1.51 H One Word....

[old.Takahome]

Minstrels got AE MEZ!!! Oh and btw that´s the v famous flute mez but now turned AE... uke:

Now the bet, how much time will it pass till mythic change that? ^_- (not even nerf, CHANGE, not as intented stuffs) As we all know (hib/mid) minstrels r V V deadly char r vs r, if that patch which is said the LASTEST (btw not any light tank luv yet) of 1.51, and GO LIVE, guess how many whiners will there OMG, minstrels with AE MEZ, and can move while casting it... cast it from stealth etc hehehe...

On a side note, FINALLY chanters got speed move buff in their BASELINE and some twist to the style icon ^_^

 

[Tigerius]

This is silly, even from a Albs point of view. Our casters need so much improvement and they end up improving one of the best rouge classes we have?

Well.. good news for Albion obviously with more CC. Considering Bards got insta AoE mez I do suppose this aint too far off but seriously improve the alb classes that need it.

 

[Antiarch]

Not many Minstrels will be delighted by this, i tell you, personally i see it as an improvement to our realm but not to our class.

I'd love to see something done to see hidden, and something done to our charm, and our interrupts bug, but not implementing aoe mezz, which without respec will be a bit useless as the more powerfull (?) lvl 45 mezz wont be aquired by many as minstrels tend to spec till 44 inst.

But what the heck i bet the ones whinning will be the hibs ;D

 

[tilde]

We sure needed another CC-spell, but i'd like to see some improvements to wizards (nearsight), mercs (fixed styles), paladin (something valueable to rvr), Cabalists (cabalists), sorcerers(matter-line).

 

[)nick(]

w00t steph

 

[razorboy]

pffft, minstrels, they'll be adjusted till they will be nerfed to death same happend to assassins....

I'm glad for my spiritmaster We are at least granted a rezz and pbaoe now, although nobody ever speccs 30+ in summoning

 

[belth]

Well, we have currently 2 CC classes... Sorc & cleric, of which the latters mez was nerfed bigtime. Can't count air theurgs, they're non-existant. They could've given a bit more thought to whom to give the new AE Mezz, hibs & mids are going to scream nerf bigtime propably...

 

[Tigerius]

Is it the more powerful mez at 45? I thought the old mez that stops at 44 was the one becoming AoE?

Doubt this stays in further than 1.51I :E "We realised enemy players find the idea of a stealthing AoE mezzing class outrageous, and simply capable of mass-ganking too many grays"

Still think they need to combine Sorc + Cabbie into one class removing spirit line and a few double spells. Same for Wiz and Theurgist removing Air line.

 

[Gekul]

They could've given a bit more thought to whom to give the new AE Mezz, hibs & mids are going to scream nerf bigtime propably...

Which is justified imo.


[edit - tigerius has forced me to use quote tags ]

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Shame...Mentalists got the short end again.

From one of Hibs most balanced classes, they are changing us into something else... hope it isn't too bad.

 

[old.Ransom]

im sure i read somewehre that thane's are geting a aoemezz as well

 

[old.yaruar]

Oh well another adjustment to give more supremacy to mezzers and casters and f*cking over tanks again...

Spent most of last nights RvR being AoE mezzed/stunned/rooted and nuked to hell without landing even 1 shot...

I feel sorry for pure tanks too at least us thanes can get one spell off (as we can't use our major damage dealer for fear of being banned from raids)

 

[Armolas]

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Shame...Mentalists got the short end again.

From one of Hibs most balanced classes, they are changing us into something else... hope it isn't too bad.

Yes

Fair enough on lowering the dot dage, 400 per tick was a bit much ...
But making our unique ability (stackable dots) common is not good, nor is giving aoe mez to minstrles whilst keeping them form us, and they still havent't givenus a decent charm ala sorcerers / hunters.

Oh well, we'll never see this patch anyway.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Ransom
im sure i read somewehre that thane's are geting a aoemezz as well

That's the Thane RA, AoE stun "trap", everyone in the area gets stunned for 3 secs every 7 secs. Yay.

