65 years ago today

[Marc]

REAL hero's

 

[Ch3tan]

Yep, and every year less and less is made of it

 

[gohan]

it's to be expected, who honours those that died at hastings? or at stamfordbridge? (not chelsea tho i wish they would)

not saying it's right ofc but its just how people are, we move on. we have to or the world would be even more depressing than it already is, we have to ignore the things that are happening around us or happened in the past so we can carry on with our lives.

 

[megadave]

time to break out the band of brothers blu ray!


gohan i think we need to remember the things that happened in the past, if they are forgotten, what is the point of them happening?

 

[Marc]

Well its something I wont forget. I went to visit Normandy with senior school and even at a tender age, it was still such an amazing experience. Then I went to Auschwitz last year, which isnt directly anything to do with D Day, but was still the second world war and I have no shame in admitting at times I was welling up. I would recomend Aushwitz to anyone as its such a surreal experience. I might even post some pics when I get chance.

 

[megadave]

Went to the Imperial War Museum in London yesterday, what a fantastic museum

 

[Lucius]

Real heroes ... relative to which perceived heroes? Would just like to know .

 

[Ch3tan]

it's to be expected, who honours those that died at hastings? or at stamfordbridge? (not chelsea tho i wish they would)

not saying it's right ofc but its just how people are, we move on. we have to or the world would be even more depressing than it already is, we have to ignore the things that are happening around us or happened in the past so we can carry on with our lives.

D-Day was in the lifetime of many people alive today, it is hardly comparable to the events you mention.

History should be remembered, and we should honour those that died in our recent history, as they shaped the world we live in today.

 

[Lucius]

Because I am supposed to be behaving myself I will not engage in an arguement with you cHodAX, but I think you are wrong.

 

[Ch3tan]

Although it pains me to say it, I have to agree with Lucius, you are far off the mark there cho.

 

[cHodAX]

Quite possibly, I am having a shit time at the moment and not in the best of moods, I will ask a mod to delete the post.

 

[Zenith.UK]

I've been doing some family history research lately and found out that my great-grandfather was part of the Allied offensive on Gallipoli in Aug 1915 during WW1. He was also wounded, carted back home and spent over a year recuperating (met his wife and married her). He served the rest of his service though and finished with something like 4 years 9 months of service to get his Victory Medal.

Another great-grandfather got shot through his jaw and out his ear. He also got a shrapnel injury *AND* got gassed on the battlefield in France. He still finished the war with full service and got his Victory Medal.

It's only when you realise that your family members were a part of WW1 or WW2 that you appreciate that all those heroes were just ordinary people in extraordinary times.

If you've got a relative who has seen action in either of the World Wars, make a point of meeting with them and getting them to talk about their experiences. If possible, record the conversation because you, your children or grandchildren may want to hear about it in years to come.

 

[Aoami]

Went to the Imperial War Museum in London yesterday, what a fantastic museum

omg i was there as well, we should've met up and gone for a beer in an inflatable purple cow or something

 

[Marc]

lol what did chodax say?

 

[Dukat]

lol what did chodax say?

I'm afriad thats... classified!

 

[Bahumat]

lol what did chodax say?

I'm gonna have a wee before bed.

Dunno what all the fuss was about.

 

[Zede]

it's to be expected, who honours those that died at hastings? or at stamfordbridge? (not chelsea tho i wish they would)

not saying it's right ofc but its just how people are, we move on. we have to or the world would be even more depressing than it already is, we have to ignore the things that are happening around us or happened in the past so we can carry on with our lives.

Never Forget what they did for us in WW2. You can learn more from what people did in the past to ALLOW us to carry on with our lives, you fool.

 

[Marc]

WHat we should never forget is what these men did. Could you do it? If it was all happening now would you go to fight and give your life? Well they did back then. I'm not pretending every Briton in WW2 was straining at the leash - far from it - but the British Isles still managed to raise around 5 million men (in total the Empire & Dominions raised around 8.5 million). I'm sure very few wanted to fight, but they still possessed a sense of duty and self sacrifice.

