AD tried it again

[Gordonax]

it's so nice of you to put words in my mouth, because when have i ever said stfu whining n00b? that's a vile and odious lie..

Oh, I'm sorry - I thought when you said "waah waah waah, they tried to or "stole" MY artifact. waaah waaah waaah, they said this and did that, i'm telling mommy" you were saying exactly that. Sure sounds like it to me.

so once again, flawed assumptions of things you know nothing about. if i were you, i'd just be quiet until you do. we didn't know they were there and if they would've explained that they were, i would certainly have excused myself for making a pull so they almost wiped. but they just came running and didn't resurrect us when we wiped and took off. so that pretty much removes the need for an apology.

Riiiight.... so you mess up their pull, you get them killed, you don't even say sorry, and you think they should rez you? What an arrogant, ignorant, and generally stupid thing to think. OH, and that's aside from thinking that Fing shouldn't tell everyone how you behaved because he's a mod, and that if he says anything bad about you he's being "biased".

If you didn't know they were there, you should apologise - simple courtesy. But instead of doing that you have to try and act the Big Man and justify it. What's the matter - won't your online reputation cope with you actually showing that you give a toss about anyone else for once?

"I'm sorry you died. We didn't know you were there". There, see? Simple isn't it? And by not saying it, you just prove that you don't give a damn for anyone else.

 

[x1339]

QQ more random noobs.

 

[fatcat]

Oh, I'm sorry - I thought when you said "waah waah waah, they tried to or "stole" MY artifact. waaah waaah waaah, they said this and did that, i'm telling mommy" you were saying exactly that. Sure sounds like it to me.

no, i was saying something like - grow up.

Riiiight.... so you mess up their pull, you get them killed, you don't even say sorry, and you think they should rez you? What an arrogant, ignorant, and generally stupid thing to think. OH, and that's aside from thinking that Fing shouldn't tell everyone how you behaved because he's a mod, and that if he says anything bad about you he's being "biased".

they actually got us killed as much as we got them killed.

1) they didn't have to attack the mobs that we pulled, that was their own fault.

2) when we saw them comming we got confused and didn't do our thing so to speak and kite away the adds and cyrek, so we died instead to stay and sort things out. but they didn't resurrect us as i said, so that was their choice of not wanting to discuss it. hence, no apology.

3) yeah i can agree with the fact that i'm arrogant because i know i am, but i'm not ignorant in comparison with mr. knownothingtalkalot.

4) goblin should stay objectiv on fh due to his position as a moderator. he should allso close whine-threads similiar to this one, to prevent morons like yourself to get all worked up on fairytales.

If you didn't know they were there, you should apologise - simple courtesy. But instead of doing that you have to try and act the Big Man and justify it. What's the matter - won't your online reputation cope with you actually showing that you give a toss about anyone else for once?

"I'm sorry you died. We didn't know you were there". There, see? Simple isn't it? And by not saying it, you just prove that you don't give a damn for anyone else.

it's allso simple courtesy to resurrect dead people from your own realm, they could've simply done this so we could've talked about it, instead of starting a fuss and making yet another whine-thread. but it seems that people prefer to write thread after thread, which is alot like run and tell. this is something i find extremely childish.

to say that we don't care for other people are just silly since we're generally very nice to people and help out alot more then these threads tend to reveal.
writing these bash-threads says alot more about the people that write and bash, then the people that are being bashed. but i can't blaim you i guess, it's common behavior to flap your lips and interpret things without thinking.

 

[Larik]

It's interesting to hear your version of the events.

We all died and had to release, raid over. There's no way we could have rezzed you as we were having difficulties staying alive. We died as a result of your actions, and you are claiming we behaved in a manner that isn't acceptable to the playing community? I resent in no small terms the way you have refused to apologise for what happened and now are attempting to justify your position by accusing us of being in the wrong.

I've read part of the other threads on this forums concerning your guild. They lead me and I'm sure anyone else who reads this and those threads to the conclusion that you are not a very nice bunch of people. You have been showing no regard whatsoever for other people who play this game.

I'm defending myself and my friends against accusations you have leveled on us and additionally informing the community about what you actually did. If you think it's a "whine" or a "bash" and are taking it personally, then I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[fatcat]

It's interesting to hear your version of the events.