 

[Olgark]

In the end there will be no tanks or rogues, just caster/mezzers.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Belthazor


That's the Thane RA, AoE stun "trap", everyone in the area gets stunned for 3 secs every 7 secs. Yay.

Which is one of the most useless of all the realm abilities... It works on a pulse so only things in it's tiny range every 7 seconds will get hit,a dn the stuns have diminishing returns... Used in large numbers it might be useful, but the cost is prohibitive...

The Thane TL has come up with the best suggestions for the class, but they only seem to want to further tweak primary casters at the moment.. Simple things like swapping timer from Moj to our Bolt and making our shout effective rather than a tickling spell...

Thanes are alright at the moment, but as we all know it's the mezzers and nukers who don't break mezz that can win a battle, not tanks.... Tanks are an afterthought in a battle ATM and only really come itno tehir own on a keep lord ;-)

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Olgark
In the end there will be no tanks or rogues, just caster/mezzers.

One can only hope that the next patch will work on the tanks, or that they will include the tank improvements in the expansion.. The us boards have shown what we are all seeing, the weapon based skills don't equate to spell based increases in damage for levels (from what I see when I level to 50 I will still be using Ruiner/Crumble with my 2h hammer...)

I jsut feel sorry for the non ranged attack tanks they must really hate RvR (in fact I know one zerk who gave up because he could maybe gat one or two kills a RvR session because of mezzing/nuking)

 

[old.Paranoid]

W00T

I always wanted AoE mezz, cant wai.. pitty by the time i get it i will have quit daoc and probably have grandchildren...

sigh

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Shame...Mentalists got the short end again.

From one of Hibs most balanced classes, they are changing us into something else... hope it isn't too bad.

Mana mentalists got f***ed over so much you cant even kill a green anymore :/

http://pub34.ezboard.com/fmypetmagefrm1.showMessage?topicID=563.topic

 

[old.Tzeentch]

I hope this mistake is realised by the next patch test version... heh, and I saw a post by you on mypetmage, nilj, that said you wanted to be a mana spec...lol...bet you are glad you didn't eh?

 

[old.Etoand]

Originally posted by yaruar


I jsut feel sorry for the non ranged attack tanks they must really hate RvR

I have to say, most of my (meagre) RPs have come from being in a group with some damage dealer, or having the good luck to stumble on some totally oblivious Invaders. Still, I do enjoy a good keep raid/retake. Makes me feel almost useful

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I hope this mistake is realised by the next patch test version... heh, and I saw a post by you on mypetmage, nilj, that said you wanted to be a mana spec...lol...bet you are glad you didn't eh?

That was before the change when the dots did double damage :>

Tho im quite sure this will be fixed, the ment TL said it must be a bug....

 

[kr0n]

Yey sorc and cabbie are soon totally dead. They could remove thoes two classes and no one would actually notice!

 

[old.Takahome]

Said ya, look at 1.51I hehehe

 

[Cerverloc]

Why you people keep leaving the armsman out. He needs lots of fixing too. For instance the plate armor. It sucks. It doesn't help at all, I die just as quick as my chainwearing merc buddy. All the other realms major tanks got morphing etc and what do we got? Jack shit. Plate can never be a replacement for the power that a morph does and our polearm hardly outdamages a Zerker in morphed mode who criticals all the time.

Actually I think all tanks in the game should get a change. Mythic always focuses on spells etc. Let them change our fightingstyles. I got entire lists of styles and 99% of them are useless.

 

[Olgark]

Originally posted by Cerverloc
Why you people keep leaving the armsman out. He needs lots of fixing too. For instance the plate armor. It sucks. It doesn't help at all, I die just as quick as my chainwearing merc buddy. All the other realms major tanks got morphing etc and what do we got? Jack shit. Plate can never be a replacement for the power that a morph does and our polearm hardly outdamages a Zerker in morphed mode who criticals all the time.

Actually I think all tanks in the game should get a change. Mythic always focuses on spells etc. Let them change our fightingstyles. I got entire lists of styles and 99% of them are useless.

