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[old.Sko]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca
and of course we all know taht the great battles through out history have ben filled with mez and stun spells

))))

Given alb's high population of sorcs we cannot exactly fill battles with mez, though sometimes lo and behold i see mez broken with stun.

Also for me a theurg is as high on my kill list as a sorc, why? because of pbt, if you don't kill the theurg you won't kill anything, and being a tank I'll never reach a sorc fast enough to stop that first mez anyways..

Hint-hint - mezzed warden doesnt have bubble.
But doh, they take too long to kill compared to cloth wearers

 

[maxgirth]

Had to laugh really,just finished a defended retake at Renaris,all tanks on doors apn loads of casters about (ours),we got pbaoed untold times but didn`t die until the end,guess what 1 of the casters shouted as the pile of dead tanks lay there?,ffs keep away from the doors rotflmfao,if only we had looked under the mat for the key,im dying to find out what this new way of getting into keeps is which doesn`t involve smashing gates to bits with swords rams which of course means being close to doors?.

If only Wyleia was there i`m sure she would have kept her fellow casters in toe by making sure they were constantly aoe`ing the gates,after all this is basics in defended keeps isn`t it?.

 

[wyleia]

I arrived at renaris about 2minutes before the second door was down and there were rams on both doors from what i could see.... Ram on door == no need for tank on door.
Lots of tanks on door == GTAoe's and PBAoe's going 'Cool im hitting loads of people'... Just ram on door == GTAoe's and PBAoe's going 'Gaa they are all off teh door :/'.. The ram user does not have to stand directly next to the door like the tanks do, and all you need on a door is a ram with one person using the ram and one person repairing the ram standing a ways back.

So to answer your question Max, the way to get into keeps when yo uhave a ram, is let the ram user up there using his/her ram and have no tanks on teh door to encourage the area effect spells on the gates. The ram user will not be right up against the door, they can stand a bit behind the ram even. Of course this only goes for the second door (the second door is where you are right up next to the icky pbaoes). Of course this is impt relaly only in cases like last nite at renaris.. I didnt see anything cuz i got there like 2min before the seocnd door fell, but i heard of the massive deathspam at the door later while traveling to erasleigh. So if there are people bombarding the door, our casters need to try to bombard them back and if we have a ram, everyone off the doors and let the ram do its job, takes about 2min longer than with the extra help of tanks, but worth it so all the tanks arent rez by the time we bust thru )

But then again im used to guild group keep takes... and when Jesi brings her rams (yes the psycho strength cleric can carry almost 2 complete rams... 2 ram part sets and 300 wood... ) and sets them up at the door im used to seeing all the tanks not on the doors but looking for incoming or protecting casters or guarding the gate keeper Would be interesting to time it next time.. how long it takes a ram vs how long it takes a ram + a few tanks to knock down a door



Oh and i dont bombard doors usually... Im usually way in the back out of archer range scouting for incoming....

 

[Turamber]

I also just arrived after the death spam - but I would probably have been on the door too had I arrived earlier. PBAOE & GTAOE are new to Midgard, were only given in this patch, so not many tanks would have come across a Mid defended keep using those tactics.

Also - it would have been helpful for the raid leader to have given orders re: the door. In the absence of instructions the tanks will hit the door, hell we have to hit something to take out our frustrations of always being to blame for everything

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by wyleia
keeper Would be interesting to time it next time.. how long it takes a ram vs how long it takes a ram + a few tanks to knock down a door

Aye it would especially with a lot of mercs there using flurry to, I would guess there were at least 15 tanks there last night, my point is if we are hitting the doors it`s quicker no matter what,and as we are being aoe`d it isn`t rocket science to aoe back is it?

It took at least 4 casts to kill us with no reply,so IMHO our casters were at fault, not us tanks, for yet again doing our jobs,and still " apparently " doing it wrong.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by maxgirth


It took at least 4 casts to kill us with no reply,so IMHO our casters were at fault, not us tanks, for yet again doing our jobs,and still " apparently " doing it wrong.

you stood there getting aoed without moving for 4 casts and then were dead and you think it's not your fault?!?!?!??! omfg

well, here's a little secret that a lot of people don't seem to know.. you can move about a lil bit when you get aoed!! also if you're really interested in bashing taht door whilst enemys are aoeing you then what you do is hit the door run back from the door, run back to door hit it again etc.. if your swing speed is low (like mine is) you'll not waste any time between hits, but you'll also get minimal to no damage from any aoes..

another matter, related to not moving, I've seen many people from all realms do the following:

run/sprint right to the gatekeeper, spam /s enter macros.. and just stand there and die, so that when inside they need a res right away, erm why?!? instead try, run/sprint up to gatekeeper, spam /s enter macro, KEEP ON RUNNING, go behind the keep around the corner, back the way you came.. whatever.. just don't stand still ffs, it's one of the stupidest ways to die imagineable

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca


run/sprint right to the gatekeeper, spam /s enter macros.. and just stand there and die, so that when inside they need a res right away, erm why?!? instead try, run/sprint up to gatekeeper, spam /s enter macro, KEEP ON RUNNING, go behind the keep around the corner, back the way you came.. whatever.. just don't stand still ffs, it's one of the stupidest ways to die imagineable

Something tells me you're thinking of my little trick at Beno the other night? I had actually ported out to rez some people with a ranged attack who had died outside the keep (was a bit pointless standing on the battlements waving my fist and yelling clear off to you ). I exited the keep, used the enter macro, rezzed my people ... only to realise as I was being ganked that I'd used the enter macro on the bloody hastener

Might explain the quickness of the ganking I received...

