1.65I - VP change!!

[belth]

Originally posted by Rollie
yes im sure 10 middy tanks would wipe out 50+ppl from bolt range instantly, oh wait i forgot the savage can

Trust a middie to be stupid... Don't like VP? Don't play.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by belth
On the VP thing... Midgard melee's should no longer be able to attack same target during a 1 minute perioid and Hibernian mages should not be able to cast on same target during a 1 minute perioid, if you want VP to be non-stacking, etc... Sound good? k, good that we're thinking alike.

holy shit, is he this retarded or is it a joke?

I seriously cant tell

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by belth
Trust a middie to be stupid... Don't like VP? Don't play.

I dont mind VP, its just overpowered when multiple wizzies stack it at the same time, but hey, your argument was funny at best so i can see why you posted this

If you cant back up your stupid posts dont post

 

[belth]

Oh so it's ok when a couple savages rip thru any class no matter what in less than 3 seconds, but god forbid if a wizard whos only thing is damage actually can do that, or does what most tank-groups do today, /assists!

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by belth
Oh so it's ok when a couple savages rip thru any class no matter what in less than 3 seconds, but god forbid if a wizard whos only thing is damage actually can do that, or does what most tank-groups do today, /assists!

I was gonna give you a shovel, but I see now that you got the heavy mining equipment up already and are hard at work

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by belth
Oh so it's ok when a couple savages rip thru any class no matter what in less than 3 seconds, but god forbid if a wizard whos only thing is damage actually can do that, or does what most tank-groups do today, /assists!

when savages can do it from bolt range and instantly then ill have np whatsoever with wizzies doing it, but saying <class> rips through <classes> so that justifies bolt range stackable insta which if used properly could easy wipe the majority of a relic force is just plain laughable, but hey your just a stupid person, i wont say alb as thats generlizing and i know 99% of albs arent as stupid as you.

 

[belth]

Asking for unstackable plain damage is retarded and your just looking for a way out of doing that.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind Pac-healers losing the ability to cast a mezz after insta-stun?

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by belth
Asking for unstackable plain damage is retarded and your just looking for a way out of doing that.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind Pac-healers losing the ability to cast a mezz after insta-stun?

Mythic has said theyll look at multiple VP's stacking


and no, I dont think many healers will mind that, or warriors for that part

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Rollie
I dunno how this would be implemented but a way to stop stacking VP would be nice



The patch didnt effect me in anyway but i feel for thanes, yet another patch goes by and they are still a class with absolutely nothing in terms of group viability

Casters as a whole are having a hard time, and tbh i cant see mythic ever fixing the whole resist system.

The only way I could see them fixing things would be to totally rework equipment bonuses/sc/etc so that people couldn't max out on everything, but there would be such an outcry on this that i doubt they would ever do it.
TBH if they had implimented a system where people wouldn't actually be able to max all resists/skills/stats it would leave the game more open for all classes..... but that's just a pipe dream.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by belth
Asking for unstackable plain damage is retarded and your just looking for a way out of doing that.

No im saying that if used properly stacking VP can instantly wipe out groups/relic forces, which means its grossly overpowered.

Example, 150 mids inside excalibur, on the 3rd door, lag is terrible, 6-7 organised wizzies use VP

average damage 350-450 depending on resists

so take 400

400x6=2400hp

or

400x7=2800hp

With fall off it wouldnt instantly kill everyone BUT it would kill a great majority of the relic force, now you say its fair that 6-7 wizzies have the capability of doing this?

You think 6-7 assisting savages could do anything close? no which shows your point as being stupid.

Originally posted by belth
I'm sure you wouldn't mind Pac-healers losing the ability to cast a mezz after insta-stun?

lol sure, i wouldnt have any problems what-so-ever, most pac healers are 44 pac which gives a <10 second insta stun with 150 radius(the length of your char laid horizontally), even if stuck it will catch 2-3 ppl at max. Insta stun used to be good pre resists/deter, now its almost useless but this once again shows you actually know nothing.

 

[kirennia]

Saying 3 wizards could wipe out a relic raid force purely with VP is silly. Right so in fg vs. fg encounters they fire it, one healer does an insta grp heal and its sorted. VP isnt overpowered here.

In relic raid size force, 2 healers or more from each grp would b required to fire off group heal. It's a damn good RA but tbh, if a healer can't fire a grp heal in time in between natural human delay between VPs, they got something wrong with em or are damn unlucky. Also, don't stand so close together otherwise normal aes will kill you anyways.

