1.56....Mercfiltrator ?

[krait]

With the advent of no IP for assassins ,is a dual-wield spec going to be even more viable now ?
The reasoning being that Infs will now need to finish fights quicker and a high dual-wield with duallist reflexes and high MoP etc should accomplish this aim <shrug>

Only had a quick go at the character creator and came up with

Stealth 36
Envenom 37
Slash/Thr 39
DW 39 (lower perhaps)
Crit 39 (higher perhaps)

That's if i can ever be bothered to level my Inf again.

 

[Yussef]

Get 50 thrust, 9secs of killing m'kay

 

[krait]

That's what i've been aiming for with Mat for ages Yuss.

Dual-wield spec does look interesting though..... both weapons hitting with crits and poisons.

 

[Yussef]

Drop the stealth/envenom to low 30's for a better template.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Although an inf is a great class there is becoming a lot of them aswell as sbs in the game which will soon make casters retire if it carries on,ns population isn't too bad,people should have a go with a few classes rather than "my friend is one i be one too" option.

However since ip is removed being more of a melee character would be needed for an inf to be dangerous against all classes once again,some people don't like mercfiltrators but they are the best way to go according to views i have heard from a few albs.

 

[Generic Poster]

IP won't make much difference to final specs, you'll still see more Dragonfang-classic-infils, then merc-infils.

When Dragonfang is nerfed(with 99% of infils respec'ing to join the party, it won't be much longer), you'll probably see more merc-infils with the 50DW style. Even slash infils might make a comeback!

Until DF is nerfed, you'll see more infils with it, then without.

 

[Sharma]

hmmmm i used to think inf were one of those classes you rolled when you got too pissed off when your caster kept dieing.

 

[Derric]

When IP is removed you will still be killing thanes

Something like 37 stealth 50 thrust 44 cs 35 env and 20 dw gives you a nice PA,good de-taunt dw style,dragongfang,and 3 styles in the cs evade chain.( which rocks after dragonfang.)

 

[Ezeine]

I'm going with the following spec for my inf:

35 stealth
50 thrust
35 env
34 cs
34 dw

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Although an inf is a great class there is becoming a lot of them aswell as sbs in the game which will soon make casters retire if it carries on

Playing an assassin class holds no interest for me, looks very dull. If I wanted to play solo I would go plug in my PS2.

Hopefully the upcoming and much needed nerfs to assassins of all realms will mean the assassins have to be more careful in picking their targets - which should make a casters life a more pleasant one.

The way things were going RvR would have consisted of stealthers from all 3 realms wandering around looking for each other.

 

[old.linnet]

IMO, things won't improve until they can do something to make support classes/specs more viable and fun when compared with pure damage classes/specs.

It's pretty depressing to wander the Plains and have everyone you see be a scout, infil, cabalist or wizard ... with a few non-rejuv friars and non-earth theurgists. And it's really not good for Alb as a realm.

I think the changes they proposed making to primary healers in this patch are far more significant (and good) than the very very minor nerf on assassins. (OMG, buffed assassins only get to evade 50% of the time! )

Now I hope they get the hell on with giving us RP for crowd control, debuffs, etc!





Lin

 

[kr0n]

So far Ezeines spec > all rest.

 

[Murcalumis]

Over on the VN Boards a while back I watched someone's video of a Mercfiltrator. He had 50 DW for the last (apparently good) style and 50 thrust for Dragonfang. I can't quite remember, but he had about 30ish in stealth and evenom.

Depending on whether you've autotrained blah, blah, blah and what your preferences are they'd be different, but you can get 34 evenom (eventually allowing lifebane with RR and bonuses) and around 31 stealth which you could get pretty high.

Anyway, the point of it is that in the video, he rips apart every class there is about. Assassins in four hits, tanks, casters you name it. It was an interesting watch and worth thinking about if you want to go for a spec like that.

The reason for 50 DW is that the 50 style is supposed to be very good. Very decent damage and much less endurance than say Garrote. <shrugs>

So I suppose this is my entry:

DW: 50
Thrust: 50
Evenom: 34
Stealth: 31 (depending on auto training)
CS: 10

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Video is overrated ^^ And for the love of God, do not go 39 thrust 39 DW - a gimper template would be hard to devise.

 

[kreig]

Only one (edit) post here i see from higher assasins. I think that with these changes it will make it even more dangerous then it already is, currently lots of assasins now hunt in packs so wether or not they have ip etc they will still be able to take down there target(s). And i think that this will become the trend for assasin classes.

And df yes i use it, but i dont think its over powered same as a tanks slam or a casters mezz or root, it seems that there isnt almost any class that doesnt have an ability like that in some shape or form.

Hrrrrm mercfiltrator from what many fell infs have told me most dont like the spec, will just have to see i guess?

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by kreig
No post here i see from higher assasins.

Thanks :/

 

[old.Mitsu]

<gives Derrique a hug>

 

[Sharma]

Liste seems to be doing pretty well in RvR and Venemous...

