About point system, part 2

[xfear]

i dont like looooooooong threads, so forget the other thread and make youre new opinions/critiks etc etc, to the resume i made of the people opinions

well, i read all youre opinions, and if i want to make happy all, think that this thing can be nice

make a top of 150 pts, and if u reach this top u can get a second account with points, that only can get an amount of 100 pts

this thing makes u a top of 250 pts , 150 + 100 , u cant reach more than 250. Making the 1st top at 150 pts, means that u have to come to at least 3-5 raids to get a high chance to get an ubber drop , 20 pts for each FE plus GG/voidie/animist etc extra points, like u know, if u dont have voidies/animists, u always can bring siege weapons, and all people can bring a siege weapon

i think that 3-5 raids, are a good amount of raids, to let people get a HIGH chance to get an UBBER drop, but REMEMBER not always all drops will have lottoers with 150 pts, and people with a LOW chance, can beat people with a HIGH chance, and if u want to get the best drop of hibernia coming only to 1 raid, all people will think that u are a selfish

a top of 250 pts , 150 + 100, well its very hard to reach this top, only me and reno did it, and we went to 25 raids, and 25 raids = 3 months, so it is really hard to arrive to this top

FE points :

20 if u no lotto

10 if u lose a lotto

5 GUILD points, for each GG u bring to the raid

5 group points for each voidie in group

5 group points for each animist in group

5 group points if u get 2 NS in group that know how to distract

5 group points if u bring 2 siege weapons and use them vs primals

10 group points if u bring 2 siege weapons instead of void/animists ( this thing only for those small guilds, that dont have a voidie/animist in his guild )

i know that are a lot of extras, but im very sure too, that there will be no groups that can complete all theese extras, and get +20 points for example

u can change 5 group points in change for a leftover

 

[Divinia]

Punctuation is your friend, plz change your writing habits so the texts is readable plz.

About the points system wouldnt it be better to start lotto sessions for specific items like:

for example
BM Fang session starts at the upcoming raid; the people that aim to attend to the next 5 upcoming raids and only lotto for the fang sign up to person X. After the first person won it he is out of the session, and so it goes.. and if there is 7 people in group and it drops every raid 5/7 will have it in 5 raids, instead of people going to 15 raids to have their uber 150 extra pts.

I dont go to the raids and this was just a crazy idea i got.. its up to you to decide whats the best for you/the raid attendants and for hibernia ;p

The pve slans can also adept this system to come up with something reasonable. And i guess it will cause much extra work but you wouldnt have those people that got 230 extra points and make ppl f00k the raids cus of those ppl..

cus many people i talk to say "bah no cba with that point system"

 

[old.SOSAGES]

he isnt english to give him a break
i can read it all..

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by xfear

FE points :

20 if u no lotto

10 if u lose a lotto

5 GUILD points, for each GG u bring to the raid

5 group points for each voidie in group

5 group points for each animist in group

5 group points if u get 2 NS in group that know how to distract

5 group points if u bring 2 siege weapons and use them vs primals

10 group points if u bring 2 siege weapons instead of void/animists ( this thing only for those small guilds, that dont have a voidie/animist in his guild )

i know that are a lot of extras, but im very sure too, that there will be no groups that can complete all theese extras, and get +20 points for example

u can change 5 group points in change for a leftover

aint this a _bit_ over the top? for being a voidy alone you can get 35points each raid and you can loto for anything...

 

[old.SOSAGES]

sounds like xfear is just making it more complicated for him self

back to basics mate..

 

[finbahr]

Originally posted by Divinia
Punctuation is your friend, plz change your writing habits so the texts is readable plz.

Come on your talking about punctuation and you use"plz" its spelt please.

Also "the texts is readable" shouldn't it be the texts ARE readable, or the text is readable


imo as long as you get the gist of it and it is fairly ledgable its not a grammatical exam and i also think he does very well seeing english is his first language


my only grasp of spanish is"dos grande cervesa por parvou cameraro " don't know if this is right but i suspect the spanish readers get my gist and don't pull me on every single point


sorry i'm a little pissed of in work so you are getting the wrath

 

[f1sty]

Imo have top 100 and thats it, no 2 times 100 which ineffect is worse than having a no top. Think about it.

Two uber drops, drop on a raid, mr I have 200 points, could only lotto for one of the drops with the old system.

Now he can lotto and prob get both.

So where is the interest for people who do not have lots of points?

The points system was good early on, but as time as progressed, and people have accumulated points, it has become elitist, where the uber points people get the drops. Which inturn is putting the little people off

Its a vicious circle, I have a better solution giv all drops to me, then I can retire in a nice villa near some banshees in Bog of Cullen.

Oo banshees, they squeal like hell.

