1.82g, Respecs for Thane, Friar, Bainshee, Warlock, Infiltrator, Shadowblade and NS

[Belomar]

It's a pity Thanes didn't get more group boosts. Compared to Wardens, it's a joke, and no mistake.

 

[Puppet]

It's a pity Thanes didn't get more group boosts. Compared to Wardens, it's a joke, and no mistake.

I thought about that for a while, but actually... people dont seem to realize that *NO MATTER* what a Thane can do, it will *ALWAYS* be inferiour to another class. If a thane could cast better then a runemaster, the RM would be useless. If a thane could melee better then a warrior, the warrior would be useless.

So the class needs something which makes Mids (!) think.. WOW.. we want that (aswell!). You could give Thanes banelord, instant lifetap and such, but still.. that would make the bonedancer feel unwanted.

Just face it, the *ONLY* way thanes will be welcomed (needed) in a FG of Midgard, is to give them either endurance-regen or the PAC-line of Healers.

You can give Thanes 2K weaponskill and people will still say 'Warriors do better'. You can let Thanes nuke for 400 on 1.8 second-casttime and people will go 'Runemaster do better'. Its the faith of the hybrid. If you have something which is unique and needed (for example the endo-regen), then you might get into the groups on a common-base. Otherwise? Forget it.

 

[eggy]

Lightning-ball petspam?

Shit what am I saying, don't boost Mid groups any more!!

 

[Belomar]

I thought about that for a while, but actually... people dont seem to realize that *NO MATTER* what a Thane can do, it will *ALWAYS* be inferiour to another class. If a thane could cast better then a runemaster, the RM would be useless.

Eh, you're talking to a member of an RvR group who runs with a Thane BGer (Krauz) as part of our setup. I am well-acquintained with the strengths and weaknesses of Thanes in group RvR, and at the end of the day we prefer Thane over Warrior. TOA was the best thing that could ever happen to Thanes (and many other hybrids, especially Wardens and Friars)--with the advent of the Battlemaster ML path, it is actually viable to include a Thane in an RvR group.

Make no mistake, I am far away from being in the camp (to which Trollum and most Thanes belong) that constantly whines about how bad and how underpowered the class is, and how much shafted they have become in the past. I think they are a solid class that can fill a needed role in a Mid RvR group, and I am happy about our performance with one.

I am saying that it is a pity that Thanes did not receive more group boosts than they did when both Wardens (to a huge extent) and Friars (to a somewhat smaller extent) got it. Exactly what they should receive I am in no position to reflect upon, I am far from a Thane expert.

 

[Puppet]

Eh, you're talking to a member of an RvR group who runs with a Thane BGer (Krauz) as part of our setup. I am well-acquintained with the strengths and weaknesses of Thanes in group RvR, and at the end of the day we prefer Thane over Warrior. TOA was the best thing that could ever happen to Thanes (and many other hybrids, especially Wardens and Friars)--with the advent of the Battlemaster ML path, it is actually viable to include a Thane in an RvR group.

Make no mistake, I am far away from being in the camp (to which Trollum and most Thanes belong) that constantly whines about how bad and how underpowered the class is, and how much shafted they have become in the past. I think they are a solid class that can fill a needed role in a Mid RvR group, and I am happy about our performance with one.

I am saying that it is a pity that Thanes did not receive more group boosts than they did when both Wardens (to a huge extent) and Friars (to a somewhat smaller extent) got it. Exactly what they should receive I am in no position to reflect upon, I am far from a Thane expert.

I know u run with a Thane, Belomar. My point is, the consistent 'whiners' about thanes seem to forget the dualist role the thane-class has. Trollum (atos) is whining on IRC how he cant get a template with 10% cast-speed, 10% resist-piercing, 10% magic-damage, 10% melee-haste, 10% style-dmg, 10% melee-dmg. How he hits lower then a warrior. How his nukes are shit compared to a RM.

Im saying ---> most people who dont run a Thane now, will never run a thane UNLESS it gets something which makes them *NEEDED*. If you give them endo-regen, they have no choice but to take the thane. If the class doesnt bring anything which is needed, they will *NOT* take them into the group. Most people seem to think, whether correct or not, that other classes do a better job BG'ing the thanes. Also historically, thanes are considered to be gimps, which certainly doesnt help their case, especially not in PuG's. Fixed groups are, in the majority of cases, yours seems to be the exception, better off without the thane.

I agree with one thing tho, its kinda ironic a class who already had a spot in the group for the most cases, gets the biggest 'love' (warden), but if you take the groupability out of the equation, it was quite obvious wardens did need love (individually).

Also, no matter how you twist or turn it, giving thanes more groupability would result in an indirect groupability-nerf to some other Midgard-classes, which is hardly a solution. Perhaps removing banelord from WL/BD and giving it to Thane and Valkyre might be an option, and certainly improve thanes (and especially valks) groupability, but the BD's and WL's will complain. Thats how it is, there's 8 spots to fill and more then 8 classes.

