3 savage 3 healer assist groups

[shadowz]

2 thrust pole
1 thrust merc
1 pala
2 cleric
1 sorc
1 mincer
pala play defensive and guard etc rest assist kill

 

[old.mattshanes]

All mercs/arms in our guild now are either full thrust and pole or full thrust and dw and to be honest it's far more effective.

Had 1901 weaponskill as thrust last night, gimped? no way.Savages are the only targets that resist but it's not too bad on them if you land positionals good and disease not effecting you as much with thrust, well really not at all hardly.You got to take those healers down as fast as you can afterall anyway.

Good group that too shadowz.

 

[old.Bubble]

how come no one has tried alb pbaoe with VP, body sorcs can also debuff ice/fire etc. 2 cabbies and a sorc assisting each other would be nice (specialy with a 50% body debuff)
Also whats wrong with friars we look like casters and hit hard

Oh any saying a group doesn't need a sorc is insane you would be mezzed first every battle...and if a pbaoe group finds you..lol

 

[old.mattshanes]

Mezz means shit when 4 of your tanks have det 4 and we never lost in 5 hours so it can't be bad this was vs good enemies too.... sorc can be very good for support though like a previous poster said.We killed 20 mids out of 48 this week fg of our guild NO cc in HW i am sure the mids there remember.

Not saying a sorc isn't great, of course they are in rvr groups aslong as they are good ones(like xeanor,esoteric,yourself bah you shouldn't of sold :/,fyfe,cabbage)

 

[old.Bubble]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Mezz means shit when 4 of your tanks have det 4 and we never lost in 5 hours so it can't be bad this was vs good enemies too.... sorc can be very good for support though like a previous poster said.We killed 20 mids out of 48 this week fg of our guild NO cc in HW i am sure the mids there remember.

Not saying a sorc isn't great, of course they are in rvr groups aslong as they are good ones(like xeanor,esoteric,yourself bah you shouldn't of sold :/,fyfe,cabbage)

regrets after 2 days

 

[Demonblade]

tbh from what ive seen the past few days id swap out a sorc for another merc/pole anyday.

This morning in emain we had:

1 Cleric <with BoF>
1 Paladin
2 Mercs <det3/4, Purge, PF>
1 Thrust Polearmsman <SB>
1 Reaver
1 Minstrel <sos>
1 Infi <can be swapped out for second pole or third merc>


We ran rough-shod over everything that came our way. All /assist one person and you kill everything in a couple of seconds. 1fg of mids, 1fg of hibs, healer/savage group, and eventually 2fg of mids although we lost a couple of people. With Det and purge, and sos and bof nothing could touch us, and i wasnt mezzed for longer than a few seconds, stun meant nothing.

could be made even better i suppose

2 clerics
2 mercs
2 polearmsman
1 mini
1 paladin

or maybe

1 cleric
1 reaver
2 mercs
2 polearmsman
1 mini
1 paladin
Might not always work but it certainly did today.

 

[ilienwyn]

Reavers are certainly useful cause they increase the damage output of the whole group but it' so hard to fit everything in a an alb group that needs so many basic classes to start making groups. And something else to note, watch how we reached the state were we don't need sorcs so much in groups cause of instants/crap sorc defence/high determination...

 

[-ElemenT-]

Keep yer hands off Tindel!

 

[uma_thurman]

This thread is depressing and shows how the game is evolving into one for a chosen few.

If you happen to be any caster, friar or rogue you can forget about getting an "uber" group in albion if people adopt the tactics discussed in this thread. I cannot believe how even friars and sorcs are not considered worthy any more. Next people will be refusing crush and slash specced chars "as we need thrust to kill chain wearing mids quick"

Same story in midland too...unless you're a savage/skald/healer/shammie you're destined to be in a pick-up group and will get rolled by an uber alb group.

Emain is going to be uber alb group vs uber mid group soon.

There have been days recently where casual players cannot even leave APK before being rolled.

