a Heroic Problem

[Lusse]

there is one thing that bothers me.

If I choose to go the lw or cs way... it kinda means that i wont be as useful in pve as a s/s hero.

Now, the game is about RvR... but knowing that you will have to exp for 50 lvls... 50 long lvls before you reach the moment where you can rvr and nothing else. Its very important that you enjoy your PvEing aswell.

So, will a lw/cs hero be turned down into groups due not being a s/s?

or being a 50lw/cs, 42 shield, 34 weap, 20 parry.. would that welcome the hero into pve groups due good shield and still being able to do dmg with the 1h and having the 2h for rvr?

But then you think that maybe you would have more use of higher parry in rvr. So would 50lw/cs, 42 shield, 34 or 39 parry and 10-20 1h be better then? But would this be a bad choice for pve? due not being able to do much dmg with the 1h.

 

[Feldegast]

Yes the only thing you reall need to be vial int pve is the ability to taunt.. so putting a few points in shield and piercing aint a bad idea.. then U can use the LW/CS in RvR

 

[Lusse]

well, but how about 1hander or parry?

i.e having 50 on LW or CS gives me the choice of having either high parry or high 1hander. As I see slam with shield to important to choose away.

 

[Feldegast]

Yes get a tauntstyle with piercing and rest in parry (thats what I would do, cause in RvR parry might save ur ass one day, if they fix it :/ )

Altho I only have a lvl 20 LW heroine (and I hasnt followed my own advice lol)

 

[old.Reno]

If you want to go low weapon spec and still be an effective taunter with it, go blunt. To have an effective taunt with low 1-h weapon spec you need to maximize the damage per blow, which means getting as slow a 1-hander you can get. Blunt is the slowest around and it's not hard to find a really slow blunt.
The only slow piercers are crafted guarded rapiers (3.7?)or the shard of light (3.6). All other peircer are faster than 3.0.
How much difference there is between a low spec vs a high spec damage wise I don't know. Guess I'll have to test it someday.

Danita.

 

[old.KW]

dont forget in 1.52 u can respec, so go with whats best for pve for now and when ya done leveling respec to ya how u would like to be in rvr

 

[old.Biffsmash]

With blunt you hit slower and miss more than with pierce, this is why some people are going pierce to taunt.

A taunt should draw aggro more effectively than another style with higher damage from what I have noticed at lower levels (up to 29)

My Spear hero (lvl 10 at mo) is Max Spear, enough pierce for the taunt which will hit fast and often easily keeping aggro (ever seen low level shades take your aggro cos they hit faster? i have )

** Disclamer : The above info is what I have learned at low levels, at high level with very low pierce, the taunt may fall flat on its face I dont know **

Read Bedrocks Hero Guide, I did and its great IMO

http://www.akebono.cistron.nl/heroguide.html

 

[old.Reno]

The hit or miss rate for blunts or pierce is the same. However missing a taunt early in a fight with a slow blunt hurts a group more than missing with a faster piercer.

I will try to compare my unspecced blunt with a full spec blunt hero to compare damage. And try his unspecced pierce vs my 39 spec pierce.

Danita
47 pierce/hybrid hero

 

[Cloak_]

Taunt is a Taunt

Doesnt matter what dmg u do with it so long as it connects,,
If ur using a slow wep and u miss thats time for u to lose agro,, Remember tanks are not there to do the dmg to mobs thats the mages job
(that goes to LW ppl who go yey frontal assult coz i own with my ~100dmg when i can crit with pbaoe for over 500 easily )

If ur taking high lvl mobs and u have a chance for a few misses id go for as fast a wep as u can,
My champs peirce and can hold agro very well due to the insane swing spd,

 

[ceixava]

42 shield
50 cs
7 blades
rest parry

 

[old.Reno]

Sorry Forrest but a taunt is not a taunt.
The amount of aggro you get from a taunt depends on the damage you do.
Why do you think LW/CS heroes could keep aggro on the epic CF mobs/Legion and the dedicated PvE masters( high 1-h, high shield, high parry) couldn't. The s/s guys/girls couldn't out aggro the heals being thrown their way. While hybrids/2-handers could out aggro the heals.
This is a comparisson on very high lvl mobs, of which you'll only fight one at a time.
However when fighting fins/knights/SC mobs using a faster weapon with a very low spec might also not generate enough aggro to keep them off the healers.
I still need to check damage you do at levels 40+ for a non spec and a high spec weapon. If the numbers aren't all that different, say within 30%, a low weapon spec might be fine on the average purple Baf mob.

