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old.Tzeentch
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pretty much sums it up
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old.LandShark
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/fails to care
You telling me no-one in hib groups ever says 'good mezz' or 'nice healing, thx' or anything??
Maybe it's cos proper CC is so rare in alb that i hear these a lot, then :>
And lol @ that thread with healers whinging their heals cost too much, you lost 20% of your power to heal someone for 600hp....
Come play a minstrel or skald and lose 40% of your power to do 300 or less damage to someone fgs...
On the other hand, I'm with the bards on that thread about people that go out of range of power/end song and then say POWERSONG like retards. Ahem.
You telling me no-one in hib groups ever says 'good mezz' or 'nice healing, thx' or anything??
Maybe it's cos proper CC is so rare in alb that i hear these a lot, then :>
And lol @ that thread with healers whinging their heals cost too much, you lost 20% of your power to heal someone for 600hp....
Come play a minstrel or skald and lose 40% of your power to do 300 or less damage to someone fgs...
On the other hand, I'm with the bards on that thread about people that go out of range of power/end song and then say POWERSONG like retards. Ahem.
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Apathy
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Hardly anyone says "Nice mezz!" because...they're too busy fucking it up.
"Woo! Did you see that mezz? Got all 14 of them! Now let's choose our targets carefu...oh, you've all gone for random tanks I see. Well, not to worry I'll just roo
Apathy was just killed by a tank who was pissing himself laughing!"
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"Woo! Did you see that mezz? Got all 14 of them! Now let's choose our targets carefu...oh, you've all gone for random tanks I see. Well, not to worry I'll just roo
Apathy was just killed by a tank who was pissing himself laughing!"
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old.Tzeentch
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mm
well, i've landed a lot of 'perfect' mezzes.. now, im happy with that
cus i know i did my job right
but i get a little annoyed when i have my endurance song running, some twat chases one gimp miles away then blames me for not having the song up, or healing or something absurd.. i usually just say 'you ran out of range' or something, but they should also try to understand
btw, lol at you dumbasses in alb who ae rooted so many times over a perfect sorc ae mezz.. sorcs: feel free to yell at them repeatedly, make sure your guilds do it also.
well, i've landed a lot of 'perfect' mezzes.. now, im happy with that
cus i know i did my job rightbut i get a little annoyed when i have my endurance song running, some twat chases one gimp miles away then blames me for not having the song up, or healing or something absurd.. i usually just say 'you ran out of range' or something, but they should also try to understand
btw, lol at you dumbasses in alb who ae rooted so many times over a perfect sorc ae mezz.. sorcs: feel free to yell at them repeatedly, make sure your guilds do it also.
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old.LandShark
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The fact that all sorcs are deeply bitter is merely coincidence. Much as is the fact that on all servers since 1.51, Hibernians have 'better tactics'
edit: t'is the forum to be whiney
edit: t'is the forum to be whiney
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Fame
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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
mm
well, i've landed a lot of 'perfect' mezzes.. now, im happy with that
but i get a little annoyed when i have my endurance song running, some twat chases one gimp miles away then blames me for not having the song up, or healing or something absurd.. i usually just say 'you ran out of range' or something, but they should also try to understand
quit the whining tzZz
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old.LandShark
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Albs do not know how to deal with CC'd enemies.
Also 90% of ice theurgs respecced air, AE root is prolly from body sorcs trying to root->debuff->mezz or something. God knows.
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Eblessair
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/cheer
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k9awya
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etc
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old.Odysseus
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Quote from yesterday:
[Group] Psyche: WHO THE FUCK WAS THE MORON THAT AOED THE 15 PPL I JUST ROOTED ?!?!?!?!?!
[Chat] Psyche: You do NOT fucking AOE on top of the CC!!!!!
That was when I gave up doing any sort of CC and just nuked the night away.
[Group] Psyche: WHO THE FUCK WAS THE MORON THAT AOED THE 15 PPL I JUST ROOTED ?!?!?!?!?!
