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[Scouse]

Where is the money going to come from? Whatever we do won't make a difference until China, India, Australia and the USA sign up and do something. Our CO2 emissions have been dropping steadily for a while now so we are doing something. However most people cannot afford to insulate/install double glazing without support and again we have no money.

If you think those cunts are winning the majority support of the public think again. I do support the fact that we must act as a species but I will never support a movement which fucks up ordinary people's lives and can possibly cause death by their actions.

Ignoring the whataboutery (it's on us to fix our shit - pointing at other countries is pointless as we have our job to do) and giving you practical answers.

"Where is the money to come from". - if we stop funding fossil fuels in the UK we've more than enough money to create tens of thousands of green jobs and build the capacity to perform a multi-year rollout to the 7.5 million UK homes that need insulating.

This is money that already exists to subsidise the stuff we need to stop. It's already costing us tax. Our government is continue to subsidise them - despite decades of calls.


On your point about public support. I've addressed that multiple times but just for you - it's not necessary. To give an example:

The suffragettes were an unpopular movement. Getting votes for women was strongly opposed, for obvious reasons. They get billed as "peaceful" protestors but they were disruptive in the same way that the insulate britain/xr protestors are - disruptive to daily lives by chaining themselves to things, putting their bodies on the line to prevent and disrupt access.

But apart from that, did you know they smashed windows. That they set fire to the houses and buisnesses of rich people who opposed them.

Do you know they carried out a bombing campaign?

And we admire them, in the cold light of history - they were an unpopular movement that forced change.


If we want to avoid the same on multiple fronts - global warming, sewage sickening our rivers and oceans, the destruction of the natural world and threats to biodiversity - the mass extinction event we're undergoing, the plastic pollution we're finding in animals in the arctic and in the placentas of human babies - then we need to act.

Given the above, coupled with our lack of action, it's unrealistic to expect activists to work in a non-disruptive manner.

More than that - if we don't act, expect things socially to worsen dramatically. Like it did when we ignored the suffragettes. Who, in their day, like the environmental protestors, were also right.

 

[Scouse]

According to data the UK is doing something...

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It's not full carbon accounting. We're exporting our energy usage to china through production of goods out there, for example.

The actions we are taking are totally inadequate. Regardless of who else is doing what.

 

[BloodOmen]

This is worth spending two minutes of your life:


View: https://twitter.com/Nuevocentos/status/1452618320843141120

Lol christ

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Deebs]

Ignoring the whataboutery (it's on us to fix our shit - pointing at other countries is pointless as we have our job to do) and giving you practical answers.

"Where is the money to come from". - if we stop funding fossil fuels in the UK we've more than enough money to create tens of thousands of green jobs and build the capacity to perform a multi-year rollout to the 7.5 million UK homes that need insulating.

This is money that already exists to subsidise the stuff we need to stop. It's already costing us tax. Our government is continue to subsidise them - despite decades of calls.


On your point about public support. I've addressed that multiple times but just for you - it's not necessary. To give an example:

The suffragettes were an unpopular movement. Getting votes for women was strongly opposed, for obvious reasons. They get billed as "peaceful" protestors but they were disruptive in the same way that the insulate britain/xr protestors are - disruptive to daily lives by chaining themselves to things, putting their bodies on the line to prevent and disrupt access.

But apart from that, did you know they smashed windows. That they set fire to the houses and buisnesses of rich people who opposed them.

Do you know they carried out a bombing campaign?

And we admire them, in the cold light of history - they were an unpopular movement that forced change.


If we want to avoid the same on multiple fronts - global warming, sewage sickening our rivers and oceans, the destruction of the natural world and threats to biodiversity - the mass extinction event we're undergoing, the plastic pollution we're finding in animals in the arctic and in the placentas of human babies - then we need to act.

Given the above, coupled with our lack of action, it's unrealistic to expect activists to work in a non-disruptive manner.

More than that - if we don't act, expect things socially to worsen dramatically. Like it did when we ignored the suffragettes. Who, in their day, like the environmental protestors, were also right.