 

[Righthandof]

giving thanes more groupability would result in an indirect groupability-nerf to some other Midgard-classes, which is hardly a solution. Perhaps removing banelord from WL/BD and giving it to Thane and Valkyre might be an option, and certainly improve thanes (and especially valks) groupability, but the BD's and WL's will complain. Thats how it is, there's 8 spots to fill and more then 8 classes.

so true. i think theres 15 albion classes and theres 8 spot(and 2 of them always taken for clerics, so theres 14 classes that want a spot out of the 6 left)... make group size maximum of 14 or something ;p

 

[Demon2k3]

friar change is nice, means alb grps running no pally can have ~red end with a std pot. pally needs 2k radius end chant now...

give pallys ability to use CTD aura .

 

[Kraben]

I very much enjoy playing my Thane and i've been against the majority and actually thinking that Thanes can do quite well in RvR.

What ticked me off was that heavy tanks got extreme loving in 1.81 and warriors are in fact our greatest opponent when it comes to getting a spot in FG rvr - the BG role. Thanes seemed obsolete after this patch.

Come 1.82 I fully expected Thanes to be compensated for their lack of group utillity - especially when thinking about CL's and warrior loving. Loving came but almost nothing that could be used in FG rvr meaning that after 1.82 ( if the patch goes live as it is ) the gap between warriors and thanes are gonna be even bigger than before.

The bs ppl are keep on sprouting about Thanes wants caster nuking dps and light/heavy tank melee dps is just sickening me.. Its not that we're asking for as of course it would make other classes obsolute. Yet something that could add to the groups utillity and make Thanes more desireble would be very much appriciated.

Im not sure what such new abillities could be, but certainly if Mythic can come up with all the new fluff especially heavy tanks recieved then why on earth cant they be more creative when it comes to thanes instead of focussing on thanes that only do pve and solo's in rvr.

Another thing that annoys me as hell is that Thanes are now forced to respec if they want parts of the new fluff. Latest addition to 1.82 we recieved a free respec, but what about all those thanes who are axe or sword specced ( like myself as sword ), we're gonna have to redo entire suits just to fill in on the new hammer specced bandwagon.. Its just silly as hell tbh and a poor attempt on "fixing" the class.

 

[Illudian]

Pallies respec warlord imo and let friars do the bg

 

[Demon2k3]

Pallies respec warlord imo and let friars do the bg

my pallys allready warlord and i love it. it's great for soloing with heal/pow/end shout. end reduction. CTH reduction and so on . i'm longning for the ml10 ability.

 

[scorge]

I was going to post a picture of a certain radical extremist in the news recently...

what tony blair ?

 

[Righthandof]

my pallys allready warlord and i love it. it's great for soloing with heal/pow/end shout. end reduction. CTH reduction and so on . i'm longning for the ml10 ability.

you'll love the ml10 warlord stuff. ive been warlord for a month and its a great line, but only for solo. tbh i didnt use everything, ml2 is nice, critical increaser sounds good(does nothing tho), fatigue cost reducer sounds good(does nothing tho).. but ml10 is awesome, 25% absorb + battler charge + som morph and you can keep /dancing while theres 3 tanks on you, the heal chant will compensate their damage.. ^^ funny thing.

 

[Herjulf]

OMFG

Friar

- The Fatigue Cost Reduction spells, Saint's Energy, Saint's Stamina, Saint's Persistence and Saint's Tenacity, are now group buffs.

SICK

 

[xxManiacxx]

I know u run with a Thane, Belomar. My point is, the consistent 'whiners' about thanes seem to forget the dualist role the thane-class has. Trollum (atos) is whining on IRC how he cant get a template with 10% cast-speed, 10% resist-piercing, 10% magic-damage, 10% melee-haste, 10% style-dmg, 10% melee-dmg. How he hits lower then a warrior. How his nukes are shit compared to a RM.

Im saying ---> most people who dont run a Thane now, will never run a thane UNLESS it gets something which makes them *NEEDED*. If you give them endo-regen, they have no choice but to take the thane. If the class doesnt bring anything which is needed, they will *NOT* take them into the group. Most people seem to think, whether correct or not, that other classes do a better job BG'ing the thanes. Also historically, thanes are considered to be gimps, which certainly doesnt help their case, especially not in PuG's. Fixed groups are, in the majority of cases, yours seems to be the exception, better off without the thane.

I agree with one thing tho, its kinda ironic a class who already had a spot in the group for the most cases, gets the biggest 'love' (warden), but if you take the groupability out of the equation, it was quite obvious wardens did need love (individually).

Also, no matter how you twist or turn it, giving thanes more groupability would result in an indirect groupability-nerf to some other Midgard-classes, which is hardly a solution. Perhaps removing banelord from WL/BD and giving it to Thane and Valkyre might be an option, and certainly improve thanes (and especially valks) groupability, but the BD's and WL's will complain. Thats how it is, there's 8 spots to fill and more then 8 classes.

