1.52F the end for midgard?

[old.Krusha]

They guys at Mythic has once again bent Midgard over and gave it a good shafting

- - We've added specific armor tables for Norse Chain, Norse Leather, Norse Studded, and Hibernian Leather to spread out the damage options.

Here's the table:

Plate Chain N Chain Scale Rein N Stud Studded Leather N Leat Hib Leat
Thrust Resist Vuln Vuln Neut Neut Resist Vuln Resist Resist Neut
Crush Vuln Resist Neut Resist Vuln Neut Resist Vuln Neut Vuln
Slash Neut Neut Resist Vuln Resist Vuln Neut Neut Vuln Resist

looks messed up but if you look closely Mids Hunters and SBs gets a good one in this (Not!)

SBs: Your slashing attacks do most dmg against... Nordic studded Nordic leather. so it all means vs hib (resist) and alb (neut) you get no bonus and they do (if they went slash).

And hunters.... guess whos either resist or neutral to thrust/slash? your nemesis the leather wearing stealthers.

And Midgard respeccing to Hammer? Axe more likely

And the problem isnt really the dmg output from Tanks/light tanks. We will still be owned by Casters, and that hasnt been approached yet. If 1.52 (The infamous Melee Patch) doesnt fix that. DAoC will be a two front war between Hibs and Albs.

I probably missed something, because im a bit stumped

(and yes i know it hasnt gone live yet, but if this is any indication of the mindset of this patch, im worried to say the least)

[and if i opened my eyes before i looke id notice that theres a thread about it in General discussion : http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27858 ]

 

[hatts]

STOP NERF ME DAMNIT!
Why is hunters so damn out in next patch? We can be happy if we can solo green mobs and kill grey hibs/albs.
This is so sick. Blah!

 

[old.Prof]

I went to the IGN Vault thread regarding the new armor table and the player reactions can be summarized as follows :

- Midgard gets nerfed
- Hibernia gets nerfed except Nightshades (off all of DAoC's classes they were the only ones to react positively)
- Albion gets nerfed

Conclusion : the new armor table is balanced, gj Mythic.

 

[old.Krusha]

If all gets nerfed, Mid still gets the shaft.

The big problem (as i mentioned earlier) is still that tanks get owned by casters.

 

[-Wedge-]

I dont want to add to the flaming, but did you notice the small line in the patch note too concerning Wizards?

- Put the Wizard's Calefaction "Bolt of Lava" line on a separate recast timer from the Pyromancy "Minor Fire Streak" line.

Am I getting this wrong, or would this mean that a fire-earth wizzie gets 3!! bolts?

If thats true, 44 Fire, 31 Earth sounds very appealing... Definitly if you have a bigger chance of getting bolts in due to the 'in combat' flag change...

 

[old.chesnor]

Don't understand why people whine about this. The fact that almost every Midgard tank went for hammer because of the bonuses was part of the problem. They fix it, and people whine 'nerf!!!11'.

Hunters can use thrust or slash spears, so their resists don't really matter, as they can switch spears according to the armour type of their prey.

SBs using 2h slash only get resists on Hib leather. Any well specced SB crit striking an NS won't care to much they get a resist I imagine, they will win the fight. Most NS/Infis go thrust and Mid leather gets resist on this, so what goes around, comes around.

Hammer users still get bonus on Alb tanks and now on Hib dr00ds and bards. Yay I say to that ! Hammer users get resist on Alb chain wearers, Hib tanks, and Alb studded wearers. This is not good, but Norse chain is only vulnerable against thrust and resists slash. Not 'that' many thrust tanks out, and if they are polearmsman or spearos, then mid tanks have always been weak against them anyway.

Point is, its about balance. Just because you are not uber against large amounts of players anymore, does not mean you are nerfed. This patch will mean more tanks spec axe/sword. So when you are grouped in RvR, the bonus you lose is gained by the tank standing next to you

Lastly, spare a thought for Middy Healers and Shaman. We can only use crush, so we are stuck with those resist with no chance to respec

 

[old.Krusha]

i dont really care if weaponx does 4k dmage per 1sec swing and my armor gets near invulnerable to all dmg types. it doesnt do me any good when im standing there stun/mezzed and being nuked silly.
What i really want to see is someway to close in on the enemy, yes there are some RA's thats helpful (Purge, firstaid) but you need some serious amount of RP's (for a warrior its alot) and Purge is on a 15 min timer. Which will help me a little but if i ourge ill be remezzed 60 sec later (if im still alive that is).

Something that would help is someway to balance caster vs. Tanks. Not dmg resistances (i had a coke and thought about it since my first post )

 

[old.Alliandre]

Lastly, spare a thought for Middy Healers and Shaman. We can only use crush, so we are stuck with those resist with no chance to respec

You saying that a Healer or Shaman is going to combat against a tank and last anyway

With RA and cure mezz together tanks won't be standing around drooling so much. If you're with any other person then the caster will not be able to stun you both. The caster would be dead.

Also if someone tries to mezz you and you purge they will not be able to mezz you for another 60 seconds anyway because of the time limit against remezzing.

And with respecs around then why can't you change to axes instead of hammers?