How many billions of pounds did it cost the then government to cave into the suffragettes and allow them to vote? How much did it cost each household? Two totally different scenarios.

If the million people who marched to stop the Iraq war failed, the millions of people who marched to stop Brexit failed, some retired old cunts disrupting normal people's lives are not going to gain any favours.

In order for the world to act everyone needs to be educated on global warming and how they can start reducing emissions without it costing them thousands otherwise they will simply kick the can down the road for the next generation to deal with. It is that simple. There are too many non believers unfortunately

 

[Deebs]

Lol christ

Had to watch this one several times as I was laughing so much:


View: https://twitter.com/Peter___Ward/status/1453307626616414217

 

[Scouse]

How many billions of pounds did it cost the then government to cave into the suffragettes and allow them to vote? How much did it cost each household? Two totally different scenarios.

If the million people who marched to stop the Iraq war failed, the millions of people who marched to stop Brexit failed, some retired old cunts disrupting normal people's lives are not going to gain any favours.

In order for the world to act everyone needs to be educated on global warming and how they can start reducing emissions without it costing them thousands otherwise they will simply kick the can down the road for the next generation to deal with. It is that simple. There are too many non believers unfortunately

Already covered the money angle @Deebs - we can afford it. And if we'd listened years ago it would have been orders of magnitude cheaper - trivial, even. Now it will require sacrifice. Period.

We *can't* kick the can down the road any more for the "next generation" to fix - this is it. We've been can-kicking for 70 years.

Talk of "educating" is now meaningless. Those in power know what needs to be done. They need to do it. Now.

Retired people gluing themselves to the road aside - when environmental activists start blowing shit up - which is a very real possibility - will we "get behind" them then?

Nope. Of course not. But maybe they'll have a shot at forcing necessary change.

 

[Deebs]

Already covered the money angle @Deebs - we can afford it. And if we'd listened years ago it would have been orders of magnitude cheaper - trivial, even. Now it will require sacrifice. Period.

We *can't* kick the can down the road any more for the "next generation" to fix - this is it. We've been can-kicking for 70 years.

Talk of "educating" is now meaningless. Those in power know what needs to be done. They need to do it. Now.

Retired people gluing themselves to the road aside - when environmental activists start blowing shit up - which is a very real possibility - will we "get behind" them then?

Nope. Of course not. But maybe they'll have a shot at forcing necessary change.

You still need to educate people if changes are going to be forced on them by those in power otherwise they will then start revolting. That is my point.

 

[Scouse]

You still need to educate people if changes are going to be forced on them by those in power otherwise they will then start revolting. That is my point.

If people in the UK don't know that change needs to come and the reasons why it needs to come by now they need shooting tbh.

 

[BloodOmen]

Had to watch this one several times as I was laughing so much:


View: https://twitter.com/Peter___Ward/status/1453307626616414217

Haha, bike go brrrrrrrr

 

[Raven]

lol


View: https://twitter.com/KEdge23/status/1453258001335324685

Their actions are (potentially deliberately) undermining the message that we need to change.

 

[Scouse]

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True story bro.


Judging by what's going on in my field

 

[Scouse]

Their actions are (potentially deliberately) undermining the message that we need to change.

The message isn't "we need to change". That's a campaigning message - one that's been delivered, and ignored, for decades now.

The message they're sending is "we're going to fuck shit up until you do something about it".

They'll come on TV and tell you why. But when you glue yourself to the floor you're no longer simply "trying to get a message across". You're trying to force something. And at least it's with glue and their bodies, not firebombs.

Yet.

 

[Deebs]

The message isn't "we need to change". That's a campaigning message - one that's been delivered, and ignored, for decades now.

The message they're sending is "we're going to fuck shit up until you do something about it".

They'll come on TV and tell you why. But when you glue yourself to the floor you're no longer simply "trying to get a message across". You're trying to force something. And at least it's with glue and their bodies, not firebombs.

Yet.

You are not gettting it. People are thinking that they are just a bunch of nutters belonging to a cult due to how they are behaving and appearing in TV interviews. The underlying message is then disregarded as crackpot.