We all died and had to release, raid over. There's no way we could have rezzed you as we were having difficulties staying alive. We died as a result of your actions, and you are claiming we behaved in a manner that isn't acceptable to the playing community? I resent in no small terms the way you have refused to apologise for what happened and now are attempting to justify your position by accusing us of being in the wrong.

of course it was our actions that resulted in your death since you attacked the mobs we had pulled, it'd be our actions that resulted in someones death if lets say - we pulled danos and they jumped in between and engaged him only to get wiped. furthermore there were _two_ clerics alive and without aggro when they had killed you and was going back. i know because they were standing on my fygging corpse, but then they ran away leaving us unresurrected. the reason for why i won't apologise are quite simple, you didn't address me to speak about it before you put out a whine-thread about it, and you didn't resurrect us. to put it simple, your guild didn't want to solve this, instead they got worked up and put up a thread on fh, which we all know is the most mature way to solve a missunderstanding.

I've read part of the other threads on this forums concerning your guild. They lead me and I'm sure anyone else who reads this and those threads to the conclusion that you are not a very nice bunch of people. You have been showing no regard whatsoever for other people who play this game.

and exactly what do you base this on, 3 threads about how we've ignored people that camp artifacts, or someone that couldn't cope with the fact that if they die to an artifact or reset the encounter it's not theirs to hog? we don't have to obey your stupid camping rules, which i've said earlier that we don't care for at all. this on the other hand doesn't mean that we're the bunch of monsters you like to think we are. allthough we're more likely to screw you over then your regular carebear, because we don't have to be afraid of your forced exile treatment from the realm if we won't comply with your retarded rules. but as i've said, we've helped alot of people, given away artifacts and whatnot, but i don't see a xx pages long thread after each time we do that, nor do i expect one. they say thank you ingame, and i'm sure that if you feel like it you can say fuc'k you there too.

I'm defending myself and my friends against accusations you have leveled on us and additionally informing the community about what you actually did. If you think it's a "whine" or a "bash" and are taking it personally, then I'm sorry to hear that.

i think your whole attitude about how to solve issues, aka run and tell is pretty hillarious. then you demand an excuse from us. try addressing our gm or co-gm ingame instead, i'm sure that would've gotten you one.

 

[Gordonax]

no, i was saying something like - grow up.

Riiight, so complaining about your behaviour is childish then? So anyone that disagrees with you is a child?

they actually got us killed as much as we got them killed.

LOL yeah, of course! Why didn't I see that? It was all their fault for being their in the first place in the way of *you*! All hail the mighty fatcat! If you don't get out of the way, it's all your fault!

1) they didn't have to attack the mobs that we pulled, that was their own fault.

So one minute they're pulling and all is well and the next minute you trebuchet the camp, all hell breaks loose, someone gets confused and hits a mob... Now lets see, what's the root cause here? Let me ask you this: would that camp have been running out paste our group had you not used that treb? Simple answer, yes or no. Let's get this into your head: had you not pulled using a treb, they would not have died and may well have got an artifact.

2) when we saw them comming we got confused and didn't do our thing so to speak and kite away the adds and cyrek, so we died instead to stay and sort things out. but they didn't resurrect us as i said, so that was their choice of not wanting to discuss it. hence, no apology.

They had just watched as you caused a wipe of their group. Would you have rezzed? I don't think so.

3) yeah i can agree with the fact that i'm arrogant because i know i am, but i'm not ignorant in comparison with mr. knownothingtalkalot.

translation: "omg it's someone who doesn't just bow down and worship me because I'm really really really GODLIKE wtf????" I'm not the one here thinking it's fine to pull half a camp through another group that's already started on an artifact encounter without the remotest hint of remorse, sunshine.

4) goblin should stay objectiv on fh due to his position as a moderator. he should allso close whine-threads similiar to this one, to prevent morons like yourself to get all worked up on fairytales.

Point out what I've said that isn't true, instead of calling people "morons", "childish", "biased", saying that we need to "get a clue" and claiming that "most of you make me want to puke". Or do you not actually have any kind of opinion other than shouting "blah blah you suck"?

to say that we don't care for other people are just silly since we're generally very nice to people and help out alot more then these threads tend to reveal.

For the record, I've never had a problem with AD prior to this and I don't have a problem with the guild itself now. The people there at the time could have and should have apologised. They didn't, and now YOU - you personally - are making an arse of yourself by seeking to blame everyone except you for that.

 

[Gordonax]

of course it was our actions that resulted in your death since you attacked the mobs we had pulled, it'd be our actions that resulted in someones death if lets say - we pulled danos and they jumped in between and engaged him only to get wiped.

Except of course it was them that was halfway through the encounter and you that jumped in and started pulling.

you didn't address me to speak about it before you put out a whine-thread about it, and you didn't resurrect us. to put it simple, your guild didn't want to solve this, instead they got worked up and put up a thread on fh, which we all know is the most mature way to solve a missunderstanding.

