players to know that we are really clueless about our game

 

[Eeben]

Cba to read it all can tell you i got banned for almost same thing so guess its against coc Pulled som mob after encounter was restartet after a grp was died but they had a rezer alive in the bg so i got 3 day ban for it so guess this is the same thing..

 

[Killswitch]

Have they updated the CoC to cover encounters now? It always used to say that you couldn't hit a mob that someone else had hit. That seems to leave a lot of grey area around. What about BaF adds that haven't been hit yet? Or encounters (like Zo for example). If another group speeds in and starts PBAOEing on the last wave of mobs, after your group kills the first 7, where do we stand?

Sure, the GMs are there to provide some impartial refereeing of such things, but while the rules are so hazy, people are going to try to get whatever they can at the expense of others.

One easy way of fixing this would be to put artifacts and 'super-loot' mobs into instances. Make it so you can only enter each instance once every 48 hours (for example). Depending on the encounter difficulty, make the instances solo, group or BG.

Dunno what others think...I just reckon that as long as rules are flexible, people will try to bend them until they creak.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Id ban him just for being a selfish, greedy twat.

 

[Overdue]

Aye everybodies played Crazy including me:>

My friend had that account aswell;o

Yeah kind of harsh, we wiped cos the minions repopped randomly then I had to go :<

 

[Herjulf]

What really matters if its a CoC breach or not is:

is the encounter still ongoing, as someone still having aggro from zahur or one of the adds?

If not it dont matter if zahur is at 5% hp or 100% hp. aslong as the mob is not aggro vs one in your grp its up for grabs.
Im sorry but thats the sad truth.

Then there might ofcourse have been some sort of show of respect from the farmer in question, letting you keep trying it and pass on to the next encounter. But thats very rare.

 

[Z^^]

Great thread meights.