You have to engage and educate, use COP26 to send a clear message out to the world that something terrible is about to happen to all of us if we do not do something now and it is going to cost money and will be painful.

Until everyone and that includes the public and governments agrees to do the same thing human nature is easy to predict: if you don't need to do change then I don't need to do change otherwise it is not fair. ie. nothing fucking happens until we crash and then its too late.

Let's get back to money, where is the global fund which I would assume would run into the trillions for helping developing countries reduce their carbon footprint?

Personally I see nothing changes until something catastrophic happens in nature which wipes out millions of us.

 

[Raven]

Personally I see nothing changes until something catastrophic happens in nature which wipes out millions of us.

It's already happening...

Kuwait registers highest temperature on earth for 2021

Nawasib city recorded 53.2 degrees Celsius, hottest temperature worldwide

gulfnews.com

Some crusties gluing themselves to the M25 aren't going to stop that. Shutting down refineries would, how about they glue themselves to Shell's UK headquarters. Edit, or The Department for the Environment, or an airport runway.

 

[Scouse]

You are not gettting it.

I disagree. I'm getting it fine.

People are thinking that they are just a bunch of nutters belonging to a cult due to how they are behaving and appearing in TV interviews. The underlying message is then disregarded as crackpot.

This doesn't matter. They don't need to convince anybody. They've tried and failed with that for decadres.. They're now forcing the issue by being physically disruptive. It will come to fisticuffs or worse in the end. The same as it was for the suffragettes.

Public support is NOT a prerequisite of action.

You have to engage and educate, use COP26 to send a clear message out to the world that something terrible is about to happen to all of us if we do not do something now and it is going to cost money and will be painful.

That message is out there load and clear. That bit is already achieved. It's been out there loud and clear for a long time.

The evidence shows that getting a loud and clear message out there achieves *fuck all*.

Until everyone and that includes the public and governments agrees to do the same thing human nature is easy to predict: if you don't need to do change then I don't need to do change otherwise it is not fair. ie. nothing fucking happens until we crash and then its too late.

Let's get back to money, where is the global fund which I would assume would run into the trillions for helping developing countries reduce their carbon footprint?

Funny you should bring that up (again). It's part of the discussions in COP - and we're not meeting our agreed contributions.

I've already told you where the money comes for the UK insulation issues - fixed that one, you're welcome. But you now want me to fix the whole world's cash supply? Well - that's easy too: If we don't have "the money" - and we don't want to print "the money" (because we can. That's how we make it. We fucking print it. It literally comes *out of nothing* and there's an infinite supply). But if we can't do it in the economic rules we've made - we change the economy.

There's lots of ways to run an economy. If the way we're running our economy right now prohibits us from responding to a global emergency that has the potential to render our planet uninhabitable for humans (or provoke enough war that will do the same) - then we change our economic system.

And we don't point at other countries, like children, and go "what about them"? We act. Because if we think like that, and continue to argue like that, then we're just petulant little twats that don't deserve a thing.

Personally I see nothing changes until something catastrophic happens in nature which wipes out millions of us.

I've said that all along. We don't make it as a species. If something catastrophic happens that wipes out millions of us - it'll be too late to save ourselves.

It's clear what we have to do. We have to respond to the climate and biodiversity and pollution issues as if they were Coronavirus. Because they are way more serious than fucking Covid.

And that takes leadership. And where our leaders lead we will follow - as Covid has shown.

So enough of the fatalistic bullshit. We've got the money. We've got the capacity. We've got the engineering talent. We just need to do it.

 

[Scouse]

Hmmm, @Raven.

how about they glue themselves to Shell's UK headquarters. Edit, or The Department for the Environment, or an airport runway.