[Chat] Psyche: You do NOT fucking AOE on top of the CC!!!!!
That was when I gave up doing any sort of CC and just nuked the night away.
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Apathy
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Mwahahaha Psyche...I have a fire wizard at lvl 45 now, just for you.
QuickBar1 = QC, AoE,AoE,AoE,AoE,AoE,/macro Doh /y Sorry! I pressed the wrong button!
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QuickBar1 = QC, AoE,AoE,AoE,AoE,AoE,/macro Doh /y Sorry! I pressed the wrong button!
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Archeon
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I've given up caring about what happens to my Mez/Stuns.
Basically if i lay them down and sombody does somthing stupid i can't be held to blame, and i let people that try to blame me know i did my job and tell them to shove it where they should store their over-bearing ego.
Thank-god most of the people i group with in RvR know that shit happens so on the rare occasion i do get flamed for various reasons everyone else jumps to my aid (unless it was a genuine cock-up on my part in which case i spend the next hour appologising to the point where their screaming for me to shut up)
Basically if i lay them down and sombody does somthing stupid i can't be held to blame, and i let people that try to blame me know i did my job and tell them to shove it where they should store their over-bearing ego.
Thank-god most of the people i group with in RvR know that shit happens so on the rare occasion i do get flamed for various reasons everyone else jumps to my aid (unless it was a genuine cock-up on my part in which case i spend the next hour appologising to the point where their screaming for me to shut up
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Jiggs
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americans are wierd, normally the first thing we say after a win is, 'nice heals when that hero was beating on me' or 'wow uber root/mezz' etc
also i see 100% people screaming at tanks: 'slam that bastard so i can nuke him' or 'get the caster!!!' etc
really i dont have a clue what this vn guy is posting about
also i see 100% people screaming at tanks: 'slam that bastard so i can nuke him' or 'get the caster!!!' etc
really i dont have a clue what this vn guy is posting about
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err0r
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You know what happens if you bitch at me... "Aragone looks wizened." ^^
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censi
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I do feel sorry for Alb in term of CC...
The Cleric is a gr8 CC class no argueing about that...
However Hibernia has Bard Druid and Wardens...
Druid and wardens (if specced correctly) are there to heal... and they do there job well.... Bards tend to Mezz first then fall back into heal mode...
Albion, has clerics friars and sorcs...
Sorcs will try and mezz then go on the offense (and there offense is weak if they are specced for good mezzed)
Friars forget that they are CC classes and charge with Stick swinging... and usually get raped... Their CC ability is wasted most times as they have an identity crisis....
Clerics are left with all the healing.....
Again though, u do have the tools there albion... You just dont quite use them right.... But I do conceed its harder (or requires more thought) to get your grps balanced between effective CC and offense....
The Cleric is a gr8 CC class no argueing about that...
However Hibernia has Bard Druid and Wardens...
Druid and wardens (if specced correctly) are there to heal... and they do there job well.... Bards tend to Mezz first then fall back into heal mode...
Albion, has clerics friars and sorcs...
Sorcs will try and mezz then go on the offense (and there offense is weak if they are specced for good mezzed)
Friars forget that they are CC classes and charge with Stick swinging... and usually get raped... Their CC ability is wasted most times as they have an identity crisis....
Clerics are left with all the healing.....
Again though, u do have the tools there albion... You just dont quite use them right.... But I do conceed its harder (or requires more thought) to get your grps balanced between effective CC and offense....
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Jiggs
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hmmm where is the cc on friars?
wtf are you on man?
wtf are you on man?
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Spamb0t
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think he meant healing
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Tranquil-
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I'll just post in my barbaric mother tongues language
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censi
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yes, if u read tzeen link its really about supprt classes....
I mean wardens arnt really a CC class, but if play properly should be a good support class etc...
Its true what I say though...
I mean wardens arnt really a CC class, but if play properly should be a good support class etc...
Its true what I say though...
