Action taken?

[Apathy]

Answer what, Asha?

I'm feeling a bit confused. I fell asleep listening to "The Archers" and was then woken up by my nose bleeding. I'm going to stop buying Egyptian cotton for my bed and start covering it in toilet paper instead.

Requiel's examples seem sound but then you realise that they are to be taken within the current restrictions of the T&C. Even a simpleton knows you can contract for ANYTHING as long as it isn't illegal. And ignore equity for now.

The only reason you don't own your DAOC account is because...GOA says you don't and you agreed to that. The only reason you can't sell your account is because GOA says you can't...and you agreed to that. See?

The problem isn't "GOA own it all" but "We've agreed it that way".

There's also the definition of what you own. The T&C could be changed (or perhaps interpreted but I am not going to sit and read them for the purpose of analysis - I bet even Requiel hasn't done that but no need to comment since the boss might be watching) to say the player owns the character and pays GOA for storage of data on their servers. Just like web hosting - your host doesn't own the data you upload, does he? No. Because that's what you agree. It's nothing to do with the NATURE of the service, which I think a lot of people get confused with by computer games. How can you "own" a wizard?? But really there are tangible assets.

Mythic allows the selling of accounts, but not items or platinum or anything. You can imagine why - you're not paying Mythic to store data for a friar staff or 356 gold pieces.

In fact, the reason why things are this way on the EU servers can probably be summed up in two words - French lawyers.

If GOA would like to submit a claim for breach of contract, I would be most happy to receive it. However, their only record of my postal address is probably somewhere in RightNow so I don't much fancy their chances of getting it.

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[[TB] Benedictine]

Hehe Requiel you may not be a lawyer, but Apa is studying to be one ;-) But a well thought out answer both of you.

It's already hapenning and will happen - its very difficult for GOA to stop it. In fact, it's good for the game - why? Well there are only so many MMORPG'ers out there and everyone who has played one knows it's difficult to get into a mature one. The answer is obvious - take up the slack caused by people leaving the game (or those who left and regret it) by selling existing accounts. Answer = those who would not be willing to invest time can invest money to reach a state where they can begin to compete - it will still take time for them to know their character (yes to some people, money is in greater supply than time). I don't think that's a bad thing. It keeps YOU lot who continue to play with a full server

 

[Moriath]

IMO ebay isnt good for the game cause then you get ppl with a 50 char who don't know their way around the realm, don't know how to play theirchar in a group etc and get what we had last week someone in Svasud asking where yggdra was about how to get there when we were escorting the relic home.

Knowledge of the game makes a char and to most ppl buying them from ebay don't have any of that knowledge you would assume a 50 char should have.
oh and apathy your studying law you should know that all software isn't sold what you are sold is a license to use that software under the companies restrictions. You never actually own it you are just being allowed to use it but the distributor / creator.

Its all about company's protecting their intellectual property and what gives mythic /goa the right to take that access away from you via bans etc.

 

[Bolds]

One thing I find amusing is

The character transfer procedure is designed for those individuals who share an account with multiple characters on them and wish to play together at the same time

in this news that was posted on Camelot Herald. While looking at this quote made by Requiel

Originally Posted by DAoC End User Licence
A DAoC account is personal and individual. You cannot open an account in the name of a company, an association or any other legal entity without express prior written consent from GOA. You are also not entitled to give, sell, lease, lend or exchange your account under any circumstances. No virtual object, character or currency in the game may be the object of a pecuniary transaction, under any form or circumstances. Any activity of this kind may result in the application of various sanctions, including termination of the account.

and this

As far as we are concerned, we can tell you now that we will be launching the same kind of service for the EU servers

found in here it seems to me that Mythic themselves approve the breach of DAoC End User License.

If I'm not allowed to share the account info with anyone, why would this kind of service that specifically say that Mythic can transfer your brothers/sisters/sons... (well, you get the idea) character to another account even exist if it's not allowed to share the account info with anyone?

Just something I came to think of while reading.

 

[Flimgoblin]

character transfer is for moving a char from one account you own to another one....

 

[Thorwyn]

Corrcet, but the quote "The character transfer procedure is designed for those individuals who share an account with multiple characters on them and wish to play together at the same time" says that they´re refering to an account that´s being used by multiple players and that´s where they´re contradicting their own CoC.

 

[katt!]

Didn't the old EULA allow accounts to be shared with family members etc?

 

[Thorwyn]

I think yes, but they also said you´re losing any support in that case etc.