Society at large today is becoming increasingly fat, lazy, ungrateful and shallow, with a national pastime of watching TV. We have lived in a benefits society for too long and expect the world, while giving very little. We whinge and moan and complain at the slightest inconvenience. To suddenly demand that our young men switch off facebook, leave their comfortable lives and commit themselves to a military regime and possible danger would be unthinkable.

 

[Raven]

I would do it, I wouldn't necessarily want to do it but I would. I have respect for anyone that did fight in WW2 it was horrific.

 

[CorNokZ]

My grandfather was in the danish resistance against the germans here in Denmark and sabotarged railroads etc. When the war was over and the germans were leaving, he saw an officer on a horse, went up to him, took the horse and his Luger(!!!) and told him he was not worthy of riding anywhere and that he should walk home!

When he passed away(before I was born) my grandmom went down to the police station the next day with the Luger and gave it to them.. She hated that thing for everything it stood for!

I have so much respect for all the young boys and old guys who stormed the beach of Normandy and I will never forget them or what they fought for! They were the true heroes!

I myself has been to a KZ camp and as Marc said; the impact makes upon you is beyond words. I was speechles like the rest of my class all the way back to Berlin

 

[ilaya]

yeah those guys are true heroes... but anyone notice what nicholas sarkozy said this week?

the d-day commemorations are a mainly franco-american thing...

fucking ignorant twat he is.

 

[Calo]

every country made ALOT of losses and had their heroes.

 

[Marc]

every country made ALOT of losses and had their heroes.

Indeed. With all that happened at D Day its easy to forget everything else. Lets not forget, but by the time D Day happened, the Axis were broken anyway due to the Eastern front and the fighting with the russians, who, lost millions of men. Im not saying that becuase of this, less emphasis should be put on D Day, im saying that we should never forget all the other nations who helped out in the war.

 

[Marc]

yeah those guys are true heroes... but anyone notice what nicholas sarkozy said this week?

the d-day commemorations are a mainly franco-american thing...

fucking ignorant twat he is.

I read a little snippet the other day, about a couple of Brit D-Day vets who'd been to the 60th commemoration. The French gendarmerie were not going to let them near because they had not been invited. One soon fixed that by rather pointedly stating that "...we didn't have a bloody invitation last time we came here either, 60 years ago, but that never stopped us." They got a police escort to the ceremony...

 

[Azurus]

No one ever mentions the Russians who lets be honest did the bulk of the fighting.

edit: noticed its D day rather than VE which i thought it was for some reason. I retract my statement!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Whenever WW2 is in question, i don't disregard the heroes on allied side, but i do also remember the common soldier on the axis side as well.

Both sides fought without question on orders given from high above.

In the end we can speculate who was right and who was wrong on the leader side(not much speculating there), but the common soldier all deserve a moment of our thought-time.

 

[Turamber]

yeah those guys are true heroes... but anyone notice what nicholas sarkozy said this week?

the d-day commemorations are a mainly franco-american thing...

fucking ignorant twat he is.

My grandfather was in France after D-Day and he said that the French really did not like the British Army. They considered all of the bombing and killing to be due to us ... the Americans got a much better reception.

I am sure not all French people were like that, but it left an impression on him. Even now if you visit war graves and battle sites you tend to get a better reception in other European countries than you do in France.

The Dutch in particular are very welcoming, I was deeply touched by the commemorations in Arnhem and the laying of wreaths on the servicemens graves.

 

[Vintersorg]

No one ever mentions the Russians who lets be honest did the bulk of the fighting.

edit: noticed its D day rather than VE which i thought it was for some reason. I retract my statement!

Well, the Russians were originally allied with the Axis...Most of the fighting they did, was during the defense of Russia itself. I guess that's why they are generally less talked about when we're talking about the liberation of Europe (where it was actually the US/UK who did the bulk of the fighting)

 

[megadave]

People also seem to forget that it wasn't just the Nazi's who committed atrocious war crimes, the Soviets and the Japs were almost as bad, even us and the Americans had some explaining to do. When people think of evil they just think of Hitler, but he wasn't the only one.

But yeah, the fighting on the eastern front and in the pacific was far more brutal than what was dealt with on the western front, and it should be remembered as well.

 

[Ch3tan]

History is written by the victors, you will most likely never find out about things the winners did that were not quite right.