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Raven

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I know @Scouse has a phobia of hydrogen, but if farmers devoted "some" land to solar/wind, or even deep bore hydroelectric, to produce hydrogen, and used it for hydrogen plant vehicles, and winter power requirements then they would not be so open to such sudden and unexpected cost hikes.

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Food prices likely to rise due to Iran war, farmers' union says

The National Farmers' Union says the price of cucumbers, tomatoes and peppers could rise over the next six weeks.
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Raven said:
I know @Scouse has a phobia of hydrogen
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No I don't. Not at all.

But right now it's mostly a white elephant.

Look at your own sentences - deep bore hydroelectric? I mean, there is indeed a niche use case for underground pumped hydro. But I suspect you mean geothermal? Either way the exhorbitant cost of producing energy this way is going to massively exceed the currently inflated oil prices by at least an order of magnitude.

If you've solar or wind in your field you simply use that power.

If you talk blue hydrogen - you're just paying for oil and gas anyway whilst introducing inefficiencies everywhere, so where's the protection from cost hikes?

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It's useful to create hydrogen when we have too much renewable energy available. But I don't see much point in creating it at any other time.
 
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Tom said:
It's useful to create hydrogen when we have too much renewable energy available. But I don't see much point in creating it at any other time.
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100%.

And BP literally just pulled the plug on a blue hydrogen plant - one that kept burning their oil and gas - so if they can't be bothered to make it with their own oil and gas, then it seems to me that not a lot of people are going to bother with hydrogen.
 
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Tom said:
It's useful to create hydrogen when we have too much renewable energy available. But I don't see much point in creating it at any other time.
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I've always believed that if you create massive amounts of power, it'll always find a user, and with renewable generation Green Hydrogen to power larger vehicles is a perfect match.
 
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Embattle said:
I've always believed that if you create massive amounts of power, it'll always find a user, and with renewable generation Green Hydrogen to power larger vehicles is a perfect match.
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Yep. But we're going to use the power to run datacentres.
 
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Yeh a watershed moment but I can only hope.

Western governments: we will provide monetary relief on your fossil fuel bills

What they should be saying is "ok we are not going to give automatic relief on fossil fuel bills but instead where regulations allow install solar on properties at a big subsidised cost and build more solar and wind farms. Where excess electricity is exported to the grid it goes straight to those who have no way of installing solar panels at zero cost. We need a massive shakeup of our energy systems/suppliers. The Iran war has brought it to the front of the queue and would be wise to be acted on. IMHO.
 
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Raven said:
We need to do much more with tidal energy, the UK could be 100% renewable, if there was the will.
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Meh. If they can't get Swansea Bay off the ground - and that's like the second largest tidal range in Europe IIRC, then it's because it's foooooking expensive.

Might as well whack up a shitload more cheap, proven propellors, and get that 'supergrid' going...
 
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