Video. Extinction Rebellion protest outside London HQ of oil giant Shell

Video. Demonstrators representing Extinction Rebellion painted the word "LIES" on the building entrance of the London Shell headquarters.

www.euronews.com

Animal Rebellion protesters scale outside of government Defra building in London

Four activists have used ropes and harnesses to scale the building and have brought supplies up with them to stay ‘indefinitely’

www.independent.co.uk

AirportWatch | Extinction Rebellion protestors say mass ‘lie-in’ at Heathrow is ‘warning shot’ and vow to get arrested at future protests if 3rd runway goes ahead

Extinction Rebellion have blocked a road outside Heathrow Airport by lying in front of a bulldozer. Protesters descended on the airport en masse, cycling in convoy down the M4 from Hyde Park Corner, with cyclists joining along the route, halting several lanes of traffic. Dozens of environmental...

www.airportwatch.org.uk

Protestors are doing it all over the world. And record numbers are getting murdered by governments and corporates for their troubles.

 

[Raven]

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[Deebs]

I disagree. I'm getting it fine.


This doesn't matter. They don't need to convince anybody. They've tried and failed with that for decadres.. They're now forcing the issue by being physically disruptive. It will come to fisticuffs or worse in the end. The same as it was for the suffragettes.

Public support is NOT a prerequisite of action.


That message is out there load and clear. That bit is already achieved. It's been out there loud and clear for a long time.

The evidence shows that getting a loud and clear message out there achieves *fuck all*.


Funny you should bring that up (again). It's part of the discussions in COP - and we're not meeting our agreed contributions.

I've already told you where the money comes for the UK insulation issues - fixed that one, you're welcome. But you now want me to fix the whole world's cash supply? Well - that's easy too: If we don't have "the money" - and we don't want to print "the money" (because we can. That's how we make it. We fucking print it. It literally comes *out of nothing* and there's an infinite supply). But if we can't do it in the economic rules we've made - we change the economy.

There's lots of ways to run an economy. If the way we're running our economy right now prohibits us from responding to a global emergency that has the potential to render our planet uninhabitable for humans (or provoke enough war that will do the same) - then we change our economic system.

And we don't point at other countries, like children, and go "what about them"? We act. Because if we think like that, and continue to argue like that, then we're just petulant little twats that don't deserve a thing.



I've said that all along. We don't make it as a species. If something catastrophic happens that wipes out millions of us - it'll be too late to save ourselves.

It's clear what we have to do. We have to respond to the climate and biodiversity and pollution issues as if they were Coronavirus. Because they are way more serious than fucking Covid.

And that takes leadership. And where our leaders lead we will follow - as Covid has shown.

So enough of the fatalistic bullshit. We've got the money. We've got the capacity. We've got the engineering talent. We just need to do it.

Well you seem to think that you are the world's expert on everything go fix the issue at hand overnight. You fucking cannot.

So we insulate every home in the UK, it achieves what exactly? I can tell you right now, fuck all. Absolutely fucking nothing to halt the crisis we face. Let me repeat it, insulating every home in the UK will do fuckall to stop rising temperatures.

 

[Scouse]

So we insulate every home in the UK, it achieves what exactly? I can tell you right now, fuck all. Absolutely fucking nothing to halt the crisis we face. Let me repeat it, insulating every home in the UK will do fuckall to stop rising temperatures.

It's one of *many* things we have to do with urgency. A multi-decade transformation of society.

So, on it's own it fixes fuck all - BUT without it we fail too.

Housing stock is part of the transformation. It's low-hanging fruit and one of the cheapest and most cost effective methods of carbon reduction.

It's not a choice @Deebs. It's a "have to".

 

[Wij]

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[Embattle]

Well you seem to think that you are the world's expert on everything go fix the issue at hand overnight. You fucking cannot.

So we insulate every home in the UK, it achieves what exactly? I can tell you right now, fuck all. Absolutely fucking nothing to halt the crisis we face. Let me repeat it, insulating every home in the UK will do fuckall to stop rising temperatures.

I don't agree with Scouse on the action of those hypocrites from Insulate Britain nor do I agree with him how you finance or pay for it. I do however believe it is still vitally important that we continue to make our own progress on the environmental issues at hand no matter there impact in the grand scheme of things, it'll not only improve our immediate environment but give us a better platform to stand on when talking to others.

