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[Bodhi]

You may scoff, but when I left the house it was 14 degrees outside, now it's a positively balmy 16 degrees.

You're welcome.

 

[Embattle]

I drove to the bog for a piss and made 3 species of frog extinct on the way!

Was is the drive or the piss that made them extinct?

 

[Raven]

We all behind this protest, yep?

Olympians among protesters blocking Fawley oil refinery

Sailor Laura Baldwin and gold medal canoeist Etienne Stott protested in a pink boat.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yes.

No ambulances blocked. No people being late for work, no trades losing money sat in traffic. Something normal folk might get behind.

 

[Raven]

Amersham escape artist micro pig fathers 71 piglets

The "horny hog" was using a bench to launch himself over a fence to the sows' next door enclosure.

www.bbc.co.uk

@Wij

 

[Scouse]

Working at the World Bank, I can see how it is failing humanity on the climate crisis | Jake Hess

Scandals and backdoor support for fossil fuels blight an organisation that ought to be taking the lead at Cop26, says World Bank researcher Jake Hess

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

Facebook changes its name to Meta in major rebrand

The social media giant says the new name will better encompass what it does.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

I know we have harm reduction but I disagree that our tax should go to subsidise the tobacco industry.

Regulator paves way for NHS e-cigarette prescriptions in England

Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency updates guidance under government plans to cut smoking rates

www.theguardian.com

Smokers should have to pay for their own e-fags.

 

[Overdriven]

I know we have harm reduction but I disagree that our tax should go to subsidise the tobacco industry.

Regulator paves way for NHS e-cigarette prescriptions in England

Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency updates guidance under government plans to cut smoking rates

www.theguardian.com

Smokers should have to pay for their own e-fags.

As a former/only-on-holiday(abroad) smoker - I agree.

 

[Raven]

If you can make giving up smoking easier and therefore have more chance of success then anything is good, talking as an ex smoking addict.

 

[Bodhi]

I know we have harm reduction but I disagree that our tax should go to subsidise the tobacco industry.

Regulator paves way for NHS e-cigarette prescriptions in England

Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency updates guidance under government plans to cut smoking rates

www.theguardian.com

Smokers should have to pay for their own e-fags.

If they are offered NRT or other treatments on the NHS, then why shouldn't they be offered something which is likely to be cheaper and more effective?

 

[Access Denied]

If you can make giving up smoking easier and therefore have more chance of success then anything is good, talking as an ex smoking addict.

I disagree. Gum/patches/inhalators etc are designed to wean you off cigarettes completely and are available free of charge on the NHS. Replacing cigarettes with vapes/e-cigs is just swapping out crutches and if that's the case then the smoker should be paying for that themselves. And I'm speaking as a current smoker.

 

[Aoami]

I disagree. Gum/patches/inhalators etc are designed to wean you off cigarettes completely and are available free of charge on the NHS. Replacing cigarettes with vapes/e-cigs is just swapping out crutches and if that's the case then the smoker should be paying for that themselves. And I'm speaking as a current smoker.

I agree. I vaped for 3-4 years to try and stop smoking. It was only going onto the gum that actually got me off it, the vaping just replaced it. It probably is healthier than smoking, but the long term risks are a complete unknown.

 

[Scouse]

Yep. Vaping isn't a quitting aid. It's addiction-subsidy.

 

[Bodhi]

I disagree. Gum/patches/inhalators etc are designed to wean you off cigarettes completely and are available free of charge on the NHS. Replacing cigarettes with vapes/e-cigs is just swapping out crutches and if that's the case then the smoker should be paying for that themselves. And I'm speaking as a current smoker.

Luckily those with full access to the latest research around quitting disagree

Vaping better than nicotine replacement therapy for stopping smoking, evidence suggests

As number of vapers in England plateaus, incorrect perceptions of its relative risks compared to smoking may be discouraging smokers from using vaping to quit.

www.gov.uk

Normal way to quit I've seen through vaping is to move across, then gradually reduce the nicotine levels of the "juice" until you reach zero, then wean yourself off that. Would be incredibly easy to design a treatment regimen around that concept tbh.

Unless you listen to the particularly unhinged part of the tobacco control lobby vaping is far safer than smoking, so even if people just switch over, it's a massive net benefit for Public Health.

 

[Aoami]

Clearly better for you, but I found it so much more addictive than smoking, probably egged on by the fact I could do it indoors, lack of smell on clothes and hands etc. Clearly better for you than smoking but still not really ideal pumping that much nicotine into yourself probably.

 

[Scouse]

Does "stopping smoking" = "continuing vaping"?

i.e. if you're off the fags, but vape like a motherfucker, have you "stopped smoking"?

 

[Gwadien]

Does "stopping smoking" = "continuing vaping"?

i.e. if you're off the fags, but vape like a motherfucker, have you "stopped smoking"?

Yes.

Another subject that people without a clue are now experts it appears.

 

[Raven]

Yep. Vaping isn't a quitting aid. It's addiction-subsidy.

Scouse in talking about something he has no idea about shocker.