Some of your group were spoken to at the time. Ask Judas.

we don't have to obey your stupid camping rules, which i've said earlier that we don't care for at all. this on the other hand doesn't mean that we're the bunch of monsters you like to think we are. allthough we're more likely to screw you over then your regular carebear, because we don't have to be afraid of your forced exile treatment from the realm if we won't comply with your retarded rules. but as i've said, we've helped alot of people, given away artifacts and whatnot, but i don't see a xx pages long thread after each time we do that, nor do i expect one. they say thank you ingame, and i'm sure that if you feel like it you can say fuc'k you there too.

So let me get this straight... you're not prepared to obey any of the "rules", yet you also claim that "it's allso [sic] simple courtesy to resurrect dead people from your own realm."

Until you can learn that it's simple courtesy to apologise when you're behaviour causes the death of another group, I don't think you're in any position to complain about others, do you?

 

[Carrera]

And the quote wars have begun

 

[fatcat]

my point is simple, the making of this thread instead of trying to solve it ingame cost you your apology. when it comes to the actual event, you're trying to blame us for being daft enough to attack the mobs we accidently pulled trough you. and no, i wouldn't have resurrected you, not a chance in hell - but i allso wouldn't have demanded an apology or written a whine-thread, see the difference? now how can i make this any clearer..

i and the guild are fully aware of that we owed you an apology which was what we were planning to give you when we saw you comming out with cyrek. but as this thread has already proven is that you didn't want to solve it ingame, you wanted to
take it here on fh because you don't even have the guts to speak trough pm. and yes, you not resurrecting us was the main cause for why i didn't contact you, but since it was clearly you who urged to settle this matter, one way or another you still would've gotten it if you talked to the gm or co-gm in AD instead and i repeat this for the fourth or fifth time, not written a whine-thread on fh.

"Riiight, blablabala"

no, but you can disagree with people in a childish manner, thus making you childish.

"LOL yeah, of course! Why didn't I see blablabla"

try to use your brain then, attacking 10+ cyclops which is the hardest non-named mobs in daoc ain't really a good idea eh?

"So one minute they're pulling and all is well blabla"

no they wouldn't have died without us doing that, but as much as it was our fault for pulling them trough their groups, it was theirs for attacking them. i.e. if i stand outside a gun & ammo shop and use a HUGE magnet to pull out a number of loaded rifles and guns to me, would it be very smart of you to aim those guns and rifles against your own head and pull the trigger? because that's pretty much what you did. then the survivors came running out flaming me for confusing them so much that they accidently did it..


"translation: "omg it's som blablabla"

off with the ignorant assumptions again.. you pretty much proves my point so i have nothing more to say about that.

"Point out what I've said blabla"

would your endless stream of assumptions of us and i, fit in that department? and it's funny how the only thing you seem to be intelligent enough to get out of my points about how childish it is to resort to making whine-threads all the time, and that i find that kind of behavior repulsive, is that you suck?

"For the record, I've never had a p blabla"

i think i've said many times that i understand that we did wrong, there's no doubt about it, but now i think i've allso explained why i or ad don't owe you an apology.

blabla ~~

 

[Moo]

morsan has a small penis too !!!!11

 

[Gordonax]

my point is simple, the making of this thread instead of trying to solve it ingame cost you your apology.

No, you should have apologised at the time. You didn't. Or are you saying that this thread magically travelled back through time to appear the instant the fight finished?

when it comes to the actual event, you're trying to blame us for being daft enough to attack the mobs we accidently pulled trough you. and no, i wouldn't have resurrected you, not a chance in hell - but i allso wouldn't have demanded an apology or written a whine-thread, see the difference? now how can i make this any clearer..

How about talking some sense. You could have apologised at the time. You didn't. Had you done so, I seriously doubt this thread would have appeared.

i and the guild are fully aware of that we owed you an apology which was what we were planning to give you when we saw you comming out with cyrek. but as this thread has already proven is that you didn't want to solve it ingame, you wanted to
take it here on fh because you don't even have the guts to speak trough pm.

Except that your group was contacted through PM. Did you apologise then? No.

"Riiight, blablabala"

no, but you can disagree with people in a childish manner, thus making you childish.

LOL are you being serious? You're the one throwing around the "you people make me sick", calling people morons, etc. Or is that being an adult in your book?