 

[Raven]

Got my window open again this evening. It's a very nice autumn evening. I think I will fuck off camping at the weekend.

 

[Deebs]

It's one of *many* things we have to do with urgency. A multi-decade transformation of society.

So, on it's own it fixes fuck all - BUT without it we fail too.

Housing stock is part of the transformation. It's low-hanging fruit and one of the cheapest and most cost effective methods of carbon reduction.

It's not a choice @Deebs. It's a "have to".

Fucking hell. You are some daft cunt. The UK could become zero carbon tomorrow and the world will still fucking crash and burn. One country will not change climate change.

You say cheapest? Tell that to the people on minimum wage and just surviving. Seriously fuck off. You are such a fucking preacher. The UK alone is not going to change global warming no matter what we do.

 

[Deebs]

I don't agree with Scouse on the action of those hypocrites from Insulate Britain nor do I agree with him how you finance or pay for it. I do however believe it is still vitally important that we continue to make our own progress on the environmental issues at hand no matter there impact in the grand scheme of things, it'll not only improve our immediate environment but give us a better platform to stand on when talking to others.

Without the world all working together a single country will achieve fuckall. Zero. Fuckall. That is a fact.

 

[caLLous]

Without the world all working together a single country will achieve fuckall. Zero. Fuckall. That is a fact.

A single country setting an example will inspire others. Everybody sitting around waiting for a collective effort is what will achieve "fuckall".

 

[Deebs]

A single country setting an example will inspire others. Everybody sitting around waiting for a collective effort is what will achieve "fuckall".

No it won't.You expect China, India or the USA to follow us? I have a bridge I can sell you at cost....

 

[Scouse]

Fucking hell. You are some daft cunt. The UK could become zero carbon tomorrow and the world will still fucking crash and burn. One country will not change climate change.

What is the point of this @Deebs?

I don't think you are, but just to be clear - are you actually arguing we shouldn't bother doing anything because other countries may not?

That is, clearly, madness. Because every country could argue that. But that's the point of moral leadership, right? The point of us "doing the right thing". The whole thing about Britain being special, being "leaders" and "setting an example for the world".

@DaGaffer is right on China - they'll just fucking mandate it - and the whole country will fall in line. (Although they're not a happy news story yet - but seemingly they could be faster than us). But we are in control of Blighty. And only blighty. Sovreignity, remember? We are in control of our own destiny and not other countries - so pointing at the other countries and going "what about them!" - is utterly pointless.

So I'm not sure why you're doing it.

You say cheapest? Tell that to the people on minimum wage and just surviving. Seriously fuck off. You are such a fucking preacher. The UK alone is not going to change global warming no matter what we do.

Again. Nobody has said the UK alone is going to change global warming. I don't know where you're getting that from. But we can, and must, get our own house in order.

But on insulation. Cheapest? Yes - insulating the 7.5m houses that have thin single skinned walls is one of the cheapest methods of reducing carbon. And we can do it for fucking free:

1) We already pay (through our taxes) subsidies for fossil fuels.
2) Stop them.
3) Use the money on insulating our properties instead.

Simple.

I don't know why you're struggling with this concept. This is the easiest of the things we need to change. So what the hell are you going to be like when it comes to the hard choices?

You're a granddad. Do you not give a shit about the world you'll be handing over to them? I.E. One in which they' could easily end up living in a walled facist state because a billion migrants are trying to escape death by starvation and desertification by coming to Europe?

We've left this so late, because we've been arguing like petty children, that now only BIG changes are going to make a difference. And yes - we have to TRUST that the rest of the world will step up to the plate. But if we don't do our bit then it's pointless anyway.

 

[Scouse]

Ah. I can see you are actually being the kid in the schoolyard whining "what about them".

If you want your grand kids to have a chance, we have to act. Period. Whether others do their bit is up to them. We can only control what we can control.

 

[BloodOmen]

Future homeowners in france apparently looking to make houses out of straw... what could possibly go wrong with that idea on a planet that is warming up, surely nothing would happen to extremely flammable houses.