Before the usual witty "QQ" and whine remarks I say that this is not a whine...rather it's an observation about the state of the game and a lament about how RvR is gradually being ruined for all but the uber-gankers.

So have fun with your uber gank squads in whatever realm you play in. Just don't complain if you have nobody left to kill as they have buggered off to play something else or rolled a stealther

 

[old.mattshanes]

It's a shame RA's play a huge role in a group vs this type.If you have ultra melee damage output with 3 tanks or so that can be rarely cc'ed with them having prevent flight it's your best way of winning, if you have bof down you are fucked most times.(unless of course your tanks take their mend healers down hoping the pac healer doesn't perfect res.)

Bof may be good from mids point of view, but bare in mind mids it's like killing 6 healers vs these type of groups when they all have PR.Bring back HUGE fights in emain patch 1.36 days or before

 

[Bebopbo]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Nope.

2 clerics
1 mins
1 pala
2 mercs
2 thrust pole armsmen

Nope.

20 Clerics
15 mins
15 pala's
20 merc's
20 thrust pole armsmen

there you go.. a normal Alb grp

 

[jammin0o]

would rather not if thats ok with you i leave that to those mid gimps with the blue star on their cloaks dunno their guild [/B]

That'll be Dogma

 

[old.mattshanes]

Just retire all albs you can't beat them.Only if you have your ra's up or have a good sorc/assist tanks if you do not just log for the night.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Just retire all albs you can't beat them.Only if you have your ra's up or have a good sorc/assist tanks if you do not just log for the night.

Too true sadly, no RA's up = no chance.

 

[old.mattshanes]

If high rr perfect alb groups can't win often, what can? i thought i would never say that but it's true, like 2/10 times you would win or so.....the reasons for winning like i said earlier are rarer than a fuck from briana banks to be honest :/

 

[Danya]

1.36 sucked matt - see mids, get insta mezzed, get chain stunned while thanes and RMs ae spam you.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Danya
1.36 sucked matt - see mids, get insta mezzed, get chain stunned while thanes and RMs ae spam you.

The big thing for me is the resists and RA's plus interupts even on quickcast. Albion has so few active casters now because of survivablilty issues and damage output plus the lack of utility due to the 5 spellcaster classes. Yup other casters in other realms have the same problem but they have less classes so more utility which makes them more useful to have around. It says alot when the best group Albion can put out would have at the very most one caster.

 

[shadowz]

Originally posted by uma_thurman
This thread is depressing and shows how the game is evolving into one for a chosen few.

If you happen to be any caster, friar or rogue you can forget about getting an "uber" group in albion if people adopt the tactics discussed in this thread. I cannot believe how even friars and sorcs are not considered worthy any more. Next people will be refusing crush and slash specced chars "as we need thrust to kill chain wearing mids quick"

Same story in midland too...unless you're a savage/skald/healer/shammie you're destined to be in a pick-up group and will get rolled by an uber alb group.

Emain is going to be uber alb group vs uber mid group soon.

There have been days recently where casual players cannot even leave APK before being rolled.

Before the usual witty "QQ" and whine remarks I say that this is not a whine...rather it's an observation about the state of the game and a lament about how RvR is gradually being ruined for all but the uber-gankers.

So have fun with your uber gank squads in whatever realm you play in. Just don't complain if you have nobody left to kill as they have buggered off to play something else or rolled a stealther

Tbh a sorc add shitloads to a "uber" group if he can play his char well
Friar can be useful if they got good spec , for resist buffs and backup heals etc , tho they lack of determination therefor it's better with merc/armsman
Wizards = good in keep defence and @ relic raids , VP , Pbae
Theurgs can be useful in melee groups . look at pbuck f.e
Cabalists is good in keep defence / relic raids

But alb caster group might work well and can probably defeat mid fotm group
f.e
2clerics 1 pala 1 mind sorc 1 mincer 2 theurg 1 spirit caba
caba debuff spirit theurgs + 1 smite cleric nuke the shit out of them :>
2x pbt guard 2x bof pala can slamm / mincer can stun any tanks who purge etc

 

[kreig]

Just blame Mythic. Sort out savages, get rid of there Det and fighter HP after all they are a hybrid. Nuff said.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Bit amusing you calling Dogma zergers, when we rarely have people even for 1 group, and every time we go HW, we meet the Albion Realm Defense. Think mattshanes can assure you Dogma doesnt zerg.

