1.3 - the death of bf1942.

[.Cask]

Well that's the last straw for me.

Planes were already the fastest and most deadly vehicle in the game. It wasn't so bad when everyone was crap at flying but now even n00b jim the inbred cattle rancher can shoot a man out of a jeep at 500 yards.

Unless you sit in a AA gun for the whole game or manage to get a few strategically placed machine gunners shooting at a plane, there is nothing you can do to stop them - short of getting in a plane yourself.

To a pilot, anything on the ground is a fair game. Even AA guns are 50% less threatening, and small arms are just gonna put a few scratches in the paintwork. I'm sick of playing a game where I have no chance of reprisal against an opponent. I refuse to plane camp and sitting in an AA gun is just plain boring.

Not gonna give the pilots a duck shoot everytime I jump in a tank. Cancelling road to rome and hopfully a decent mod will come soon to make the game worth playing.

 

[Pac^]

not only that... they have left a massive flaw in the add buddy system. They need to recode this patch ASAP.

That said fps and netcode seem better than ever....which is nice.

 

[throdgrain]

Sorry what arse. The netcode is easily the best its been, it plays lovely now. And my fps is definately higher.
Dunno about the planes tbh, but to me it seems to have made the game even better

 

[Pac^]

sorry...i just think that being able to enter 1 console command and switch on what is effectively a wallhack, a flaw.

Anyway, word is that DICE are working on it right now and are gonna release a fix within 24 hours...I guess they must consider it to be an important flaw too.

 

[Louster]

Yep. I basically only play this game to be able to fly these days as everything else is dull, and though I haven't gotten the patch (goddamn ISDN and goddamn huge) yet, I can only imagine how much more pointless it's made doing anything else. 2 bad lolz

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

1.3 patch seems to be aimed more at the clan players than the public server people. On certain maps planes are dead virtually instantly, Iwo Jima being one that comes to mind. I guess if you're on the ground you'll need air cover, which frankly is a good thing. There's a limit to how much dice/ea can pander to the occasional public player and I think it's a good thing they've made changes that will make clan games more even, and a lot more fun.

 

[wildie]

AA guns are 50% less threatening

no only small arms fire is 50% less affective, not the mg post not the aa guns just your small arms.

btw you still can hit the pilot and kill them.

the add buddy is ok it only shows your team mates not the enemys on the mini map.

the other one cleint prediction thingy now thats a right thing to leave in the game .

really they shouldnt rush things for a quick buck, but thats ea for you now its going to cost them more cash to fix the patch with a patch they just too greedy.

o and if and when you get r2r its version 1.25 so you have to reinstall the 1.3 patch plus the patch fix patch.

also a i would save your setting folder cos me sick of the patches over writing the settings back to defaults.

rant over

 

[kanonfodda]

AA guns have been decreased in potency as well, to stop them wiping out a plane in a second :S

 

[leggy]

*Team work is now needed to kill planes shocker!*

 

[Gumbo]

Originally posted by wildie



btw you still can hit the pilot and kill them.

Yup, as proved by Scoobs outrageous hit with the engie rifle on an overflying, and somewhat suprised, Cdr last night on the well-attended game on Game.net(eeeeeuch)3.

 

[lynchet]

Have to say I disagree with you Scooba -- well I agree that they are pandering to clan players but I dont think that is good. Clan players are still a minority, most people are casual players so why should the game be made for the minority ?

I think its a further example of the elitist nature of a lot of online games. There was an excellent article about it in ... I think... PC Zone recently - they guy saying he doesnt play online games, certainly team ones because hes fed up of the "experts". Not that they are good, but that they are often so utterly intolerant of new players and just complain and whine the moment the new player doesnt do everything as well as they do.

So far I hadnt seen much of this in BF and it was one of the reasons I liked it, I think pandering to the experts, however, is just going to increase it, and make BF another game that unless you were in at the beginning and good, or willing to take a lot of abuse then you arent welcome.

 

[leggy]

The thing about bf1942 is that the time between death and spawn is so short that the experts in a game don't really affect you with their rantings. It is very easy to ignore the ingame text if you wanted to. It's not like CS where you have to sit for ages until some camper at the other end of the map is waiting to die and in the mean time you have to listen to shit about being a n00b and a lamer.

There is an exception to the rule when all spawn points have been capped and you are waiting for the inevitable death of the last remaining baddy. But on the whole it is a lot easier to ignore the arse holes and enjoy the game of bf42.

I agree that "experts" are a problem if you are a regular forum user but i suspect that we are a minority.

In the end it usually takes more than 2 patch incarnations to get a good balance. So i would enjoy the game for what it is atm (a bloody good one).

 

[throdgrain]

I just came off a server where I have played 4 maps including the (for me) imfamous Kharkov super lag type map.
Yeah I got blown up by some aeroplanes . Omg !
So what, its what they are there for . Im all for things being as realistic as possible, and air power is an important thing in ww2 I would have thoght. It didnt stop me enjoying the game, in fact Ive enjoyed it more than any other version of this. It works perfectly , keeping between 55 and 60 fps , even on Kharkov, and even as i am, on isdn.
The sounds are certainly a bit more tinny, some of them, although Im now gonig to try turning the sound quality back from 22 to 44khz, or what ever it is. Oh, ive turned all the detail settings back up to maximum too, btw. I wonder whether the sound changes have a lot to do with the improved running of the game?
Lastly, in the four games I played I came first on one, top 3 on another and high up on the other two. And I never fly aeroplanes, I am strictly ground type tank material.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Gumbo


Yup, as proved by Scoobs outrageous hit with the engie rifle on an overflying, and somewhat suprised, Cdr last night on the well-attended game on Game.net(eeeeeuch)3.

