About point system, part 2

[drungan]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
10 points if you dont lotto

5 points if you lose a lotto

no cap

save all leftover drops and let people buy drops with their points

= reward for many raids

= people with alot of points are _really_ after one item and have gone to many raids, so they deserve a big chance on it

not much point going to galla anymore if it takes 5 years to read how many points i get/need/whatever

i like this idea aswell:

point for this is

the 10points for one raid (est 5hours), get's you a good bonus already, it takes quite some effort to go to 10 raids and more to get the 100+ to have a really decent bonus (which means quite some time just raiding galla for nothing in the first place).

regarding the points cap: if someone goes on 20 raids, has 200points capped to 100, got a bad day and loses the lotto with a 5+100 against someone with 96+10 it's ... ehum ... oh well, i didn't want to be the guy who spent the 100points on a useless roll (and still he'd won, so ....).
If someone gets 100+ or even 200+ points on xfear's raids, he deserves having one of the most decent items in my eyes. not to get me wrong here (as i attended only to 2 of this raids so far). If someone who attended to 20 raids, wanna go for a decent item and i want it too with being there the first time, i just think he deserves it more than me.
why not have the maybe 2 "no cap, 200+ guys" lotto for the same item if they really want it and have the hobbyraiders roll for some more non decent item. it is not eliteist in my eyes. but i'm sure there are guys that think it is. anyway, i heard from a recent raid where the chanter robe dropped (should be muchos wanted, regarding the masses of chanters out there, chest piece w. epic look etc ...) and one chanter didn't even need to roll for it, as he was the only chanter left on the lotto (yeah i know, better classes then chanters for those raids etc, just an example ... they still can focus VSC easily and be of use)

i was on the first final encounter and liked the thing that the guys with the decent points announced the items will go for, it gives the ppl with not that much points the option to go for an "less desirable" item with a higher chance, regarding VF's question about drop chances and Boni's reply.

the idea with the leftover list or whatever is decent, it would be a nice thing to buy some not that wanted stuff, which still could do good in templates.
Just for instance i want the ment sleeves for my ment or something, got some points and buy them if they dropped on a raid i couldn't attend. if i spend points on an item i buy from leftovers, just substract it from the actual player points, but don't nullify all of them. It does not only give hobby raiders the opportunity to obtain special drops from xfear raids but also the high performance raiders the opportunity to have items from leftovers and still save points for the decent drops (and maybe again more motivation, dunno). sure this thing is up to xfear like the whole point system, as it is again more work for him by arranging and managing a leftover list.

one thing i'm still not sure about, if someone rolls for a drop during a galla raid, all his points get reset to zero right? if so, (i think it is), let it like this

to sum it up:

VF's idea is grand, don't swarm the lists with FE points, let the hardcore raiders (100+pts) announce the items they go for, if it's FE (to add something), let each GG have one leftover as bonus or so, to maybe make a guildy lucky with a present
and yeah, you still can get decent drops in galla, you just need luck, either in a lotto or just with the only one who can use it

[edit:] typos etc :>

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by Jayce_DA
'isnt' is not good english

hehe, fair call

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by drungan
to sum it up:

VF's idea is grand, don't swarm the lists with FE points, let the hardcore raiders (100+pts) announce the items they go for, if it's FE (to add something), let each GG have one leftover as bonus or so, to maybe make a guildy lucky with a present
and yeah, you still can get decent drops in galla, you just need luck, either in a lotto or just with the only one who can use it

[edit:] typos etc :>

Firstup you dont lose points if you lotto, unless you win. So yes mr 100 points could roll a 1 and lose to mr 10 points with a roll of 95. You even get some points back for losing a lotto (not as many as if you hadnt lottoed in the first place, I think you get half points roughly). Unlucky for mr 100 points, but he will be 105+ next time and stand a better chance, and he had a shot at it...

I like VF idea of buying leftovers with points, but thats a matter for XFear and im more than happy to trust his good judgement with these items as they are mostly trash and hes obviously putting in the effort with these raids.

From VF suggestion I would like more detail on the points side as I feel you need different points for FE and non FE raids, which are are a bit different in challenge/length. Also you need to keep bonuses for NS or voidelds or we have the problem that we simply cant get past fire/air primal as happened on our early FE raids (god knows they take long enough even with bribing all the voidies and ns with extra points). What XFear has at the moment point wise is good, perhaps just with a minor tweak of reducing all the point awards so people cant get out of the 100 random range in 3 raids.

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I like Jayce's idea of a more stingy point system, but one that does reward siege/ns/void/animist etc.

What worries me most is how you go about changing the value of points at this stage, and how you do it fairly. I guess you could just devalue everything a bit. Half everyones current points, and then give out half the number of points that are being given out currently.

 

[xfear]

how can a person catch other person who came to FE raids ( 30 pts ) if i change FE raids down to 10 ?

i though about this


all people between 50-70 , -5 pts
7-100 , -10 pts
100-150 ,- 20 pts
150 + ,- 40 pts


if i reduce the points of all people its the same for all, high pointers will have the same chance, and low pointers will have more chance to catch up the people


btw - lots of people over 100 pts, lost their points in the last FE

just other suggestion to make it more perfect


About let people t take some leftovers with his points, i just want to remember all , that in the FE with all the people taking leftovers instead of group points at the end , i always finish the raid without any leftover in my bags , so i win nothing in the FE raids that i can give to the raiders in change for points PP

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by xfear
how can a person catch other person who came to FE raids ( 30 pts ) if i change FE raids down to 10 ?

i though about this


all people between 50-70 , -5 pts
7-100 , -10 pts
100-150 ,- 20 pts
150 + ,- 40 pts

Much better just to multipy all the points all people have by 0.75, (then round up to the nearest 5 points).

You have to multiply, not subtract or it wont be as fair on some people.

 

[athar]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
Capital P for punctuation.
'aint' isnt good english.
'especialy special' is bad grammer.
etc.

lol nice one boni

 

[Auriel]

Are FE specific drops always going to be outside the lotto system? We've done a month of successful FE raids, we're getting better at doing them, and personally I have a lot of points (195) and am beginning to look seriously at a FE drop

The problem I have is that I can't use points on the item I want, while ironically I could easily get the next BMF that drops (but I don't want that item )

Is it time to open the FE drops up to the lotto system yet?

 

[PJS]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
can anyone just tell me

if i go to galla

do I have a chance at all to win anything ?

First FE I went on failed but a Mentalist staff dropped. 3 of us lottoed for it. All had no points. I won . So yes.

I didnt go for a drop, that was just a bonus. I went for the journey, so I can say to myself I was there when we completed the hardest dungeon in the game (which we did on my 2nd trip).

I would have been on the latest FE had my cablemodem not been playing up. Wouldnt want to mess my group about with repeated lds.