Would help if the keep architects kept the hasteners uniformly on the same side of the door and painted them in a flourescent colour

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca


you stood there getting aoed without moving for 4 casts and then were dead and you think it's not your fault?!?!?!??! omfg

Why should we have to move from the door when there`s a bucketful of Alb aoe`rs there??????,no matter wether the tanks should or should not be lined up at the door,staying static or moving between hits,we should be protected by our own PERIOD,10-15 tanks died 1 cast from any available aoe`er would have saved us,and what was going through my head at the time and must have been going through the others is," surely some1 will aoe in a minute".This was definately going through Sycho`s mind as his pm read " why the fuck didn`t they aoe gate?"

So in the nutshell, guilty of not moving from the door, as were the other tanks,now read between the lines of my post,and ask yourself these questions:-.........

1,Why didn`t we move?

2,Why did we have to?

3,Even if we should have moved,why wasn`t the gates aoe`d?

I made this post because i`m sick of tired of peeps blaming tanks or moaning about us ie:- running from enemies,breaking mezzers etc,so for once I thought I would be the voice of the brave but gullible Alb tanks,who died whilst thinking they would be saved,so instead of all the lame arse replies that we were doing things wrong which I will accept,plz someone out there who knows all the answers,tell me why the gates were not aoe`d?
and at the same time admitting that casters sometimes make mistakes also,proving that they are only human to.

Rant mode de-activated.

 

[Gimly]

Well the main reason that I have stoped going RvR is due to half of the Alb force not wanting to die and the other half just rushing about like headless chickens.

The half that dont want to die normaly end up holding the guards hands for 2/3 ports then travel to amg.. where as soon as the door opens they turn around and run away... I know most of you condem it but most of you do it

As for the ones that just run around they seem to nine times out of ten stay alive.. but get everyone ealse who does not have speed killed.

So RvR for me now is just :sleeping:

 

[old.mattshanes]

Let me add one thing, some people don't realise rps are so dam easy to get now, i could log matt on when albs are winning in emain for 1 day and gain 20-30k if i wanted to but i just can't be bothered because i think rvr is fucked up now really.Besides to the people who played rvr at high lv 1.45 or 1.36 versions in albion would realise rp was A LOT harder to get then as albs were out lved by far,but now seems albs have more lv50s that run from the sight of one mid.

Thing that makes me laugh is how many infs we create and hardly any get lv50,to the ones who do job well done!

Seems alb needs more mixed variety of classes than just one.

 

[old.Sko]

to conclude this thread.
Mattshanes is decisive father of albion theurgists.
Wear this title with pride

 

[old.mattshanes]

Bah nevermind.I liked to be known as the emote spammer who pisses some people off

 

[old.Sko]

Ouch. Was just joking actually. (As you've guessed english not my native - so prolly sounded rude )

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by maxgirth


1,Why didn`t we move?

Because uhm, you expect others to save you and can't be arsed to do it yourself?

Originally posted by maxgirth



2,Why did we have to?

Because if you didn't you'd have died (note also: aoeing the gates no longer stops attackers at the door being aoed, there's a snazzy new trick called gtaoe too )

Originally posted by maxgirth

3,Even if we should have moved,why wasn`t the gates aoe`d?

Yeah they should have been aoed, but still that doesn't excuse you standing there being hit for 4 casts *and* dying. Just because someone else does something wrong doesn't mean you don't adapt and continue as is, you use your brain ffs! take an example, you're at a traffic light and it's green or you so you'd keep gonig, now some law breaking ewul person goes zooming through even tho his lights are red.. do you a) brake rapidly and honk your horn in a rage or b) keep on going at full speed straight into this other moron because you're in the right and he's not?

from the way you're describing this keep incident you think b) is the correct choice... personnally I never want to be in a car with you

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca




Yeah they should have been aoed, B]

Thx,that`s all I wanted to hear.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by maxgirth


Thx,that`s all I wanted to hear.

still your own fault you died tho

Originally posted by Turamber

Something tells me you're thinking of my little trick at Beno the other night? I had actually ported out to rez some people with a ranged attack who had died outside the keep (was a bit pointless standing on the battlements waving my fist and yelling clear off to you ). I exited the keep, used the enter macro, rezzed my people ... only to realise as I was being ganked that I'd used the enter macro on the bloody hastener

Might explain the quickness of the ganking I received...

Would help if the keep architects kept the hasteners uniformly on the same side of the door and painted them in a flourescent colour

nah don't me you in particular, I mean *anyone* who has ever died getting into a keep after they managed to reach the general vicinity of the gatekeeper. Ever since I've been a bit more sensible than walking up to gatekeeper and standing there while he ports me, I have *always* gotten in alive, and only in worst case scenarios have I gotten inside with less than 60% life remaining. however when I'm bashing on doors, I have killed loads of people trying to get in simply because of their own stupidity (for lack of a better word)

P.S. (there are times when I decide to not get inside but instead to attack the attackers, and of course sometimes I do die then..)

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by old.willowywicca




still your own fault you died tho

Hehe I give up.

/salute