A rant about non-det/non-essential classes

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Arnor

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Thx to salamurhaaja who put me on the idea of compiling a not very complete list, but you get the jist of it.


Top 20 rm's and rps last week on my server, excalibur:

1 Fly 77
2 Shaki 5,324
3 Ardamel 1,465
4 Kazil Legacy 961
5 Release 0
6 Adelama 198
7 Pibe DeOro 1,052
8 Sorceress Cruelheart 1,445
9 Mininuke 0
10 Ralgedi Smurf 921
11 Xuthos Deathwish 0
12 Ailyn Morningstar 57,434
13 Odjinn SuperCute 248
14 Rulke Nukemeister 690
15 Hoblin 3,787
16 Daoc 8,824
17 Mooz 34,483
18 Klen TheBubbleSprayer 0
19 Rexy 0
20 Bjodald Blackheart 6,435

Spiritmasters:

1 Crazy SadoMaster 67,828
2 Wiiwii Kamikaze 9,724
3 Emros 1,134
4 Krom Nekromage 166
5 Icetear 0
6 Jess TheGreat 21,710
7 Femgoth TheWhite 92
8 Fraer 196
9 Mysticbob Indeed 17,238
10 Lanze 1,992
11 Lanfear Cyndane 472
12 Shafu 15,309
13 Cubby WasJustKilledBy 0
14 Kaylania 996 50
15 Zoolis Z 33,092
16 Whisperess 119
17 Eyez OnU 142,975
18 Soulspirit 17,857
19 Astona 52,656
20 Gandallf 0

Mentalists:

1 Qte Eth 0
2 Inada 1,636
3 Zana 597
4 Elwizardo Manaaja 61,317
5 Thair BaradCeleb 3,581
6 Danya Darkmoor 725
7 Alitha DePollo 10,305
8 Fair Justice 9,475
9 Dyslexian Specllaster 0
10 Nero CrackWhooore 122
11 Ttillub Vihainen 1,505
12 Niobe 4,568
13 Paranoia Strikes 696
14 Warshade Shadewar 0
15 Gamusa 9,113
16 Armolas Mossleaf 285
17 Callow 2,552
18 Calere LuriSlave 486
19 Laryssa Ravenhurst 2,945
20 Astramenius Alvaland 18,189

Animists:

1 Czadi 861
2 Sweetleaf 7,542
3 Miseria 1,118
4 Wizor Oo 3,158
5 Vitae Libido 0
6 Great Oak 19,540
7 Affinity Pants 3,900
8 Baobab SpecialistInAllStyles 8,325
9 Taynt MadeOfWood 12,428
10 Obie Jaffa 574
11 Kerghan 305
12 Paddolien 3,989
13 Growbag CantoDellaTerra 39
14 Denebrion Wolfteeth 3,483
15 Teder Arrepio 74
16 Inandaalito 28,245
17 Oakskin TreeSoulOfWolfPrince 0
18 Goldenbark HappyVompatti 7,374
19 Sporeungen Svamp 7,944
20 Heartofgold DontPanic 4,510

Warriors for comparison (its not an essential class, but its nice to have in a group)

1 Jawz Sharktooth 213,763
2 Mikhail Slaktaren 85,624
3 Edo Cotequinho 27,673
4 Pandemic 84,028
5 Susi Flammen 8,011
6 Naimit Battlerager 1,882
7 Klenisen HeMan 15,522
8 Stoni Cold 753
9 Trolliak Slappskegg 2,479
10 Roteca Konkari 1,233
11 Guckro 5,128
12 Icehearts 51,543
13 Urme TheLegend 12,024
14 Batdie 23,979
15 Rotcev Vector 80,987
16 Dalamor Dracon 44,781
17 Gerula Girly 14,278
18 Insane InMyBrain 18,052
19 Gog 10,638
20 Sverker RedRose 47,911

And now for the class we all love to hate:
Savage (its really overkill to take savages into the comparison, they are so insanely overpowered its nuts and throws the chart way off)

