About AC raids

[Hawkwind]

On Topic, if you think AC raiding is killing this game I think your wrong. GOA killed it by not advertising or marketing the product. Also, most of us have been playing the same game for 5 years, that is a hell of a long time for any game. Most only last a couple of months at best.

I logged on WoW past couple of days to look at the new upgrade there and I am amazed at the amount of new players entering that game. It was like DAOC 5 years ago, competing with other noobs on lvl 1-5 mobs. Low level zones are just full of people. Say what you like about the cartoon graphics etc but at least new people are entering the game. Look at the Blizzard marketing effort for Burning Crusade against what Mythic/GOA has done in Europe for LOTR, it's pathetic!

 

[Poon]

Blizz doesnt need to market WOW as much with a player base the size it has, DAOC is old and so will lose alot of players to new MMO's, wow is friendly to new players and DAOC is not, wow's bright and colorful and daoc looks like crap.

DAOC has the great end game but the way there is painfull, wow has a good grind up and a weak end game, which is going to retain players until they make friends and the game sinks in its hooks?

Dont blaim GOA imo it's nothing to do with that they have or havent done, but they do need to start moving player's together to make the most of the shrinking player base.

 

[eble@work]

On Topic, if you think AC raiding is killing this game I think your wrong. GOA killed it by not advertising or marketing the product. Also, most of us have been playing the same game for 5 years, that is a hell of a long time for any game. Most only last a couple of months at best.

I normally agree with most things you say, but unfortunately in that case you are totally wrong, be it the realm you play I'm not sure but just try and see it from a Hib point of view we were constantly AC'd for months on end, everytime we retook the relics primetime they vanished overnight.

Every game has its own timeline for when people will get fed up and move along but having a bunch of arseholes constantly griefing the whole server, had in the opinion of a lot of people brought about the demise of the server.

If you think for one second I'm wrong , why would GOA even start a discussion about this? because they now it is having a massive effect.

And if i'm not mistaken your not able to play DAOC at the moment due to some dodgy internet conn in the Mid-east so your in no position to comment, sorry mate.

Maybe when you are able to play again and log, just try finding someone to fight, good luck.

I play Hib and always have an endless supply od sorcs and DI bots, I was lucky I even bump'd into a Mid yesterday, first one I have seen for 3 days.

Eble

 

[thergador]

On Topic, if you think AC raiding is killing this game I think your wrong. GOA killed it by not advertising or marketing the product. Also, most of us have been playing the same game for 5 years, that is a hell of a long time for any game. Most only last a couple of months at best.

can partly agree with you but not fully AC raids happen on other server both euro and usa and they are still going strong, however AC raids and the "this game it part of my life and thing that happen in it affect me irl" attitude towards it have had a negative affects for the server,

the game is far from dead (talking about the game not he server here). mythic get new players every month (fair enough a lot are euro players) but they still get new players, that mainly due to te game being stocked in stores the round table road trips etc, but here in Europe we are getting bad quality in comparison to the USA
we have poor in game support (there devs on the us server nearly 24 hours a day)

hardware issues (irc GOA are running doac on refurbished service take came from an insurance company, its strange how places like the capital cities laby etc cause lag when people are using the server in France but don't get any when contecting the mythic server).

odd rulings and bad implementation of the supplied coding(well over the 5 year i have been playing there be loads times where GoA have made strange decision or just been incompetent when upgrading the software) the pryd server crash being an example of this and the poor hardware.

however even with all these problems the other euro servers keep going strong
so the "this game is dieing is far from the truth" its more a server issue hence why Mythic (not GOA) seem to be looking at if there anything that can be done, and i for one with mythic would take hold of GOA and say they are revoking the right for the euro server if they don't improve things

I logged on WoW past couple of days to look at the new upgrade there and I am amazed at the amount of new players entering that game. It was like DAOC 5 years ago, competing with other noobs on lvl 1-5 mobs. Low level zones are just full of people. Say what you like about the cartoon graphics etc but at least new people are entering the game. Look at the Blizzard marketing effort for Burning Crusade against what Mythic/GOA has done in Europe for LOTR, it's pathetic!