 

[old.SOSAGES]

the points are set up so that someone who goes on 20 or so raids with no luck will eventually get the chance to get the drop he/she wants but does that really work out?

say we have all the void elds going on 20 raids just to get the sexy galla item they want they all been on eveyr raid so they have lots of points so then they lotto for it and alluse there + points but they can still easily lose as lots of other people have lots of points to spend as the one reason they have these points is cos the drop hasnt dropped yet..

its said that they should have the points so they have a better chance of getting the drop but thats a bit crazy even without the points they would still have a better chance of getting the drop as someone who went on just one raid as they would of had 20 chances to get it (granted it didnt drop but thats just luck) its a lotto and that should always mean everyone has a chance

if the drops were 100% gonna drop then it wouldnt be a problem damn this random business!!

poinst are good but it got out of hand

 

[xfear]

Originally posted by Divinia
Punctuation is your friend, plz change your writing habits so the texts is readable plz.

Dunno why are u telling this, but well, im spanish, and english is my 2nd language, im not studing english atm, all i know from english laguage is what i learnt in the school, and what i learnt in internet

but im sure, that i speak my 2nd language ( english ) better than youre 2nd one ( dunno what language is that )

about the rest, only thing i want, is to stop the whines of the people, tell me, what can i do ? there are people that like a lot the point system, and there are people that dont like it, only thing im trying to make is a mix from both opinions, to make both parts of people happy, thats all , im not trying to imput a new rule, to get better for my self , or something else

and if my english is so bad, im sorry, but i wasnt born in england/usa

 

[Event]

xfear - I've been to many of your raids and read your posts and i have to say u are one of the most decent players in the game imo.

Less whine plz - the guy deserves support and positive suggestions.

PS Now that reno got a fang hope im next lol

 

[Sharp Thing]

i agree, xfear is a very nice guy and he does try to speak english the ebst he can. but the point system was good at start, ppl who come every raid have a higher chance at getting the item he wants. but as it is now, its ppl who have 200 points can get any item while the others who cant come on so many raids do not have any chance at all. a good change would be a cap at 100 points in one loto. he can stil loto for only one item on the raid and the points he get over 100 he can keep for the enxt time, this will give the others some chance. and forget all this +5 for siege weap/bringing a shade etc, thats just an awfull rule. max you should get for bringing a voidy/ns should be +5 tops, and the +20 on fe raids is a bit over the top to, just leave it at 10 imo

 

[Jayce_DA]

Based on Censi's idea, how about ...

5 if u no lotto

3 if u lose a lotto

2 GUILD points, for each GG u bring to the raid

2 group points for each voidie in group

2 group points for each animist in group

2 group points if u get 2 NS in group that know how to distract

2 group points if u bring 2 siege weapons and use them vs primals

3 group points if u bring 2 siege weapons instead of void/animists ( this thing only for those small guilds, that dont have a voidie/animist in his guild )

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Give out less points maybe?

Lowering FE points to 20 instead of 30 is good!

Make a maximum of 30 points per group (20 + max 10 in bonus)

I would scrap animist points.

I have taken a guild animist a lot of times and they arent much use. My animists ask me 'what use am i here? why did you want me to come?'

Aroon - cant use FnF shrooms incase wrong thingy is killed.
Fire / Air Primal - shrooms of no use at all.
Menders - no shrooms plz!

These are the hard bits, that FE raids sometimes fail on and animist are of no use for them.

Animists help with some of the other small bosses and mobs, but there is never a problem if they arent there.

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keep void / NS points, FE raids fail if these dont turn up.

 

[VodkaFairy]

10 points if you dont lotto

5 points if you lose a lotto

no cap

save all leftover drops and let people buy drops with their points

= reward for many raids

= people with alot of points are _really_ after one item and have gone to many raids, so they deserve a big chance on it

not much point going to galla anymore if it takes 5 years to read how many points i get/need/whatever

 

[old.Reno]

Unfortunately for the animist he doesn't see much results from his efforts.
However melee and pb/dd types do see the results of his efforts.
In particular with Earth and Olcasgean a good number of animists greatly speeds up their demise, or is the key to killing them at all.

In the last raid the 2nd zerg shouldn't be killing at the speed it did, but thanks to the animists it did.

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by old.SOSAGES
he isnt english to give him a break
i can read it all..

punctiation aint especialy special for english.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Reno
Unfortunately for the animist he doesn't see much results from his efforts.
However melee and pb/dd types do see the results of his efforts.
In particular with Earth and Olcasgean a good number of animists greatly speeds up their demise, or is the key to killing them at all.

In the last raid the 2nd zerg shouldn't be killing at the speed it did, but thanks to the animists it did.

I guess they speed earth/olcasgean up, though ive never felt that any FE was in danger of dying without the animists. As for speeding up the zerg, I think they do a bit, but if the zergs are of a decent size then the mobs are dead before an animist has used all their mana placing unmovable pets.