Trollum won´t stop whining until he nukes as hard as a rm, have chambers like warlock and hits as hard as a savage/zerker

 

[Ironfalcon]

Maybe I should come back and toa/ml my friar..

 

[Docs]

The friar grp buff wont change the fact that albs still cannot sprint at all in
any fight unless you have a pally stuck to your back.

End pots you say? Yeah, I use em. However it means I cannot use powerpots.
Besides, 1 end bar every 90 seconds is often not enough.

And the end regen pots are still stuck on a 2 min duration

We still have to choose between a short range end buff on pally and resists from the friar.

 

[brad]

Btw when is 1.81 comming?

I want me warrior lub now

 

[Ironfalcon]

The friar grp buff wont change the fact that albs still cannot sprint at all in
any fight unless you have a pally stuck to your back.

End pots you say? Yeah, I use em. However it means I cannot use powerpots.
Besides, 1 end bar every 90 seconds is often not enough.

And the end regen pots are still stuck on a 2 min duration

We still have to choose between a short range end buff on pally and resists from the friar.

Ever heard of paladin ressist chants? heat/cold + elemental ressist chant.. afaik I they stack..

I'd use End, AF, and use the heat/cold + elemental chant depending on what realm (Heat = hibs, Cold = mids )I was fighting.

 

[Righthandof]

Ever heard of paladin ressist chants? heat/cold + elemental ressist chant.. afaik I they stack..

I'd use End, AF, and use the heat/cold + elemental chant depending on what realm (Heat = hibs, Cold = mids )I was fighting.

hehe aye, finally someone realized this.. friars have 24% resists, most pallies have 20% resists..(if you spec a bit higher in chants you can have even 30%).. as single + advanced resist chants stack

 

[Vodkafairy]

however a pala will not have the chants up on everyone all the time, far from it. that said, arethir or whoever was the paladin in the alb group we fought yesterday had it up on more then 50% of my nukes, thats a first though

 

[Dr_Evil]

cause they looked like crap and you had a hard time sitting on your chair from laughing so hard after seeing the new models?

To me it looked like they were just place-holders for testing? (short solution for code-stuff maybe?) I almost fell off the chair laughing too when I saw the croc-tooth axe, but seriously that couldn't really be meant to go live anyway. Looked more like a spoon than an axe, and the Battler looked like an hour-glass on a stick with bongo drums.

To me it's just a little disappointing that they go back to the old wrongful models again, as I was expecting them to replace them with the real versions, but I guess we'll have to wait longer then (I hope they didn't give up on it because of all the whine on VN boards and emails they got from people who were not satisfied with the place-holders.)

Some people just whine about EVERYTHING, the community have asked for Malice/Battler hammers that look like hammers almost since ToA day 1, and when we finally see a sign of change people assault Mythic claiming they don't want ANY changes. Just don't hope Mythic is actually giving in for the whiners and think that everyone share the same opinion.

 

[Lethul]

And moving hasteners \o/

didnt they move him to your rebuff spot anyway?

 

[Lethul]

The friar grp buff wont change the fact that albs still cannot sprint at all in
any fight unless you have a pally stuck to your back.

End pots you say? Yeah, I use em. However it means I cannot use powerpots.
Besides, 1 end bar every 90 seconds is often not enough.

And the end regen pots are still stuck on a 2 min duration

We still have to choose between a short range end buff on pally and resists from the friar.

end regen pot + end reduction + tireless <3

 

[atos]

I know u run with a Thane, Belomar. My point is, the consistent 'whiners' about thanes seem to forget the dualist role the thane-class has. Trollum (atos) is whining on IRC how he cant get a template with 10% cast-speed, 10% resist-piercing, 10% magic-damage, 10% melee-haste, 10% style-dmg, 10% melee-dmg. How he hits lower then a warrior. How his nukes are shit compared to a RM.

Trollum won´t stop whining until he nukes as hard as a rm, have chambers like warlock and hits as hard as a savage/zerker

Somehow you managed to missunderstand me again Pup, I've never said anything remotely like that. Stop making things up to make me look bad please you troll.

I've pointed out alot of times that the issue with templates for thanes still remains. There are not enough hybrid items nor artifacts out there.


You managed to write it backwards. I nuke harder than any warrior and I melee better than any RM possibly could.

 

[Ctuchik]

- Wardens can now get Mastery of Blocking as a Realm Ability.

I wouldn't mind getting that 'bug fix' tbh

and just to think they REMOVED that RA from wardens about a year ago to.......

 

[Ulca]

i want an idea for sb temp

can i have urs ?:eek2:

 

[Chimaira]

however a pala will not have the chants up on everyone all the time, far from it. that said, arethir or whoever was the paladin in the alb group we fought yesterday had it up on more then 50% of my nukes, thats a first though

Arethir is my love pala. Thanks for pwning us when I got irl owned by 5 visitors =]

P.S Arethir is really good with using the chants to maximum potential