wow lost 21million players with the launch of TBC so they can take a hit to

ps mythic/goc had nothing to do with LOTR lord of the rings (it's codemasters)/wink, think you mean LOTM

but gotta partly agree again goa fecked up here most store are only suppling the game online and not in stores, however mythic did push the game 6 months ago in the usa they did the convetions (gaming), the road trip,adverising, sold the product in store, had models dressed up as toons etc

 

[Hawkwind]

can partly agree with you but not fully AC raids happen on other server both euro and usa and they are still going strong, however AC raids and the "this game it part of my life and thing that happen in it affect me irl" attitude towards it have had a negative affects for the server,

Would people be quiting the game if there were 2k plus on every night? I personally doubt it. Yes, they would be maoning about AC but not quiting.

wow lost 21million players with the launch of TBC so they can take a hit to

To be honest I did not even know that, as stated I logged in 2 days ago to try out the new addon adn was impressed at how many new people were playing. I have only met a few people with lvl 60+ chars most I met were totally new to the game.

ps mythic/goc had nothing to do with LOTR lord of the rings (it's codemasters)/wink, think you mean LOTM

Oops my bad, well spotted.

 

[Hawkwind]

And if i'm not mistaken your not able to play DAOC at the moment due to some dodgy internet conn in the Mid-east so your in no position to comment, sorry mate.

Maybe when you are able to play again and log, just try finding someone to fight, good luck.

I play Hib and always have an endless supply od sorcs and DI bots, I was lucky I even bump'd into a Mid yesterday, first one I have seen for 3 days.

Eble

Internet is working fine thanks, was dodgy a few weeks back and then I was travelling a lot on business. I have been playing last two weeks most evenings on caby. I actually upgraded all 4 accounts this week to try out the upgrade.

I can see your side of the argument well enough, I just think people would be moaning not quiting if we had a full server. People are always going to be leaving for various RL issues. The problem is there is no one joining. Its a good game, ok a little hard to get started from fresh these days but still a damn good game. Why don't people know about it?

I just rationalise that it's due to bad marketing. I really don't see how anyone can blame lamer AC play on the state of the English servers. Would you feel the same if 800 hibs were logging in every night? You may do, but I somehow doubt it. GOA/Mythic have done the bare minimum for advertising their product in Europe. The problem is now its all too little too late. With WH due out this year and AoC/Vanguard.... there are too many other decent MMORG's on the market doing lots of advertising.

makes me laugh that it is the only major MMORG that I cannot purchse in Dubai, every other one is on sale here. Retailers like Pluggins/Virgin here had huge displays up for the WoW addon. Even talk to most gamers about MMORG's they know Everquest, WoW, SW and EVE etc. but have never heard of DAOC.

 

[Darzil]

Would people be quiting the game if there were 2k plus on every night? I personally doubt it. Yes, they would be maoning about AC but not quiting.

Yes, of course they would. After all, there once were 2k plus on every night, and there are no longer, so they must have quit !

Darzil

 

[Hawkwind]

Yes, of course they would. After all, there once were 2k plus on every night, and there are no longer, so they must have quit !

Darzil

Easy to take stuff out of context! Would they have quit due to lamer AC raids?

 

[Cromcruaich]

Easy to take stuff out of context! Would they have quit due to lamer AC raids?

You ofcourse realise that if you have the population, the effect of AC raids is significantly lessoned. And in anycase the question is misguided. The situation that happened was that AC raids happened in response to well organised hib raids at prime time against the background of an already small, and falling population. If the population had been healthy in the first place, then its unlikely successful and persistent AC raids would of been successful.

 

[dub]

Easy to take stuff out of context! Would they have quit due to lamer AC raids?

lets try context , would the hibs have reacted in same way to the constant ac raids if they themselves hadnt been running mre´s for months in primetime ?

but again we can only guess , as the luries are extinct they are hard to ask about reasons , come to think of it they also was when alive

 

[Gahn]

lets try context , would the hibs have reacted in same way to the constant ac raids if they themselves hadnt been running mre´s for months in primetime ?

but again we can only guess , as the luries are extinct they are hard to ask about reasons , come to think of it they also was when alive

Could always ask a Firbie, but whatever he tells ya DON'T pull his finger!