If you get stunned and solod by a caster think about the poor casters who get one shoted by arrows (2 shots if they keep up bladeturn) and backstabbed by assassin classes (dieing from the poison if not the hit)

 

[old.Krusha]

even if i purge ive yet to meet a lone caster, they come like all things in 6-packs. The tank in front of him with a thrusting Pole (oeeer ) or spear will take care of the 5-10% og health i still have left when i get to the caster. Or a QC pbaoe will help too.


Got a tank friend in US and he says the difference (in his experience) with purge is that he lives 10-15 sec longer and maybe gets a hit in ,even if he gets a hit in all casters have MoM (iirc) the RA that lets you cast without being interrupted for X seconds. And he gets nuked anyway. And in 1.52 you do less dmg in RvR, so caster still owns us "Dark Age of Cast-A-Lot"

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Considering Midgards performance in patch 1.48 on Excal server, it seems you don't have to wait until 1.52 to see the end of Midgard.

 

[old.Alliandre]

Midgard needs to get themselves together and be more organised. They don't have much excuse for not holding a relic apart from them having a disadvantage because of not having any relics

 

[Aeiedil]

personally i like the resist table. guess its time to respec blades when that patch comes

 

[old.Krusha]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Considering Midgards performance in patch 1.48 on Excal server, it seems you don't have to wait until 1.52 to see the end of Midgard.

All that is needed is another mmorpg and the train is rolling.

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Get over it already.. I'm spec blades and I get negative bonus on anything BUT cloth and leather.. And I'm a warden and I STILL manage to kill things..

 

[Tigerius]

Seriously stop the whining, Midgard is not getting nerfed overall more than anyone else. This things simple cocks up all meleers
Some individual classes get a bit less nerfed but overall this hit all meleers of all realms.

I don't like the change at present because what it does is lower melee vs melee damage while not fixing magic vs melee damage. But once can always hope later parts of this patch will adress that. On a brighter note it should mean more varied melee speccing which is always fun.

 

[cadiva]

Originally posted by old.Krusha
They guys at Mythic has once again bent Midgard over and gave it a good shafting

Or more likely, those who slavishly followed a template from some website might get shafted?

My kobbie warrior (oh no shock, its not a dwarf or troll tank) specs in swords and I'm doing okay thanks

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Aeiedil
personally i like the resist table. guess its time to respec blades when that patch comes

Yes please Try to get the rest of the NS & pierce rangers to do that too

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by old.Alliandre


You saying that a Healer or Shaman is going to combat against a tank and last anyway

Well, yes. All Healers/Shamans will eventually have to melee. My point was that almost every other non-caster class (Clerics are an exception) can choose which weapon type to use. Middy Seers are stuck with crush. I personally think that any class that cannot spec weapon should be allowed to use slash or crush weapons (like dr00ds).

PS. I killed tanks with my Healer. With 2 insta mezz/2 insta stun and 2 insta heals, I was very, very hard to take down. It just took a while

 

[old.Krusha]

Re: Re: 1.52F the end for midgard?

Originally posted by cadiva
Or more likely, those who slavishly followed a template from some website might get shafted?

My kobbie warrior (oh no shock, its not a dwarf or troll tank) specs in swords and I'm doing okay thanks

Actually when i first rolled in retail i went for a kobbie Warrior, but (stupid me) read what the screen after you've rolled said that Kobbie warriors sucked twak: never listen to Mythic) and chose a Troll instead.

If it werent for the utter pain to lvl a warrior to 50 id redo a kobbie warrior (tho my new toon is a kobbie skald and i love him )

Smurfs Smurf!

 

[belth]

I'd like a lurikeen spearo

 

[Garnet]

I dont know what is wrong with midgard excal but the other midgard on pryd is owning all the realms there. They also managed to get 5 relics, which i must say is brilliant too bad we cant even get 1 back atm lol

 

[belth]

Originally posted by old.Garnet
I dont know what is wrong with midgard excal but the other midgard on pryd is owning all the realms there. They also managed to get 5 relics, which i must say is brilliant too bad we cant even get 1 back atm lol

Last time I checked (day before yesterday), they had 0 relics, now 3. Couple days before, they had all 6. Much more active relic-rvr than here

 

[old.Krusha]

Wow, i must be mentally linked with this guy.. he practically wrote what i was thinking, but couldnt formulate it

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=33897195&replies=0

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Belthazor
I'd like a lurikeen spearo

Shame Luri's can only be champs

Still lurikeen with a two handed sword that's bigger than it is funny

 

[old.Second]

i was thiiis close to making a saracen cleric but it didnt woooork boohoohoooo.

PS fing fix our homepage u lazy GM=)

 

[Aeiedil]

belthazor, why would you want bladeshades over pierce shades? blades get an extra 30% against albion leather (due to double-resists), and an extra 45% against midgard leather over piercers

 

[belth]

Read the patch notes more carefully Double-resists are gone Bladeshades lose one advantage to gain another (which is useless with luri/elf con)

 

[Aeiedil]

hmmm *reads again*

ok yoru right, but still

we have low str, but i see all +s on changing to blade. ill be less effective against minstrels by 15%, and not very good against chain, but i will increase by about 30% against hunters and sb's, and 15% against infs\hunters as mages stay the same, it seems on 4/5 of my main targets i gain from changing

 

[Aeiedil]

and btw i have only 40 less hp than the last l50 inf i asked and im level 47 with un-capped con

 

[Danya]

Minstrels own you anyway Aeie, least I always did