1H Battler or Malice as armsman?

[Rub]

well i'm wondering if i should use Malice or Battler in my 1h slot, as i will use the crush stun there will be a chance malice procs and sometimes i switch to 1h for some more defence, but battler's charge can be used whenever i want...

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

What is your spec? I run 39 Crush, 42 Shield and 50 2H and I have Battler in 1H for the to hit bonus with the lower weapon skill and the charge and Malice in 2H for the arrognace charge, the proc and damage.

 

[Kagato]

If your planning to actually fight with the weapon then you want malice for the proc.

If your hybrid/pure pole though, using slam and will rarely ever be using 1h styles then the Battler charge is well worth hanging onto. Malice charge is ok but in a long fight its pretty much suicidal to use, Battler charge is the all round winner with no penalty to worry about.

Even if your running in a group, you'd probably be better of saving the Battler charge and letting someone else in your assist train land the malice procs for how often your like to swing your 1H.

 

[jrjr999]

What is your spec? I run 39 Crush, 42 Shield and 50 2H and I have Battler in 1H for the to hit bonus with the lower weapon skill and the charge and Malice in 2H for the arrognace charge, the proc and damage.

No champ weapon?

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

No champ weapon?

No. Malice procs with a rate of 10% and the 25% debuff is just too powerful.

(Only way I'd try champ weapon is 2H Thrust for group RvR but then I would limit myself to not using 1H styles as the weapon skill would utterly suck with combined str/dex in 1H mode as opposed to str only in 2H mode.)

 

[Kinetix]

It is a nice question wich will take me a full post to answer....


































Malice!

battler just for charge

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

Always Malice IMHO. As others have already posted, Malice is one of the best (if not the best) melee weapons in the game.

You need that in your life! Now, go run coins

 

[Darzil]

I'm guessing you use mainly Pole, and swap to 1H occasionally.

What I'd suggest (unless you are attached to the /use on the Pole), would be to drag Malice 1H into the 2H slot from your inventory, thus not affecting the timer on your Battler. You'd not get the /use on Malice, but it's the proc that is most important.

It's why I swap Bruiser for Malice on my Merc, as both are there for the /proc, and leave Battler on the back and Champ weapon in left hand all the time for the /uses.

Darzil

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

I'm guessing you use mainly Pole, and swap to 1H occasionally.

What I'd suggest (unless you are attached to the /use on the Pole), would be to drag Malice 1H into the 2H slot from your inventory, thus not affecting the timer on your Battler. You'd not get the /use on Malice, but it's the proc that is most important.

It's why I swap Bruiser for Malice on my Merc, as both are there for the /proc, and leave Battler on the back and Champ weapon in left hand all the time for the /uses.

Darzil

Can you get a Malice Pole?

 

[Darzil]

Can you get a Malice Pole?

No, that's why I guessed he was Pole when he wasn't 1H. If he was a two hander he'd probably have been using Malice 2H, rather than talking about activating it 1H.

Darzil

 

[Influenza]

Can you get a Malice Pole?

Yes but only as a slash pole , unless they changed it.

 

[Moaning Myrtle]

Yes but only as a slash pole , unless they changed it.

Stupid Mythic. They should have Crush version as well in Pole, you can get Crush 1H and Crush 2H

 

[Kagato]

Stupid Mythic. They should have Crush version as well in Pole, you can get Crush 1H and Crush 2H

I've been having a go at the TL about that for years. still no result.

 

[Raimo]

I've been having a go at the TL about that for years. still no result.

Whats so bad about slash/thrust?

 

[BlackrazoR]

Whats so bad about slash/thrust?

Crush is str-based only and has a better damage table and the 1-h styles are nicer iirc.

 

[Rub]

well lets re explain it i'm gonna be crush pole(something like 50pole 34 - 39 crush 25 xbow 7shield rest parry) spec with champ weap in pole slot and battler or malice in 1H slot, i will be using my 1h weap for the crush stun so what effect would i 'see' more frequently? a charge every 15 mins or a proc on a weapon i'll hit my enemy 3 to 5 times with?(unless i use my 1hander almost whole fight)

 

[Kagato]

Whats so bad about slash/thrust?

Thrust is fine but malice/battler cannot be thrust in any kind of version so thats rather irrelivent.

Slash is just utter crap for enemy armour tables, go take a look for yourself.

Thrust is best all round for enemy armour tables, Crush is a close second and more suited for soloing, Slash is just crap for both.

 

[Raimo]

Well crush would be bit too much OP me thinks,considering even rr2 armsmen hit for 500+ dmg(and i have 31%crush on my NS)
So id think if there was a crush polearm,armsman like u(rr10+) would hit over 1k,so no thx

 

[Punishment]

Thrust is fine but malice/battler cannot be thrust in any kind of version so thats rather irrelivent.

Slash is just utter crap for enemy armour tables, go take a look for yourself.

Thrust is best all round for enemy armour tables, Crush is a close second and more suited for soloing, Slash is just crap for both.

Scale wearing hibs(Hero/Warden/Druid) all weak to slash ... casters all neutral ... mid leather(Shadowblade/Mauler)/studded(Hunter/Zerker/Savage) is weak to slash and hib rf(Blademaster/Ranger/Bard) is neutral ... So how exactly is slash gimp ?