Danita.

 

[Feldegast]

OT

Ceixava - In the army - brb 6 months

lol

 

[Cloak_]

Danita ive played a tank long enough to know what keeps agro and what doesnt,, and sry but when I swing at 1.5 (hard cap swing spd) with a 100% quality wep I can damn well hold agro from them CS/LW peeps,, And if i wanna get uber agro from healer/mage I whip out LW quick Celtic Fury (just to take agro) and then swap back to P/S

 

[<Harle>]

Hate to disagree here Danita, but a s/s guy can easily outaggro any LW/CS guy due to having a much faster attack-speed and getting more Taunt-attacks in - especially on high-purple mobs (epics). Add to that that the s/s Hero needs far less healing, while the spearo has to outaggro the large druid-heals that are thrown at him all the time.

 

[Gorguss]

LW, CS guardians will out-aggro any S/S guardian as long as they hit and have a high specc. There is no way you can convince me otherwise But they have to hit though and it's there that the problem occurs especially on high mobs. Every time a guardiang hits with an aggro attack he/she will get aggro if it has'nt been attacked a lot. I've seen a lot of guardians getting aggro off mobs that are undar half health with two aggro hits after a S/S has been hitting it for a long time.

Gorguss out--

/edit: This discussion is'nt really important becouse a S/S will always be able to keep aggro on mobs that are high red/low purple. And a S/S is the only viable tank really, LW and CS will draw too much heals and might loose aggro.

 

[old.Biffsmash]

Surely as long as someone holds aggro from the mages/healers it wont matter?

If the pierce/sword tank can hold aggro on a mob without losing it to the caster, then the group will work? I mean if you are one of the 3 tanks holding 3 mobs, surely you aint trying to take aggro from another tank??

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So my question is, and I am not sure if it can be answered, is, at lvl 30 for example, can I keep aggro on a mob a caster is nuking, with my lvl 6? taunt?

 

[Kobold]

I'm a hybird hero with S/S and LW. I allways use shield and blade in hunting, I've tried with many different blades with different speeds and I must say I like the midnight vengance falkatta very good. It's very fast witch is nice in group hunt so you can fast taunt it again if missing. If a CS/LW dude hit on it too with taunt he will take aggro on the first hit cause of more damage instantly with taunt, but after a little while the falcatta have got much more taunts inn than CS/LW and will prolly take the aggro back.

I got 39 in blade though, if you get 1h to 7 for taunt I still won't do more damage per blow with 39, but with higher specc you incrace the minimum damage per blow. So if you have 7 in 1h you're damage output will be very varied...sometimes very low, but you will still keep aggro as long as you taunt.

But on the other side the LW/CS hero can tank as good as S/S if he is guarded by some with high shield.

My spec is:
LW 45
shield 42
blade 39
parry 20

only think i regret a bit is that I didn't put LW up to 50, that style is very nice. I can use slam though to stun and then switch...but slam won't do that much damage as the 50 LW back/stun attack. Not sure if CS have any very good high specc styles.

 

[old.Biffsmash]

Thankyou

I will keep pierce at the first taunt

Also, you can respec with the next patch I believe, so you may well get that 50LW you wanted

 

[Gorguss]

Originally posted by old.Biffsmash
If the pierce/sword tank can hold aggro on a mob without losing it to the caster, then the group will work? I mean if you are one of the 3 tanks holding 3 mobs, surely you aint trying to take aggro from another tank??

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So my question is, and I am not sure if it can be answered, is, at lvl 30 for example, can I keep aggro on a mob a caster is nuking, with my lvl 6? taunt?

No you don't try to tank another tanks mob but if the mob you are tanking dies early and there are two mobs left, then you attack the mob that is on the lowest lvled tanker becouse you take less dmg from mobs than he will due to lvl. This is when you will get aggro a little easier if you use LW or CS and hit!

To your question: Very likely but you will have a harder time holding aggro than one with higher blade skill and even they don't always manage to keep aggro, especially on lower lvls.