About Hib economy (and with a note for ranting casual players)

Tholus

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I am trying to figure out what will be the near future of the Hibernian economy (and DAoC economy in general)

At the moment the inflation curve is growing very quickly.
The "money creation" process is far too quicker than the "money destruction" one.

The reason is not the ToA Arti/scroll market growt (that makes money only flow and has the consequence of making inflation "visible" but does not "create" much money) but the FOP+ani PL team extreme farm power.

Now this fact has many "social" implications. Mainly it tends to separate Hib social classes. Those that can affort and partecipate to the richness ("the hardcore") and those that see the growing price of the end goods (arti/scroll/drops) and feel excluded from the more valuable merchandise ("the casual").

The fact that arti camps are always occupied, usually by people part of the stronger social class, that usually has more power in terms of account numbers and time availabilty, is another reason of social moaning.

What will be the future?

Well, is a fact that money does not have a value by itself (you cannot eat coins). So is in Daoc. Plats have no sense if not related to the items you can buy with them.

So inflation will continue its growt untill:
1) The higher social class will need more items and will have the money to buy it
2) More people will pass from the lower to the higher class expanding the market basis (see China). Buyng multiple accounts and spending more time in Daoc playng.

Here come one of my theories.
The point 1) is coming to the end. The harcore players (the higher social class) are filled with items, all they want they have (or soon will have). Some (deficient) people filled all his buffbots with Artis. So that kind of customer will not substain the whole market in the near future.
The point 2) will be a small phenomenon. Even if you can buy more accounts, the "time" factor is too much RL related and cant be changed. A casual player (the lowe class) has usually a work and a family and will never become hardcore.

So what will be the effect?
A lot of money in a few people vaults and CMs filled with unsold items (Hardcore dont need them, Casual cant affort it)

A very weird situation.
More and more money created... and prices that have to drop becous goods remain unsold.
And so in this loop no more sense for the higher social class to perma camp arti they wont be able to sell... and arti camps available for casual player.


So I see a light of hope for casual players in term of econony?
Yes...... untill new expantion anyway :)
 

censi

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Well the FOP nerf will fix this a little bit more.

but generally inflation is something you cant avoid in an MMRPG.

and with regards to knowledge and time being the key factors to success in daoc, as mythic would say...

working as intended.
 

oblimov

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lol u really are bored

but yeah this kinda thing is likely to happen in the future, which is the reason new expansions come out with better stuff and patches change things to constantly make people assess their spec and the artis/items they use

The artifact camping is definetly having a bad effect on hib, i find it sad that people intentionally take artis all the time for the purpose of selling them rather can helping fellow realmmates by leaving them alone

But then again TOA has had the effect of making everyone out for themselves :(
 

Boni

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I agree with most of what you say there, and I think TOA like most patches goes in stages, if your not a hardcore player then you stand little chance of being equipped early, but if you wait long enough prices come down and the hardcore who are mostly equipped get bored of camping SoM or cloudsong 24/7.

Animists have caused a large imbalance in wealth from last patch, though this has knock on effects for everyone else. I dont have an animist, but ive made good cash this patch from selling scrolls at competative prices on my CM.
 

Loxleyhood

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Interesting stuff. Tell you what, just because I'm nice, I'll come and pillage Hibernia.
 

Danya

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But that will break albion's economy Loxly! Think of the children!
 

Robot

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Well compared to the other realms, id say stuff on hib excal is alot cheaper.

When i was on mid pryd the prices were a hell of alot higher for most items, unlike here where alot of ml9 stuff etc is kinda cheap apart from one or 2 items.

But in general id say we are far better then others.
 

censi

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thats more to do with the fact that we have animists tbh.
 

legar

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3 cloudsong artis, sold for 30 plat each..at the same house. owned by an animist


says enough imo..

im disgusted with artifacts in hib in general imo..
its always camped 24/7 eben if they dont need it.. such horseshit
 

Danya

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Yeah, I haven't really bought any artis, because I can't get the encounters for them so no point. :p
 

odon

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Mm

Well just do what I do and a few others do that i have seen.

I aim to put something on the market for a reasonable price, rather than over inflate it. Just what is the point, as many people can not afford items.

Lol Tholus u do that over lunch?
 

Novamir

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who gives a fuck about economy tbh.. as long as i can ToA one char so its good for rvr, i can have 100g for all i care. and its really not major hard to fully complete a template, sure some items are uberhard but i dont make template with uberhard items that i dont have yet.
 

Deena

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Novamir said:
who gives a fuck about economy tbh.. as long as i can ToA one char so its good for rvr, i can have 100g for all i care. and its really not major hard to fully complete a template, sure some items are uberhard but i dont make template with uberhard items that i dont have yet.

Tbh thats what ppl should do .. im ToA-ing my Heroine atm and when im done with her im gonna focus on rvr ..
Most hibs want to ToA all their alts they freshly PL-ed and when they done with that they will just get more arties / scrolls / ml-items just to sell for their own fortune.
 

Tinyheals

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look at midgard where half of the population walks around with 100P+

2 ppl from guild farmed 1 M! in 1.5 months in ml9 dungeon,
here already is the extent
 

Funkdocta

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As long as people pay the inflated prices the l33t guilds will always farm the best stuff. It will not be until Catacombs at the very earliest you see artis like cloudsong and the such drop in price. (depends how good the new items that come with catacombs will be).

The people you say have all the stuff they want will no doubt make new chars at some point and they hog all the good stuff again. Its a vicious circle.

I remember on mid/pryd TG healer haub would sell for about 20p I seen one recently for 10p so heres hoping catacombs has the same effect on toa items & artifacts.

:cheers:
 

Ogen

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Farm teh dragon instead! We need respecs!! :D
And we need em before the fop nerf ;)
 

Aloca

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Before toa i had about 90p those cash disapeared about 1 week into toa.
Then i did dragon raids and my cash got boosted up to 250p. then we got fop bot and i farmed up about 100+p more, then i decided to toa my eldritch, took me 2 hours to get arifact credit and then i bought all scrolls and artifacts for around 150p and that leaves me with around 150p left. But yes i dont realy care about money i farm stuff becouse i need it but sometimes something drop along side with what i want and i can sell that.
I can still easy probably get 100p in a week or if lucky 2-3 days not very needed.

Btw me getting 250p from respec stones was quite low considering i sold almost 200 stones total. i lowerd the price becouse i knew i would get enough cash. This is the way most people should think tho and the market in hib would be much better. Someone that have much cash doesnt need to sell a item for insane prices always (I only want to stay over 100p if more i dont care). Im still farming ml1.1, 2.10, Zahur, Battler, Malice, SoM, and all those easy encounters now and then, reason? i want the legendary weapon ingredients and guildies need items from those encounters. Ofc the artifact drops and other special hard to get items but that is just a bonus.
 

Aloca

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Ogen said:
Farm teh dragon instead! We need respecs!! :D
And we need em before the fop nerf ;)

I stoped doing dragon raids when i filled my house with remains, stocked up with 25 of each stone, and got enough cash.
Might start farming it again becouse i forgot to pay rent on my house and lost 5-6 dragon heads+ 10 chimera .
 

odon

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So you farm Zahur Aloca...

Got a spare arti? :)

Will pm in Game.
 

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