Firstly, vaping is easily controlled, dose wise. Vaping fluids can be steadily dropped in nicotine content and vaporisers adjusted in power. It gets people off tobacco, nicotine, while itself a toxin, is not actually that harmful compared to all the nasty shit in tobacco.

Smoking isn't just about giving up the physical addiction to nicotine it is also about giving up the act of smoking. Nothing worked for me except Champix in the end, which can seriously fuck people up and even then, the hardest part was changing routine...Im not even sure if Champix is a thing anymore. Gum and lozenges leave a lot of people feeling sick and the patches leave horrendous rashes.

And lastly, they already provide sort-of-vapes and they taste like shit.

 

[Aoami]

Does "stopping smoking" = "continuing vaping"?

i.e. if you're off the fags, but vape like a motherfucker, have you "stopped smoking"?

In my opinion, no. Never met a vaper who wasn't having the odd fag as well.

 

[Aoami]

Smoking isn't just about giving up the physical addiction to nicotine it is also about giving up the act of smoking. Nothing worked for me except Champix in the end, which can seriously fuck people up and even then, the hardest part was changing routine...Im not even sure if Champix is a thing anymore. Gum and lozenges leave a lot of people feeling sick and the patches leave horrendous rashes.

My mate has started using tabex, something from Bulgaria similar to Champix. 2 days of using it and he hasn't slept yet so god knows what's in it!

 

[Bodhi]

Does "stopping smoking" = "continuing vaping"?

i.e. if you're off the fags, but vape like a motherfucker, have you "stopped smoking"?

Yes. Remember the old saying there's no smoke without fire? Well considering there is no fire involved with vaping - unless you get a properly cheap vape - I think we can fairly assume there is no smoke involved. No smoke means it isn't smoking.

HTH

 

[Scouse]

In my opinion, no. Never met a vaper who wasn't having the odd fag as well.

Yep - but the question is about the classification.

Do the government class "vapers" as having stopped smoking?

 

[Aoami]

Yep - but the question is about the classification.

Do the government class "vapers" as having stopped smoking?

No idea what the official classification is. I still consider myself a smoker even though I have a smoke once in a blue moon on a night out these days.

 

[Bodhi]

My mate has started using tabex, something from Bulgaria similar to Champix. 2 days of using it and he hasn't slept yet so god knows what's in it!

Champix has recently been withdrawn due to compounds in it which can - massive irony alert - cause cancer.

Pfizer halts distribution of anti-smoking drug after finding carcinogen

HSA advises patients already on Champix to continue taking their medication as prescribed. Read more at straitstimes.com.

www.straitstimes.com

 

[Scouse]

Yes. Remember the old saying there's no smoke without fire? Well considering there is no fire involved with vaping - unless you get a properly cheap vape - I think we can fairly assume there is no smoke involved. No smoke means it isn't smoking.

HTH

Obviously, if you're not smoking fags you're stopping smoking. But if you're still vaping - does the NHS continue to subsidise?

What if you've started smoking again? Can you go back to your doctor and get vapes?

If this is the case it's massively obviously open to abuse and it means taxpayers will be picking up the bill for people to vape.

 

[Bodhi]

Obviously, if you're not smoking fags you're stopping smoking. But if you're still vaping - does the NHS continue to subsidise?

What if you've started smoking again? Can you go back to your doctor and get vapes?

If this is the case it's massively obviously open to abuse and it means taxpayers will be picking up the bill for people to vape.

To me that all depends. If someone wants to carry on with nicotine I wouldn't be in favour of the NHS subsidising it. But if they want to quit completely, then I would as it looks to be the most effective tool to make that happen.

 

[Scouse]

To me that all depends. If someone wants to carry on with nicotine I wouldn't be in favour of the NHS subsidising it. But if they want to quit completely, then I would as it looks to be the most effective tool to make that happen.

Open to abuse tbh.

If they try and fail on vaping, do we let them try and fail forever? In the meantime, they get free vapes?

That would be *massively* abused.

 

[MYstIC G]

Luckily those with full access to the latest research around quitting disagree

Vaping better than nicotine replacement therapy for stopping smoking, evidence suggests

As number of vapers in England plateaus, incorrect perceptions of its relative risks compared to smoking may be discouraging smokers from using vaping to quit.

www.gov.uk

Normal way to quit I've seen through vaping is to move across, then gradually reduce the nicotine levels of the "juice" until you reach zero, then wean yourself off that. Would be incredibly easy to design a treatment regimen around that concept tbh.

Unless you listen to the particularly unhinged part of the tobacco control lobby vaping is far safer than smoking, so even if people just switch over, it's a massive net benefit for Public Health.

Whatever happened to just letting them all chew on Bic Biro's?

 

[Bodhi]

Whatever happened to just letting them all chew on Bic Biro's?

I always preferred the chocolate idea, even though it's a bit challenging to light...

 

[Aoami]

In all seriousness, the gum worked wonders for me. Satisfied the nicotine cravings and broke the habit of smoking, which is what vaping just couldn't do. As I said, I still have the odd cig on a BNO, but that's once every couple of months and I'm not too bothered about it really, no cravings or anything as a result.