With all the concentration on the more 'bizarre' specs/classes I thought our last FE was lacking good tanks, and the one before that had only about 3 chanters.

Is an animists contribution that much greater than a 50 spec shield hero, or a regwroth druid? Im sure we always get an animist or two, if only for the fact that the rarer classes always get much better odds in lottos (a lot more competion for uber ns items / eld items than animist stuff).

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by Divinia
punctiation aint especialy special for english.

Capital P for punctuation.
'aint' isnt good english.
'especialy special' is bad grammer.
etc.

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by xfear
Dunno why are u telling this, but well, im spanish, and english is my 2nd language, im not studing english atm, all i know from english laguage is what i learnt in the school, and what i learnt in internet

but im sure, that i speak my 2nd language ( english ) better than youre 2nd one ( dunno what language is that )

about the rest, only thing i want, is to stop the whines of the people, tell me, what can i do ? there are people that like a lot the point system, and there are people that dont like it, only thing im trying to make is a mix from both opinions, to make both parts of people happy, thats all , im not trying to imput a new rule, to get better for my self , or something else

and if my english is so bad, im sorry, but i wasnt born in england/usa

Im not studying english at this moment. My second language is english, while my third and forth is german and french.

Enough about that.

I was not complaining about anyones use of english. As I said (I hope you can read?) i did a remark about your use of punctuation marks, you simply dont use any dots in your texts only comma. This makes (in my opinion) yours any many others text's a pain to read.

Why is everyone so fast on judging people and their posts after have red em trough in 5 secs?

Ive said it before and ill say it again; Read, Comprehend & Answer.

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
Capital P for punctuation.
'aint' isnt good english.
'especialy special' is bad grammer.
etc.

I doubt those things makes my texts harder to read?

If they do I apologize and use the same crappy argument as some others did; English is not my primary language.

I took notice of your critisism and will try to think more about those things when i post here.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by Divinia
I doubt those things makes my texts harder to read?

They didnt, but then again neither did XFears sloppy punctuation. His text was divided into small sections, and readable enough to understand, not really worth picking up on any more than your mistakes.

Language is a means of communication, if the message gets across I dont care how its spelt or how bad the grammar is really. I speak only 1 language, and have great respect for anyone who's first language isnt english and manages to communicate here.

 

[Divinia]

But the message didnt get across to me without problem. And I dont like when i have to put any effort into reading a ordinary text. Thats why i made my post.

 

[Moön]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
10 points if you dont lotto

5 points if you lose a lotto

no cap

save all leftover drops and let people buy drops with their points

= reward for many raids

= people with alot of points are _really_ after one item and have gone to many raids, so they deserve a big chance on it

not much point going to galla anymore if it takes 5 years to read how many points i get/need/whatever

Spot on imo, do this Xfear

 

[Event]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
With all the concentration on the more 'bizarre' specs/classes I thought our last FE was lacking good tanks, and the one before that had only about 3 chanters.

Boni is right about the last raid - when it came to kill the guardian mender there seemed to be a smallish number of tanks tbh.

That said - BoH pwned in the smaller 2nd zerg with our tank grps - i made over 250g on that raid - not bad for galla

Too many peeps afk imho.

 

[censi]

like I said in the last post. This totally works in the favour of the dedicated raider....

At least before you could sleep happy in the knowledge that mister 300 points had just blown his life savings on the fabled Katana of Vanquishing!!! His reign of terror is now over!!!

With your new system mister 300 points will blow his 150 on his Katana of Vanquishing and then come back to haunt you with his 100 when your lotting for the legendary Fortified Demon Bone Armour in the next raid!!!!!

This system is gonna turn casual gamers off even more isnt it???

 

[VodkaFairy]

can anyone just tell me

if i go to galla

do I have a chance at all to win anything ?

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
can anyone just tell me

if i go to galla

do I have a chance at all to win anything ?

atm you have as much chance of anyone of getting one the FE specific drops as they dont use the lotto system.

You have a VERY good chance of getting an average item (non chest armour, minor jewlery, a drum or something).

You have a good chance of getting a respec stone (usualy about as many lottoers as stones).

You stand feck all chance of getting a hauberk or easamarch stinger if this is your first raid.

So yeah, I would say you did, unless you want the most uberest item on your first raid (and tbh if its a FE item you might still get it).

 

[Moön]

Originally posted by Divinia
Punctuation is your friend, plz change your writing habits so the texts is readable plz.

lol what a nob

 

[Demolay]

lol Viva Espana Xfear send Nenuco over plz hmm smells nice

 

[Jayce_DA]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
Capital P for punctuation.
'aint' isnt good english.
'especialy special' is bad grammer.
etc.

'isnt' is not good english