 

[Poon]

wow lost 21million players with the launch of TBC so they can take a hit to

Lost 21 million players eh thats pretty bad considering it had 12 million to start with so minus 9 million makes it more dead then excal, as far as i'm aware the expansion has increased player base not shrank it.

 

[MaCaBr3]

The millionth thread about AC and you guys keep repeating yourself, you are really a bunch of tards bth.

 

[Raven]

wow lost 21million players with the launch of TBC so they can take a hit to

pretty amazing considering they "only" had 8 million players in the first place...

http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Millions flies eat shit, they can't be mistaken .

Just joking, I bought two copies of WoW, never played beyond level 16 or so, the cartoon gfx just turned me off.

 

[Rushie]

we have enough BP's for a level 10 keep.... if u ask nicely ill come claim for u......

 

[thergador]

To be honest I did not even know that, as stated I logged in 2 days ago to try out the new addon adn was impressed at how many new people were playing. I have only met a few people with lvl 60+ chars most I met were totally new to the game.

new class/race in the expansion m8 loads of 60's rerolled and if they get 20million new players but41 million leave its still a lose of 21milliion

(don't know how the figure came to be but i would thing that the WoW marketing team would have made it look as good as possible not that losing 21million looks good)

pretty amazing considering they "only" had 8 million players in the first place...

http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml

wow do yearly account counts and monthly ones (stock holders in blizzard get the monthly figures) and mid summer 2006 they had nearly 30million accounts (ie products/cd keys sold) so you work it out nearly 30mill down to 8million

sound like about 21mill to me


really do wish people would stop saying the Game is dead as its not the game it the server thats dieing there for its the player bases fault not the game and maybe thats why peeps will not admit to them selfs that it the server and the people on it

 

[kivik]

new class/race in the expansion m8 loads of 60's rerolled and if they get 20million new players but41 million leave its still a lose of 21milliion

(don't know how the figure came to be but i would thing that the WoW marketing team would have made it look as good as possible not that losing 21million looks good)



wow do yearly account counts and monthly ones (stock holders in blizzard get the monthly figures) and mid summer 2006 they had nearly 30million accounts (ie products/cd keys sold) so you work it out nearly 30mill down to 8million

sound like about 21mill to me


really do wish people would stop saying the Game is dead as its not the game it the server thats dieing there for its the player bases fault not the game and maybe thats why peeps will not admit to them selfs that it the server and the people on it

oh lol, 41 millions people left WoW? Do you think the whole world played or what

 

[Darzil]

oh lol, 41 millions people left WoW? Do you think the whole world played or what

That'd be 6 billion. 41 million is less than 1% of the population.

Darzil

 

[kivik]

That'd be 6 billion. 41 million is less than 1% of the population.

Darzil

I'm fully aware of that.

Kivik

 

[thergador]

oh lol, 41 millions people left WoW? Do you think the whole world played or what

just going of the share holder figures
mmmm and 41million isnt even one in the uk
see here

I'm fully aware of that.

Kivik

why the self pwn then?

 

[kivik]

Fucking hell, it was a metaphor for 'exaggerated numbers' god damn.

 

[thergador]

Fucking hell, it was a metaphor for 'exaggerated numbers' god damn.

and if you look the 41million was as an example for people note the word IF in the sentence meaning "if it happened to be this case "
ie:- IF i had used the follow "they did have figure A and lost fugure B" that would be me saying thats the figures

note the use of the word THEY in the pargraph below the one you quoted because they are figures publish to stockholders

 

[kivik]

and if you look the 41million was as an example for people note the word IF in the sentence meaning "if it happened to be this case "
ie:- IF i had used the follow "they did have figure A and lost fugure B" that would be me saying thats the figures

note the use of the word THEY in the pargraph below the one you quoted because they are figures publish to stockholders

Fair enough, missed that if.