1 Mumin 406,023
2 Locuz 480,899
3 Sushii ScrewedAndTattoed 283,298
4 Boogy Man 58,680
5 Montarlo Redflame 36,301
6 Duva 23,630
7 Zeeke 210,900
8 Venomz 631
9 Quadro San 300,372
10 Parzi Ragnaroek 92,549
11 Meekur 6,197
12 Nash Flipmode 6,064
13 Medduh Moose 736
14 Cougar 276,763
15 Machina Frost 176,636
16 Brutallos OgreGreaver 41,088
17 Orbin 121,330
18 Nathaledorf 251,782
19 Courtia 95,231
20 Sazabi 26,118

And now, for a class we like to have 2-3 of in every group, the healer:

1 Stubbe DAHIR 375,477
2 Tidal Toot 113,285
3 Xuth 12,525
4 Zorena Z 197,190
5 Natha Nero 175,553
6 Xanatea Slan 300,707
7 Derianna Coldflame 41,262
8 Marita 387,955
9 Eiaals TheMedic 244
10 Bluppie 0
11 Toyama Tokanawa 82,805
12 Hellige Lolita 9,678
13 Medde Hijani 515,938
14 Andine Feanturi 190,690
15 Soi 295,033
16 Poppamies 44,717
17 Seed 72,542
18 Ladonna Blackheart 2,177
19 Arshin 2,006
20 Garnet FullMendHealerForTheWin 1,020


This is what mythic has done, made a whole range of classes obsolete (I cba to list thanes and all the other casters (to a degree) , friars, reavers, valewalkers etc etc, the stats are on www.duskwave.com/daoc ) The common denominators are that none of these classes have determination and none of them are ESSENTIAL to a group (ie, giving speed5, end-regen, cc, heals, etc)

What does mythic do to remedy this? they give thanes a boost in dmg on their spells, which is a boost, but it doesnt help them a single bit to get groups, they nerf the only """""" viable """""" caster group option cept pbaoe, debuff st-nukers, and dont do shit about determination or making every class desirable.


I've cancelled my accounts and will remain inactive till mythic can manage to let every class bring something special to the table, so that no class will stand alone at mtk yelling lfg for days without getting a group.
 
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infozwerg

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listing the top 20 in total rp may give a false impression. daoc-stats.com has a working "sort classes with lrp" feature.

but i doubt the picture would change much.
 
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Waok

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Giving det to certain classes will only make them substantially overpowerd.

I feel that my class, the reaver, brings alot to RvR, af debuffs, dps debuffs, dots, lots of utility and slam.

But yes, 99% of time you wont get a group unless you have a strong purpose, healer/speed/insta mezz etc, or you have det.

"so that no class will stand alone at mtk yelling lfg for days without getting a group."

lol, exactly how I feel most of time unless its a guild group ;-)

Even so if I dont start making 100k a week, I'm gonna start soloing, which is a shame for me, as I feel I can contribute alot to RvR without det.
 
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Rulke-RM

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My RM was 8th when i stopped playing him. Now over a year later hes 14th, says it all really.

But you cant blaim people for playing classes that are effective, blaim mythic for having classes that are completly useless in RvR
 
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Kurik BHM

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Originally posted by Rulke-RM
My RM was 8th when i stopped playing him. Now over a year later hes 14th, says it all really.

But you cant blaim people for playing classes that are effective, blaim mythic for having classes that are completly useless in RvR

i thought he said he was blaming mythic...
 
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Xeanor

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savages.JPG


i think this is THE most important graph
 
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Rulke-RM

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Hehe didnt mean to sound argumentative, was agreeing. Just finished stint in malmo so a bit up tight and cranky :wall:
 
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Carlos Bananos

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Originally posted by Xeanor
savages.JPG


i think this is THE most important graph

:eek:


intresting...especially the zerk/bm numbers :>
 
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Belomar

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F*CK Mythic to H*LL for nerfing resistance debuffs! This pisses me off to no end. Look at that chart Xeanor posted and you'll see that all the three self-debuffers (Cabalists, RMs, and Chanters) are on the low third of that graph. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