I play a berserker class in Midgard, and with the shity studded armour we get trust me we need them criticals. Albion does not need any more work on their tanks as far as I can see. Midgard Hunters need evade 3 but instead we are only going to get evade 2. Albion is the realm with the most tank classes and one of them can rez, the friar is a hybrid class and can also rez. So that means a Albion tank has a higher % of getting a rez in a RvR battle. Unlike the other two realms.


As far as I can see from future patches Albion does get some loving and in fact it is too much making them even more powerful, please don't ask for the berserkers to be balanced as they will just get hit hard with the nerff stick again, like they have been with their axe styles.

Mythic are looking through the styles and are changing them/ nerffing them. Yeh they was going to improve the axe styles of Midgard and look at what happened, the death of the berserker and shadowzerker. As a realm Midgard does not have a special dual wield style list like Albion or Hibernia, so leave our berserkers out of this. I am dreadding seeing what "fixes" they put on the hunter spear styles for us. *cowers in fright*

 

[Tigerius]

Berserkers definately don't need any downtweaking but Albions takes do need an improvement.

Yes we have alot of rez, so what? It's our only way to compensate for how easy our tanks die. Albion has the most pure tanks, and in many senses the worst. So what we have "the most tank classes", does that mean anything?

Does Midgard as a realm not have any Dual Wield stylelist? what kind of total lie is that? You have the great Left Axe styles, until DF nerf that's atleast twice as good stylelist as Albions joke DW styles.

 

[Olgark]

Originally posted by Tigerius


Does Midgard as a realm not have any Dual Wield stylelist? what kind of total lie is that? You have the great Left Axe styles, until DF nerf that's atleast twice as good stylelist as Albions joke DW styles.

Ok so we got left axe, but we can only use a axe in the left hand. We can't dual weild two hammers or two swords, and have a list of special moves like Albion's dual wield.

I never said we can't use two weapons at the same time, I was on about the fact that we can't use the same types of weapon in both hands like Albion can. So in effect I was right in saying Midgard does not have a dual wield ability, but we can swing two weapons at the same time.

To me dual wield is the usage of two weapons eg swords . At the same time. Midgard can't wield two hammers or two swords at the same time, only axes. I would love to make a dwarf zerker with two hammers. But we are left with using one hammer and one axe which to me is not dual wield as the weapons are not of the same type. *see end of post.

And in the latter patches the left axe gets nerffed and we are told to use more reactionary styles, now to me that means using the ones that open with a evade or a parry. How many times in a rvr battle will you see someone evade or parry in a 5 sec fight?
That is if we get past the minstrel AOE insta mezz.


From what I have seen coming from Mythic Albion is their favorite realm and will be the most powerful out of the three in the coming months.uke:

*But then that is from my own perspective and conclusions.

 

[Tigerius]

Erm.. sorry but all I see is BS coming out here. Yes if your definition of dual wield is it must involve identical weapons, then your left axe is a bit hampered. But you CAN still use two axes, you CAN equip weapons in both hands and it IS better than Albion counterpart. Even after Doublefrost dmg reduction. Reactionary styles ARE hard to score in RvR combat, like for all classes. What was unbalanced in this case was Doublefrost having reactionary style damage as a use-anytime style, and that it was the only thing EVER you had to use. That isn't how Mythic percieved styles.

I'm getting so intensly sick of comments like how Albion gets everything but entirely without motivation. The latest patches have seen upgrade to FAR more Hib/Mid classes than Alb classes. Other than generic heal and debuff upgrades the only thing Alb has gotten lately is Minstrel changes, those were to outbalance Cleric nerf and yet through all the whining had to be re-nerfed barely 24 hours later. It isn't instant, it's 3 seconds, it isn't AoE it's AoT (Area of Troll), as in barely enough radius to cover more than 1 troll.

Lets refrain from broad, generalising, unsupporting arguments like Albion being favourite realm. It's silly. Feel free to have a go at our individual classes and I'll be happy to point you to their balanced counterparts.

 

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