In conclusion
Crap for fg vs fg
Great for large scale RvR

 

[old.Zoyster]

Nerfing VP is just ridiculous, the one peice of fun we get, is stripped in the following patch......why are mythic so intent on Damaging Wizards all the time!! How the hell can Enchanters Get STUN, DEBUFF and NUKE all in 1, yet we get Nerfed for soemthing that Tbh aint that usefull anywayz................. I can safely say that VP has never saved my life of really got me kills..........its just pathetic.

All Mythics decisions are based on US servers............. there must be a ghey group out there who travel with 7 VPs or something.

I wish they sould actively show and justify their decisions, about a game I have played for 2 years !! sod the US servers.

Midds have Aoe Stun and PBAoers, so why Nerf us ??
Midds have Savages !!!!!
Hibbs have GP !
Hibbs have Enchanters!!!

Thanks a bunch, Mythic !

 

[parzi]

albs have bof and sos and df
but yeh poor zoy outlaw gets lub 1,65 and y00 get nurfed :/ not like wizzies deserved it

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by kirennia
Saying 3 wizards could wipe out a relic raid force purely with VP is silly. Right so in fg vs. fg encounters they fire it, one healer does an insta grp heal and its sorted. VP isnt overpowered here.

I dont think 3 wizzies could wipe out a relic force, but im very sure 6-7 "organised" wizzies could wipe out a vast majority from bolt range.

Also if your group insta is down and your hit for 3-4 VP say 400 damage per thats a max 1600 damage, that leaves me with around 260-300hp depending on what buffs i have, now this is from bolt range which means i now have to stop and cast a 3 sec group spread heal, in this time its very easy for a sorc to get a bolt range mezz off or a debuff that interupts me while the tanks run in.

VP stacked right by organised people can wipe groups/relic forces relatively easy imho, and no i dont think its right 6-7 people should be able to wipe a majority of a relic force with 1 insta from bolt range, these are my views on Vp, its a nice Ra but stacking it is a problem.

Originally posted by kirennia
In relic raid size force, 2 healers or more from each grp would b required to fire off group heal. It's a damn good RA but tbh, if a healer can't fire a grp heal in time in between natural human delay between VPs, they got something wrong with em or are damn unlucky. Also, don't stand so close together otherwise normal aes will kill you anyways.

In conclusion
Crap for fg vs fg
Great for large scale RvR [/B]

If the VP's are synchronised right as in MA gives the go all VP's used in the lag of a RR no healer will be able to use his group insta/spread heal before all the insta VP's land imho. Also VP has a 700 radius, its scary how far that reaches.

 

[old.Zoyster]

Obviously Wizards on US servers have Pwned at Keep Defence......... but why don't Mythic lets teh Enemy show skills instead of Nerfing us.

IF a Wizard is kileld as he tries to VP, then there goes your stacked VP.

If a wizard is killed, his VP is useless while RS.

Why Mythic, don't you let people play with Skill, instead of over doing the balancing..... and pissing people off.

The explanation.....VP is nerfed to work in line with opriginal intentions..... means nothing but BULLSHIT.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by old.Zoyster


Midds have Aoe Stun and PBAoers, so why Nerf us ??
Midds have Savages !!!!!
Hibbs have GP !
Hibbs have Enchanters!!!

Thanks a bunch, Mythic ! [/B]

Alb also has alot of unique things that kick ass also and nerfing the radius is wrong imho, just dont make it stack and VP is fine

and i agree wizzies need some help, its a boring class that is very cookie cutter.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Rollie
With fall off it wouldnt instantly kill everyone BUT it would kill a great majority of the relic force, now you say its fair that 6-7 wizzies have the capability of doing this?

Is it fair that the Mid GTAE line is in a popular spec line, while Alb and Hib ones are in impopular lines very few spec? GTAE is uber in relic defense.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Rollie
lol sure, i wouldnt have any problems what-so-ever, most pac healers are 44 pac which gives a <10 second insta stun with 150 radius(the length of your char laid horizontally), even if stuck it will catch 2-3 ppl at max. Insta stun used to be good pre resists/deter, now its almost useless but this once again shows you actually know nothing.

Getting a "full duration" AoE-mezz on det-less support is useless?

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Belomar
Is it fair that the Mid GTAE line is in a popular spec line, while Alb and Hib ones are in impopular lines very few spec? GTAE is uber in relic defense.

get me 6-7 runies that can wipe out 50-100 people in 3-4 seconds and ill happily admit im wrong.

this isnt about spec lines, its about stacking VP, if you wanna whine some make a post about Rc RM with GTAOE.

nice try belo

come again

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Rollie
No im saying that if used properly stacking VP can instantly wipe out groups/relic forces, which means its grossly overpowered.