However ... i dont think myself Malice would be best for a polearm ... as the melee bonuses for a 1 weapon out setup make it extremely difficult to get 10/10/10 ... cl weapon would be my choice ... But then again /face and spamming snare style would get abit boring after abit

 

[Rub]

Scale wearing hibs(Hero/Warden/Druid) all weak to slash ... casters all neutral ... mid leather(Shadowblade/Mauler)/studded(Hunter/Zerker/Savage) is weak to slash and hib rf(Blademaster/Ranger/Bard) is neutral ... So how exactly is slash gimp ?

However ... i dont think myself Malice would be best for a polearm ... as the melee bonuses for a 1 weapon out setup make it extremely difficult to get 10/10/10 ... cl weapon would be my choice ... But then again /face and spamming snare style would get abit boring after abit

crush -> better then slash
just compare who's resistant to slash, and who to crush

Resistant to Slash
Reinforced
Bard -> support
Blademaster
Ranger
Leather
Nightshade
Vampiir

Chain
Healer -> support
Shaman -> support
Skald
Thane
Valkyrie
Warrior

Resistant to Crush
Scale
Champion
Druid
Hero
Warden

 

[Punishment]

crush -> better then slash
just look at the resistances of slash, and the ones of crush

I have named what is weak to slash ... Only Hib/Alb leather is weak to crush and also Hib rf

So only thing i can conclude is you are after hibby stealthers ?

Because i dont think going for a 2nd rate damage type is worth it just for the 1h stun ... /face+snare should do the trick tbh

Also if you are just gonna blankly say Crush ---> Slash ... maybe throw in afew reasons

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Scale wearing hibs(Hero/Warden/Druid) all weak to slash ... casters all neutral ... mid leather(Shadowblade/Mauler)/studded(Hunter/Zerker/Savage) is weak to slash and hib rf(Blademaster/Ranger/Bard) is neutral ... So how exactly is slash gimp ?

No Hunters/Shadowblades/Zerkers/Savages in FGs nowdays. Thurst->Crush->Slash for FGs from Alb side and since Thrust arties suck it it Crush->Thrust/Slash.

 

[Raimo]

No Hunters/Shadowblades/Zerkers/Savages in FGs nowdays. Thurst->Crush->Slash for FGs from Alb side and since Thrust arties suck it it Crush->Thrust/Slash.

So u trying to say that mid grps dont run with a zerker ?
get a clue imo.

 

[Punishment]

So u trying to say that mid grps dont run with a zerker ?
get a clue imo.

Most importantly 90% of armsmen i know of are solo ... or wannabe soloers ... not like its a challenge rr5+

 

[Rub]

Also if you are just gonna blankly say Crush ---> Slash ... maybe throw in afew reasons

well sry but i edited my post with the restances

Because i dont think going for a 2nd rate damage type is worth it just for the 1h stun ... /face+snare should do the trick tbh

well u get ~2 free hits with a 6s stun why not use it? (and when malice procs if i'm gonna use malice, the enemys is pwned )

I have named what is weak to slash ... Only Hib/Alb leather is weak to crush and also Hib rf

So only thing i can conclude is you are after hibby stealthers ?

well there is more weak to slash(then crush) but just see what... and all support is resistant to you

but pls ppl can i get an answer on my original question

 

[Kagato]

Scale wearing hibs(Hero/Warden/Druid) all weak to slash ... casters all neutral ... mid leather(Shadowblade/Mauler)/studded(Hunter/Zerker/Savage) is weak to slash and hib rf(Blademaster/Ranger/Bard) is neutral ... So how exactly is slash gimp ?

However ... i dont think myself Malice would be best for a polearm ... as the melee bonuses for a 1 weapon out setup make it extremely difficult to get 10/10/10 ... cl weapon would be my choice ... But then again /face and spamming snare style would get abit boring after abit

Casters are neutral to everything, that arguement is not applicable.

Hero's and Wardens and druids are rarely seen solo, and in a group situration, only the druid/bard would be a priority target, the hero would usually be left till last unless bodyguarding.

In mean time all your primary targets are crush weak or neutral.

And if you spec thrust ALL hibs are neutral.

As for mids nearly all midgards primary support and tanks are all slash resistant, and savages are rarely seen these days, can't even remember the last one I fought, Zerkers are fair enough i'll grant you that but I wouldn't spec slash just to kill a zerker, which is easy to kill regardless, if it means all other tanks and support in midgard are resistant to me, not to mention skalds and valkyries etc.

You'd have to be either crazy or very short sighted to spec slash.

Over all Thrust grants the best benefits for weak/neutral vs resisted in number of classes with crush a close second, and for soloing Crush has the best options for the classes your most likely to meet.

Slash is utter crap over all, with very minor benefits for a huge penalty.

And yes I have tried all 3 damage types and even the enemies commented on how crap the damage was when I went slash.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

So u trying to say that mid grps dont run with a zerker ?
get a clue imo.

The only good zerker I have seen running around in a good FG was Raid, but let me get the clue first...

Muppet.

 

[Raimo]

The only good zerker I have seen running around in a good FG was Raid, but let me get the clue first...

Muppet.

Every mid grp has a zerk in it.
But as it seems u "solo" with ur armsman then u don know shit about fg RvR atm.
And we werent talking about good zerks just about that every mid fg has 1 in theire setup.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Yeah, will need Slash to kill the OP'ed solo zerker train in the FG then. I agree. Sigh.

 

[Punishment]

Yeah, will need Slash to kill the OP'ed solo zerker train in the FG then. I agree. Sigh.

Quit trolling ... make a point or fuck off tbh

Every mid group i have ever seen/run in has atleast 1 Zerker as a flexible banelord as in fg rvr having bonedancer convoker makes a whole lot more sense ...