 

[old.Krusha]

Greydark (the one that "came up" with the merfil) has 25'ish stealth iirc and high envenom for lifebane, and MoPain4 which gives him the huge dmg outputs.... (highestdebuff and lifebane(still ticking good after body resist added apparently) + BIG crits (and a medium lvl buffbot.) its a viable specc .. but with its pro's and con's its as good as any infi spec...

some go (like me ):
50 thrust
37 stealth
38 envenom
39 CS
18 DW (for Obscure)

(yes high envenom and stealth to easier take advantage of the random drops in the next rvr dungeon as they tend to be ..."weird" and patch up with RR's)

 

[)nick(]

I'm 50 thrust, 36 DW, 35 stealth, 35 Envenom, 34 CS

All my skills are 50+ except for stealth which is at 48 due to choosing resist items over stealth items.

I currently have MOP 4, Dodger 3 and no IP. I take down SZs who use IP and FA2 and I only use FA2. Although I do have 28% slash, 18% crush, 15% thrust resist.

I will be respeccing to MOP 5, Dodger 2 and leave out FA2 for the up and coming nerfs.

I have done extensive testing on gorre with the 50 DW style and it isn't worth the points imo. I have 51 DW with items + rr + dr1.

 

[liste]

being one of the masses, ie, the respec-to-50-thrusters, i can safely say that Dragonfang does not make alot of difference.
I needed a change, and i figured going thrust, would impose a change to playing style, which it did, so mission accomplished.
my kill rate is approximately the same now, as it was then. i kill fewer shadowblades now, due to resist tables, but have a wider range of targets i can attack.
Slash tear opponents apart alot faster than thrust. the damage i do now, is VERY insignificant, compared to what i did earlier. Fang helps adjust this abit, as i dont get splattered into goo while doing it.
If we talk effectiveness, i'd go as far as saying that Slash is better, simply due to the time it takes to kill. This can be further helped with Mastery of Arms, making weapons faster, but not damage.

the DW option? nah. i'd roll a merc if that was the point. as you can see, infils need Dragonfang to safely be a merciltrator. Last time i checked, mercs do well as mercs, and without Fang. It all comes down to playing style. I prefer grouping, be it a gank squad or a regular group, to solo. Solo is mindnumbingly boring, if done for more than 10 minutes. Truth be told, i'd be better off as a merc, if it wasnt for scouting, which is what i use my infil-powers for, first and foremost.


All in all? Your spec should reflect on your playing style, not on what some guy next door tells you is the best. I've come to this realization now that we have 60%-of-player-base-is-infil-and-98%-has-an-alt, and my /advice has change drastically from what they were.
I dont tell people what is best anymore. I ask them what they want from their toon, and advice accordingly. Which is what i feel is the best advice.


<and Sharma, as for doing well in RvR. Reason for that, is not my spec. Its solely based on two things. Being in a group, and acting out my role as best i can, and being infil for 60 days /played Thank you for the compliment though >

 

[Meatballs]

i dropped off being an advisor because of all the "best" questions.

 

[kreig]

opps

Sorry deric was having and still haven net connetcion problems so sorry i missed ur comment - edits his comments

 

[Ezeine]

A question to Nicolas.

What level did you stop autotrain at ?

 

[liste]

Thorn, just tell people that you dont have the answer for what's perfect. if they cant settle for that, tell em to ask someone else (which will incidentally be me, as im one of the few infils who are silly enough to leave the flag on )

 

[Derric]

I got tired of questions after a guy asked me what PA is

 

[Wharfe_GoP]

Well Infils are near impossible to gimp, almost all variations are feasible. So long as you don't go spec in both slash and thrust, you will have enough points to do a lot with.

The thing is you can have one line at 50 and the others well balanced, or drop one low and have two at 50. Envenom and stealth have no reason to take to 50 let alone any higher than 36-37. So the 4 possible 50 pointers are Slash/Thrust, CS and DW.

The way I see it is if you want two at 50 go either Slash+CS or Thrust+DW. If you want Max CS you should use the hardest hitting weapons of slash. Max DW you want to stun them while you try and drop them.

Problem is you have to drop one skill, Max CS + weapon, needs Stealth high as PA + chain is the be all end all for them. so DW goes, and envenom also a little bit.

Max DW + weapon you really have to lose CS, which is a bit hard for an Infil to lose.

I considered the 50 thrust, rest around 34-35, but I felt the CS was a bit low. So I thought sod it and I am heading towards Mercfiltrator spec of 50 Thrust, 50 DW, 36 Envenom, 32 Stealth couple of points left over in CS. Should I ever reach 50 I will let you know how it works I already get a feeling my damage output is a lot higher nowadays since respec, and Orange mobs/mids are falling fast

 

[old.mattshanes]

Any spec can be good,depends how you play,what you like and what you intend to do.

 

[liste]

50 CS
44 Slash
that lets you get envenom and stealth to 50, with around 36-38 in each.
few left for DW.

get MoP lvl 3+, few aug strength, vanish and see hidden.

VERY viable spec, if you want to PA for 1000+

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Ezeine
I'm going with the following spec for my inf:

35 stealth
50 thrust
35 env
34 cs
34 dw

Yup that is the spec I pointed a few RL friends towards.