If used properly, so can RoD. So can insta-mezz/stun and pbae. So can Bladedance. So can Thanes!

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Rollie
get me 6-7 runies that can wipe out 50-100 people in 3-4 seconds and ill happily admit im wrong.

Last I checked GTAoE interrupted... Now what do interrupts do to casting?

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by belth
Getting a "full duration" AoE-mezz on det-less support is useless?

it wont be full duration due to resists, only 1 person will get the full effect then there is the fact you have a 1 in 8 chance of hitting a sorc who by then has already stopped to cast aoe mezz from bolt range.

I really suggest you goto middy prydwen, roll a pac healer and play him, then come back and tell me how fantasticly uber insta stun is, hell id trade that for mezz reduction or one of many cool alb utilities, aoe stun nowadays is almost useless.

 

[old.Nol]

VP keep the radius and move it to 1500 range.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Rollie
get me 6-7 runies that can wipe out 50-100 people in 3-4 seconds and ill happily admit im wrong.

Get 50-100 people standing in a VP radius, and 6-7 Runies with RoD, together with a Pac Healer with Insta-mezz and there you go.

Originally posted by Rollie
this isnt about spec lines, its about stacking VP, if you wanna whine some make a post about Rc RM with GTAOE.

nice try belo

come again

And stop using the word 'stacking'. There is no 'stacking' here. 'Coordinated use' is a much better term.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Pin
If used properly, so can RoD. So can insta-mezz/stun and pbae. So can Bladedance. So can Thanes!

Can you please show me the link to 6-7 thanes killing from bolt range by stacking mjollner, or 6-7 RM using RoD from outside a keep and wiping vast amounts, as for healers insta stun>sm pbaoe, to cover the 700 radius of VP, you would need 2-3 healers all with lv48 insta stun to run into the relic keep insta stun and as it lands the sm start pbaoe :great:, a touch more difficult than 6-7 wizzies standing outside the relic keep, getting an inf to select a target in the middle of alot of enemies and all 6-7 wizzies /asisst

ill take this post with a pinch of salt pin

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Pin
So can Thanes!

Yeah 200 people all hit by insta stun with no det whilst all standing on top of each other and 50 dex buffed thanes dropping hammers all at the same time...

OMG nerf thanes! they are teh ubeur!

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Pin
Get 50-100 people standing in a VP radius, and 6-7 Runies with RoD, together with a Pac Healer with Insta-mezz and there you go.

RoD will react when someone stands on it meaning it would have to manually placed previously, unlike Vp which can be used in coordinated use to insta kill from outside/inside the keep without LoS and from bolt range with a much bigger radius.

Also RoD/mjollner/aoe stun>pbaoe in open rvr and rr are not even close in comparison to co-ordinated VP use imho.

Originally posted by Pin
And stop using the word 'stacking'. There is no 'stacking' here. 'Coordinated use' is a much better term.

I beg your forgivess sir, please dont give me detention


Like i said VP is a nice RA, but coordinated use of it by multiple wizzies in groups/rr just make it unbalanced.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Rollie
RoD will react when someone stands on it meaning it would have to manually placed previously, unlike Vp which can be used in coordinated use to insta kill from outside/inside the keep without LoS and from bolt range with a much bigger radius.

Sorry. When did VP stop needing LoS?

And why do people have to be at range?

And RoD doesn't need to be 'placed previously'. It can just be dropped into the middle of a bunch of people and will go off a second or so later. Stick 5 of them against a door and boom, etc.


I'm not saying that VP used this way is not devastating. I'm just saying there are PLENTY of other methods available to all realms to wipe a relic raid force in seconds with a very small number of people.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Pin

And RoD doesn't need to be 'placed previously'. It can just be dropped into the middle of a bunch of people and will go off a second or so later. Stick 5 of them against a door and boom, etc

I'm not saying that VP used this way is not devastating. I'm just saying there are PLENTY of other methods available to all realms to wipe a relic raid force in seconds with a very small number of people. [/B]

sorry but i disagree totally, there is nothing in comparison in the other 2 realms to co-ordinated VP use in rr and open rvr to an extent, the fact that co-ordinated use it can kill an enemy group from 1875 range instantly, or at a relic raid 6-7 wizzies with Vp depending on LoS(i didnt think it needed LoS maybe a wizzie could confirm this for us) can insta kill, this is the difference.

I agree that other realms can do damaging things but nothing to the extent of VP which is where i feel its unbalanced.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Rollie
or at a relic raid 6-7 wizzies with Vp depending on LoS(i didnt think it needed LoS maybe a wizzie could confirm this for us)

I have a wizard with VP, thanks. It requires LoS like everything else.