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Loth
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CC = Crowd Control
A Friar would need a fookin big stick to CC a group of enemies
A Friar would need a fookin big stick to CC a group of enemies
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Arnor
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Very true, I dont play a support char but I can see what you mean. I for one have stopped relying on mezzez being perfect, and heals comming at all. That way IF i get healed, I thank em for it, and if they land a good mezz, I congratulate them, because they are the make or break of the group.
Go support!
Go support!
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hiane
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As a Support class Druid I have found that in Hib every grp I RVR with has always thanked Healers/Mezzers for Saving the group when it is extremely close.
I think the americans are not like europeans who play for the comradarie more than the uberness of a game. They seem to be more interested in who is best and can kill more quicker, than working as a team who enjoy the game for what it is " A great social gathering of new friends" who like to have a laugh and a joke while playing a game.
If a player thinks he is ever being taken for granted then he should try being married!!!!!!!! LOL
Merry Xmas and a great new Year to you all
Hiane 50 Druid
Proud member of the Hearts of Fire Alliance
I think the americans are not like europeans who play for the comradarie more than the uberness of a game. They seem to be more interested in who is best and can kill more quicker, than working as a team who enjoy the game for what it is " A great social gathering of new friends" who like to have a laugh and a joke while playing a game.
If a player thinks he is ever being taken for granted then he should try being married!!!!!!!! LOL
Merry Xmas and a great new Year to you all
Hiane 50 Druid
Proud member of the Hearts of Fire Alliance
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old.Glendower
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culture
The culture in America is that you play to win, and that everyone you ever meet or know is fundamentally on the same team you are and shares the same values (remember, america only has two borders, and both are with relatively unappealing countries...Mexico because it is lawless and nasty, and Canada because it is cold and very far for most folks).
This translates in many instances to better organiztion, better grouping, and better taking/following orders...particularly in large groups.
Also, the American people are used to having a very large population to draw from, so idiots tend to get sifted out rather quickly.
Contrast this to a reletively small population of people in Europe, many of whom dont speak very good english (you need a common frame of reference to team well), who are used to thinking in terms of tribal units, ethic groups, or little countries with a history of antagonism and isolative politics.
I hold up the introduction of the Euro as a good example of this phenomena (and that was mostly successful).
That being said, I still find the people interesting on this server, and that is why my wife and I play here. Dont really care much about being uber, or any of the rest of that BS.
Censi is a shining star in an ocean of darkness with his DF raids I think, too
The culture in America is that you play to win, and that everyone you ever meet or know is fundamentally on the same team you are and shares the same values (remember, america only has two borders, and both are with relatively unappealing countries...Mexico because it is lawless and nasty, and Canada because it is cold and very far for most folks).
This translates in many instances to better organiztion, better grouping, and better taking/following orders...particularly in large groups.
Also, the American people are used to having a very large population to draw from, so idiots tend to get sifted out rather quickly.
Contrast this to a reletively small population of people in Europe, many of whom dont speak very good english (you need a common frame of reference to team well), who are used to thinking in terms of tribal units, ethic groups, or little countries with a history of antagonism and isolative politics.
I hold up the introduction of the Euro as a good example of this phenomena (and that was mostly successful).
That being said, I still find the people interesting on this server, and that is why my wife and I play here. Dont really care much about being uber, or any of the rest of that BS.
Censi is a shining star in an ocean of darkness with his DF raids I think, too
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StormriderX
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A quote that springs to mind (originated from U.S)
"Winning is not everything. It is the ONLY thing".
Prolly misquoted but you get the general gist
"Winning is not everything. It is the ONLY thing".