"LOL yeah, of course! Why didn't I see blablabla"

try to use your brain then, attacking 10+ cyclops which is the hardest non-named mobs in daoc ain't really a good idea eh?

Sorry, we're not all like you and hit exactly the right mob all the time. Oh, except of course you didn't, did you? Somehow the appearance of two of us made you all confused and you wiped. Strange how when an entire camp of mobs suddenly appears on top of us and we wipe, it's our fault, yet when two of our group appear near you they confuse you enough to do the same. You must be very easily confused.

no they wouldn't have died without us doing that, but as much as it was our fault for pulling them trough their groups, it was theirs for attacking them. i.e. if i stand outside a gun & ammo shop and use a HUGE magnet to pull out a number of loaded rifles and guns to me, would it be very smart of you to aim those guns and rifles against your own head and pull the trigger?

We don't need an analogy here: we know what the facts are.

would your endless stream of assumptions of us and i, fit in that department?

What assumptions? I've not assumed that you did anything deliberately. I'm pretty sure you didn't deliberately try to get the group killed. I'm not saying you knew the group was there (although as others have pointed out, you probably ought to have). But that doesn't mean you don't apologise for what happened.

and it's funny how the only thing you seem to be intelligent enough to get out of my points about how childish it is to resort to making whine-threads all the time, and that i find that kind of behavior repulsive, is that you suck?

Perhaps that's because you're not making your points clear. What's your point?

"For the record, I've never had a p blabla"

i think i've said many times that i understand that we did wrong, there's no doubt about it, but now i think i've allso explained why i or ad don't owe you an apology.

You've explained why you think you don't now. You haven't explained why you didn't at the time.

And no, you haven't said many times that you understand that you did wrong. As far as I can tell this is the first post where you've even said that.

 

[Belomar]

it's allso simple courtesy to resurrect dead people from your own realm

Quoted for future reference when AD returns to RvR.

 

[Xplo]

I vote that AD is the winner in this matter.

 

[Flimgoblin]

I vote that AD is the winner in this matter.

You spoiled your ballot

Personally I wanted to delete this thread the moment I saw it (before my first post so about 3 posts in) but refrained from doing so because I am a moderator here and involved with the thread. Until it degenerates into post farming I won't lock it or delete it - I'll leave that for some other mod to do.

 

[Farek]

auuuuuuu all i see is bla bla.. please blame morsan for it, he was resopnsible for the raid.

 

[fatcat]

Quoted for future reference when AD returns to RvR.

actually we've already returned to rvr, we've been out with GG two times now and it was alot of fun, i love toa rvr so far. i'm not sure if you're trying to imply
that we never resurrect people, but if you are - how do you think farek got to rr10? we actually did that on general basis before toa, and with 3 eoy it'll be alot more :]

 

[fatcat]

we let them kill us so we could get things sorted with you instead of starting to mess around with cyrek and end up getting flamed while engaging him. but since you didn't seem to want to sort anything out and just left i didn't bother to pm hb. i've already explained why i wasn't in the mood to do that. you can however think that being cold and snorting us off, (which is what you did when you didn't resurrect) is the proper behavior to be displaying if you're expecting to get an apology right away. if you had a grudge with us you should simply have addressed the GM of AD instead of taking this to FH, that is what i find extremely immature.

eod.

gl/hf.

 

[Gordonax]

we let them kill us so we could get things sorted with you instead of starting to mess around with cyrek and end up getting flamed while engaging him. but since you didn't seem to want to sort anything out and just left i didn't bother to pm hb. i've already explained why i wasn't in the mood to do that. you can however think that being cold and snorting us off, (which is what you did when you didn't resurrect) is the proper behavior to be displaying if you're expecting to get an apology right away. if you had a grudge with us you should simply have addressed the GM of AD instead of taking this to FH, that is what i find extremely immature.

I think this one's run it's course, and we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Arinvan]

well i was named already a few times - yes im the evil cleric that didnt rezz the AD ppl - blame me kick me i dont care

i'll just say what i think:

1) Afaik someone from HG msged you - i asked him if AD apologized - they didnt

2) You want us to rezz so you can apologize, you will wait years for that rezz. We was killed by an accident shit happens. You say sry - and i rezz you

3) As i see it you get us killed - so you in charge to say sry - you in charge to PM us - WTH i should msg someone to beg for a sry ? - so i can rezz him l8r on ? i WONT ever do that - and why should i do that? . And Before you dont PM me or anyone else from my party to say sry i dont rezz and wont ever do that why should i ?

 

[Belomar]

how do you think farek got to rr10?

Quoted for generally fun content.