Buhh, that was uber, if anyone here has seen Avalon, it felt exactly like the intro to that.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by lynchet
Have to say I disagree with you Scooba -- well I agree that they are pandering to clan players but I dont think that is good. Clan players are still a minority, most people are casual players so why should the game be made for the minority ?

I think its a further example of the elitist nature of a lot of online games. There was an excellent article about it in ... I think... PC Zone recently - they guy saying he doesnt play online games, certainly team ones because hes fed up of the "experts". Not that they are good, but that they are often so utterly intolerant of new players and just complain and whine the moment the new player doesnt do everything as well as they do.

So far I hadnt seen much of this in BF and it was one of the reasons I liked it, I think pandering to the experts, however, is just going to increase it, and make BF another game that unless you were in at the beginning and good, or willing to take a lot of abuse then you arent welcome.

Clan Players are the guys who play bf42 week in and week out, and are the core that make the game a success, especially in large tourny style affairs. I doubt that anyone who plays on BW is a 'casual' player, and has the werewithall in game to realise that not only attack, but defence is needed. Last night on Bocage people were in the AA guns, and also hanging back mining roads to hold back the enemy advance, this sort of thing doesn't happen on publics usually and is, for me, part of the appeal of BW; a more mature, sensible player, who recognises it's a team game.

 

[Will]

I've not played this patch yet (I should get around to it tonight), but for the whole clan vs. public thingie, I can give an opinion on that.

Its not so much that balance suits clan play and/or public play, but that it suits sensible team players, against a squad of 8-12 Rambos. And I'm all for that. I've even been known to drop my sniper rifle on occasions and go out capping, just to keep things moving on an EAUK server, where my team is always made up of people who think capping is something that other players do while you are out killing people or queuing for your plane. Not something that I've ever had a problem with on Barrysworld servers, and therefore this patch should be an improvment if it encourages teamwork where I can get likeminded players.

What the game really needs is built-in voice comms.

 

[urz]

Originally posted by Will.
What the game really needs is built-in voice comms.

Good point. When I play I always try to use the voice comms as much as possible, but relys on someone posting the Teamspeak location on the welcome screen.

If they could intergrate it, not only would it improve team play, but make as Admin's job far easier.

 

[Cdr]

I think that so called good shot by Scoob last night just proves that infact he hax.

HAX!

HAXXOR

CHEAT

etc

As for planes, as for any war air supremacy is important, once you have that, and your pilots have an open run on the nme's grd forces, you're almost home free. The same applies to this game, if you're getting hit heavily from the air, dont moan about it, get in an aircraft and do a spot of dogfighting. Planes can still be easily taken out by AA guns, and by a bit of teamwork using small arms fire.

It's the pilot inside that makes the plane seem good - and not because the balance is wrong.

Then again, I do like to fly planes, so I am very biased.

 

[wazmeister]

Agree

I think planes are a piss take.. need toning down BIG TIME..


And that urgent "Fix for sound and wall hack" which was meant to come out hours later wont be around till most likely thursday/friday.

Wish they sort things out the sounds screwing me arse....

 

[Embattle]

Oh no the CS players are now playing BF1942

 

[S-Gray]

What is the world comin too

 

[leggy]

Right I fired up the patch last night (was late due to my hard disk dying).

I felt it was a little harder but this have been my imagination as i was fookin knackerd.

I now get a solid 100fps which is nice.

Hate the new gun sounds but hopefully that'll be fixed.

That is all really... same good game and I enjoyed playing it. I did see a guy do some serious rapage of an entire axis team in his fighter but saying that they couldn't hit a cow in the arse ...etc.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by Embattle
Oh no the CS players are now playing BF1942

What do you mean now?

Most of us bought it the day it was released (in the US).

We were also playing the demo from the start aswell.

 

[Cdr]

FFS AWP is too powerful!

n000000b cannon

OMG HAX

etc

 

[Will]

Now that would make my day, a patch powering up the sniper rifle so clipping someones toe was an instant kill.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by Will.
Now that would make my day, a patch powering up the sniper rifle so clipping someones toe was an instant kill.

I heard you don't such a patch will

But the good thing is the patch has reduced the reload time which means more chance of a kill for me when i miss the guy the first time

 

[Will]

33% decrease in reload time...Not too handy, but its something. Those poor Market Garden paratroopers are in real trouble now. Though I'll have to relearn the game after this long off.

 

[throdgrain]

Originally posted by Cdr2002
FFS AWP is too powerful!

n000000b cannon

OMG HAX

etc

lmao

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by leggy


What do you mean now?

Most of us bought it the day it was released (in the US).

We were also playing the demo from the start aswell.

I got while I was in the US

My point being that whenever a new patch gets released in CS they say the same thing, the death of CS etc

 

[S-Gray]

suprisingly enough "1.3 was the death of CS" because of the Jump thing... and now BF 1.3 is the "death" of BF... weird