:puke:
 
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Exinferis

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Originally posted by Belomar
F*CK Mythic to H*LL for nerfing resistance debuffs! This pisses me off to no end. Look at that chart Xeanor posted and you'll see that all the three self-debuffers (Cabalists, RMs, and Chanters) are on the low third of that graph. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

:puke:


they suck, really hope there is some love for cabalists in 1,66 or i will stop playing mine :<
 
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iluvatur

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why should cabalists nuke harder than fire wizards? 0_o... all pet classes should rely totally on their pets!!!1111111111 :p
 
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iluvatur

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anyways ..all you matter gone spirit fotm cabalists pffft ... bring back elfslayer imo :D
 
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Belomar

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Originally posted by iluvatur
anyways ..all you matter gone spirit fotm cabalists pffft ... bring back elfslayer imo :D
Casters are as far as they can be from being FotM. This is Dark Age of Tankalot, you know.
 
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Exinferis

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pfft all the n00bs respecced to spirit


me on the otherhand *cough* stayed *cough* matter :p
 
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iluvatur

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pfft all the n00bs respecced to spirit


me on the otherhand *cough* stayed *cough* matter


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<Excalibur> Herfølge Boldklub
Exinfer Arcessitor 50.7 Back to matter specc! <-------


must be a typo ;)
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Well, it used to be casters that were uber.
Now tanks are.
I hope next there is a balance, but I doubt it...
Shame Mythic cannot seem to handle it.
Regards, Glottis
 
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Ahqmae

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My valewalker is redundant.

Tbh, I as a hibbie have purge+2x GP - a thane is so fucking worthless you can't help crying blood for them.
 
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old.anubis

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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Well, it used to be casters that were uber.
Now tanks are.
I hope next there is a balance, but I doubt it...
Shame Mythic cannot seem to handle it.
Regards, Glottis

most casters are still ok
thankyouverymuch
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by old.anubis
most casters are still ok
thankyouverymuch

Yeah, have you even read the topic?
Think casters are ok?
Some high rr casters might still cope, just like some high rr scouts also managed to get through the see hidden period.
But for most casters the game is a lot less fun than for those little noob savages running around showing elite skills.
Regards, Glottis
 
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old.anubis

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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Yeah, have you even read the topic?
Think casters are ok?
Some high rr casters might still cope, just like some high rr scouts also managed to get through the see hidden period.
But for most casters the game is a lot less fun than for those little noob savages running around showing elite skills.
Regards, Glottis

one day last week played with two rr3 sms, was more or less ok (main deathspam was from crazy tho)

you can argue that savage > any mid caster, but it doesnt mean mid casters = shit
 
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Exinferis

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Originally posted by iluvatur
pfft all the n00bs respecced to spirit


me on the otherhand *cough* stayed *cough* matter


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<Excalibur> Herfølge Boldklub
Exinfer Arcessitor 50.7 Back to matter specc! <-------


must be a typo ;)


damn, forgot about that ;p
 
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catalina

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Determination is the main problem atm, but i don't think they can remove it completely without changin purge to a 10 or 15 min timer.

IMO make Det an active RA on a 5 min re-use timer :p
 
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belth

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50% higher last week RP on Savages than number 2, Blademasters... "IMO savages need love"
 
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foeewithin

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Arnor how comes you didnt whine when zerker was totaly overpowered? :rolleyes:
 
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Arnor

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Originally posted by foeewithin
Arnor how comes you didnt whine when zerker was totaly overpowered? :rolleyes:


fuck you you fucking scatmunching shitface, if you had a single braincell working for you, you would know that not only did I acknowledge the fact that zerkers were way overpowered, but I also did not play with low quickness (something that made zerks hit even harder) so, take a fucking hike before I come tear you a new one, capiche?


edit: and get the fuck out of my thread you mongrel
 
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old.Filip

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Hmmm go look at all the red in the buttom of the RPS pr week table for all servers ...

how come most alb class's are in the buttom .....

i knew it !! when you press alb realm on the server start up screen you become skill-less
 

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