 

[Kahland]

2 clerics 1 sorc 1 theurg 1 pala 1 minstrel 2 mercs

the theurg dmg add and haste is "almost" as good as another merc and you get pbt too. clerics must synchronize so f.ex when the theurg starts moc nuking a cleric must bof, then he'll get the full use of moc and not just waste it

this setup with 1 theurgist works incedible well for us, though the theurg we usually use says, "i like being in this grp, makes us die faster". But he's damn well doing a good job . I dont think we've lost to anyone yet 1fg vs 1fg with this.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Bit amusing you calling Dogma zergers, when we rarely have people even for 1 group, and every time we go HW, we meet the Albion Realm Defense. Think mattshanes can assure you Dogma doesnt zerg.

No you do not zerg, you guys are good.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Post more in the offtopic section imo matt, boring at work today :/

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by shadowz
theurgs + 1 smite cleric nuke the shit out of them :>

Once tried something "similar" when we had 3 clerics in an Odin fun grp (Tatter+Toxii), I was assisting wizard, but it sucked in 50% due to shorter nuke range of smite.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Hmmmm:

2 clerics
1 mins
2 palas
2 thrust mercs
1 thrust pole armsman

Both palas guard a cleric each while savages try to hit them?xD

If the palas have mob3+ might actually work and the tanks det4+

 

[shanks]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes

-Sorc mezzes and aoe str/con debuffs.

If your not meeting newbs or get a extreme jump on the mids that sorc is toast before you can say fotm.

 

[Gohrim]

Been reading loads of all wath u said here and many intresting ideas specialy the one shadowz mentioned about caster grps wich i think somone shuld defently try oute.

Mattshanes u said somthing about 2 pallas guarding its a good idea.
But try grping vermillon or bugge instaid thise are the only 2 paladins i know that swich guards and intercept on whoever is geting hit works just aswell ass 2 palas and u get 1 more free spot for a sorc

3 cleric idea is oute of the question u get 2 litle dmg if u gona do this then u gona need to have a theurg bot @ apk for dmg adds and haste (blade turn) and run back to apk every 10 mins.

Then somone said reaver.
Tryed that and tbh reaver is a disapointment over all.
They can interupt so wath .. like any pbaoe withoute moc is gona kill anyone anywhays.
Mercs make more dmg and they dont get rooted for like 50 seconds duo to the fact that they have determination.

The main problem for friars reavers and other hybrids is they dont have determination so they are not good eunugh vs the mids fotm setup.

I think mythic shuld look more into this special RA and concider ither nerfing it or alowing more ppl than only pure tanks to have it or as somone sugested remove it from savages as they actualy are hybrids.

Personaly i wish i culd play my friar in rvr more its the class i enjoy most of all playing but i cant. And as it looks mythic aint gona stop the savages so instaid of crying on irc or here i play cleric so can all u who feel like ur class have become usless just role somthing els. -.-

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by Gohrim
3 cleric idea is oute of the question u get 2 litle dmg if u gona do this then u gona need to have a theurg bot @ apk for dmg adds and haste (blade turn) and run back to apk every 10 mins.

It wasnt an idea, just we wanted to go out to Odin and had 3 clerics in grp (+mini +wizard), so tried to produce the best from that grp setup.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Some savages have determination 5 which is FUCKED up if you ask me :/ , sorcs must be halfway to the mental home after a night playing daoc.Check wizards/theurgs/cabalists last week's rps of the top 20 ones it's sad really :/

They should make determination capped at lv3, light tanks have 15% per lv and hybrids get lv3 too but 10% per lv.This wouldn't fuck cc up too much in my view but would give casters a chance aswell as tanks.

 

[Gohrim]

excelent sugestion matt