Prolly misquoted but you get the general gist
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brommix
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Censi why is it EVERYBODY play those great alb classes on pvp server ?? of all the powergamers pretty much noone play alb classes all the top guilds there play hib or middie classes im talking Warlegends Avalanche NP and so on. You are starting to sound like bloody Goebels (speak an untruth enough times and it becomes the truth) You might be a shining light organizing raids...but you sure are a stinking pile of crap when talking class balance
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splash0r
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Re: culture
Contrast this to a reletively small population of people in Europe, many of whom dont speak very good english (you need a common frame of reference to team well), who are used to thinking in terms of tribal units, ethic groups, or little countries with a history of antagonism and isolative politic
320 miljon of them eurotrash pretty much ^^
Contrast this to a reletively small population of people in Europe, many of whom dont speak very good english (you need a common frame of reference to team well), who are used to thinking in terms of tribal units, ethic groups, or little countries with a history of antagonism and isolative politic
320 miljon of them eurotrash
pretty much ^^
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Qte Eth
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i always say thanks to anyone who saves me in situation when id be dead wo his help
i say if there is a real good mes
and why in most cases ppl mention kills -there is a real reason for that
if u do UBER mes and get 30 enemys in 1 mes and ur grp wont kill them u will lose
if u dont do a mes and ur grp kills 30 enemyes somehow you will win
same with heals if ur druid does UBER heals and every in grp survives 5x more damage then hp he has but still no kills u will loose
if u kill wo heals u will win
the sad side of this -support classes usually cant say "where were kills ffs after uber mes or great healing" while kill classes luv
saying "ffs where was mes ?where were heals?"
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i say if there is a real good mes
and why in most cases ppl mention kills -there is a real reason for that
if u do UBER mes and get 30 enemys in 1 mes and ur grp wont kill them u will lose
if u dont do a mes and ur grp kills 30 enemyes somehow you will win
same with heals if ur druid does UBER heals and every in grp survives 5x more damage then hp he has but still no kills u will loose
if u kill wo heals u will win
the sad side of this -support classes usually cant say "where were kills ffs after uber mes or great healing" while kill classes luv
saying "ffs where was mes ?where were heals?"
imo
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old.Glendower
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sorry
I didnt mean to imply anything derogatory. I should have said "relatively small english-speaking (as primary language, and I say this because we are basically discussing cultural dynamics on the english servers) population" perhaps.
And 320 million is very close to the population of the US. Thing is, in europe, it is scattered in a whole bucketload of smaller units, most of whom dont like each other much, as I described.
I hear a lot of commentary on this issue.
My wife is a lvl 50 druid, and is arguabley one of the best PvP/RvR druids on the server...just ask anyone who groups with her =b.
Boy you should hear her cus when someone starts telling her what she needs to be doing when, lol!
I didnt mean to imply anything derogatory. I should have said "relatively small english-speaking (as primary language, and I say this because we are basically discussing cultural dynamics on the english servers) population" perhaps.
And 320 million is very close to the population of the US. Thing is, in europe, it is scattered in a whole bucketload of smaller units, most of whom dont like each other much, as I described.
I hear a lot of commentary on this issue.
My wife is a lvl 50 druid, and is arguabley one of the best PvP/RvR druids on the server...just ask anyone who groups with her =b.
Boy you should hear her cus when someone starts telling her what she needs to be doing when, lol!
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/clap ^_^
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[DK]hakke
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<Random Tank> sprints from grp after a <random lonley enemy>
<Random Tank> notice some mids
<Random Tank> yells INC HEAL HELP FSS NOOBS
<Random Tank> dies out of clipping range from grp and the first thing he says is:
WHY DIDN'T YOU HEAL ME YOU FUCKING NOOB CLERIC?
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I have (and i think the most cleric have) heard this too many times, both in pvp and pve. I'ts not like we NOT trying ot heal and get the grp killed. Yelling HEAL FFS in grpchat doesn't make me (or any cleric) heal you faster. Think about that.
<Random Tank> notice some mids
<Random Tank> yells INC HEAL HELP FSS NOOBS
<Random Tank> dies out of clipping range from grp and the first thing he says is:
WHY DIDN'T YOU HEAL ME YOU FUCKING NOOB CLERIC?
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I have (and i think the most cleric have) heard this too many times, both in pvp and pve. I'ts not like we NOT trying ot heal and get the grp killed. Yelling HEAL FFS in grpchat doesn't make me (or any cleric) heal you faster. Think about that.