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[Overdriven]

fixed that for you

Aktuellelelehehl, Amazon is anti DEI [now], so it'll be the whitest middle class man of all time.

Mr. Cavill, where art thou?

 

[Scouse]

Anti-DEI should mean "best man for the job on merit" rather than hiring someone because of the colour of their skin.

TBH, I'd have said Idris Elba but he's probably too old.

It's funny. We've all known that DEI policies were inherently racist and sexist. Do white westerners suffer from some sort of stockholm syndrome?

You can hold two things in your head at the same time - that there are issues with racism AND there are issues with policies that preferentially advantage people because of the colour of their skin.

 

[Embattle]

I thought DEI was about not ignoring people who were better at something because they weren't white.

 

[Gwadien]

Anti-DEI should mean "best man for the job on merit" rather than hiring someone because of the colour of their skin.

TBH, I'd have said Idris Elba but he's probably too old.

It's funny. We've all known that DEI policies were inherently racist and sexist. Do white westerners suffer from some sort of stockholm syndrome?

You can hold two things in your head at the same time - that there are issues with racism AND there are issues with policies that preferentially advantage people because of the colour of their skin.

White people are poorer because the top 0.01 are taking all the money, not because of DEI, it's utter bollocks and I'm dumbfounded that you of all people are supporting it.

 

[Scouse]

1 - it's fuck all to do with money.

White people are poorer because the top 0.01 are taking all the money, not because of DEI, it's utter bollocks and I'm dumbfounded that you of all people are supporting it.

Maybe it's because you've never worked in the private sector and been directed to hire candidates who you don't think are the best for the roles because they don't help the firm's DEI targets.

You don't 'fix' racism with more racism.

Maybe there's a tiny bit of - because you've grown up with DEI you're like the canary in a cage - you can't even see that it's inherently racist. Or maybe you think the level of racism in DEI policies are acceptable, when racism is never acceptable. You're institutionalised.

 

[Scouse]

I thought DEI was about not ignoring people who were better at something because they weren't white.

Missed this. I think this is the "good place" where it comes from. And it's admirable and correct. I know where DEI comes from - a real place with real problems which we should address.

However, you wang targets in and make companies socially accountable for those targets and what happens in practice is that you hire people on colour of their skin or sex, rather than whether you truly believe they're the best for the job.

I don't know what the solution is - but racism is racism - and more of it should not be it.

 

[Scouse]

Lets get some data into this:

Gender and ethnicity data by market | Our people | HSBC Holdings plc

Our regional diversity data of gender and ethnicity now extends across eight markets, covering 72 per cent of our workforce.

www.hsbc.com

50/50 exactly in the UK In what is primarily an IT organisation (like all banks are) - that traditionally sexy and attractive-to-women job.

That doesn't happen without a very significant bias.



Edit: I have to point out - I'm not particularly butthurt by this. None of this is massively affecting me - I'm doing OK. (Although it might change as massive redundancies are coming this year). But on a point of principle it's wrong. That's all I care about - the principle.

Maybe we are now at a place where DEI policies have served their use and now we should just revert to hiring the best people for the job?

 

[Embattle]

 

[Scouse]

Yep. When you're hiring it's hard to hire experience isn't it, so where it's easiest they've massively hired women in place of men. Plus branch staff tend to be on more junior grades - try getting into branch staff at the bank if you're a bloke. *Really* hard.

On ethnic minority hiring in the UK - they're at 59% white - in an 82% white country.

Again - I can't really moan - Indian IT guys are plentiful - and they're highly represented.

So, really @Embattle - what are you trying to say? Other than you can't bring yourself to admit that obvious racism and sexism is obvious...?

And I'll state again - I'd love to live in a colour-blind world. There IS bias. But fucking over a generation of kids who've never even had the chance to be racist or sexist (yet) via the very thing you're trying to stamp out - racism and sexism - isn't, for me, the right answer.

 

[Embattle]

I can't really say I'm bothered by DEI.

 

[Scouse]

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bodhi]

I can't really say I'm bothered by DEI.

I'm not sure what it adds over the existing anti discrimination laws. If it's about celebrating other cultures then awesome, if it's a sermon telling me to "Be Less White" I'd rather spend the time doing some work.

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

You know that speech JD Vance made in Munich last week? Turns out he wasn't entirely wrong....

Seriously what the actual fuck? Why would the UK Government expect Apple to compromise their Cloud Encryption Service just so they could have a snoop round Doris' iCloud if she sent a hurty tweet?

 

[Zarjazz]

Seriously what the actual fuck? Why would the UK Government expect Apple to compromise their Cloud Encryption Service just so they could have a snoop round Doris' iCloud if she sent a hurty tweet?

Because the police and security services in this country have always had a hard-on for accessing people's data. That isn't the surprise, what is is Apple caving in.

 

[Bodhi]

Because the police and security services in this country have always had a hard-on for accessing people's data. That isn't the surprise, what is is Apple caving in.

It's caving as in they didn't pull out of the UK altogether, but despite the fact t everyone in the UK is skint and miserable were still a decent enough market they'd never do that.

However to me the phrase caving in almost sounds like Apple are the bad guys here, which clearly they ain't.

Just seems an utterly stupid and incomprehensible thing to ask, especially with the current refocus on liberty across the pond.

 

[Scouse]

what is is Apple caving in.

Not actually that surprised at that tbh.

 

[Gwadien]

1 - it's fuck all to do with money.

It has everything to do with it - the middle classes are coming to the realisation that they can't afford a home and be the sole breadwinner in a family like the generations before them, that has nothing to do with DEI stuff, that's just scapegoating. The US has faced an economic miracle after covid, but it's been massively downplayed because it turns out that trickle down economics don't really work.

As for 'DEI in the UK' - Are you sure this isn't voluntary? Because if we're going to go after big inefficient companies that have to get certain 'awards' in order to get £lolbn government contracts then yeah go for it, but actually having to have x amounts of non-white workers or you go to prison? No?

I mean I know that Catholic schools can discriminate on religious grounds so it doesn't seem that water tight.

 

[Raven]

It has everything to do with it - the middle classes are coming to the realisation that they can't afford a home and be the sole breadwinner in a family like the generations before them, that has nothing to do with DEI stuff, that's just scapegoating. The US has faced an economic miracle after covid, but it's been massively downplayed because it turns out that trickle down economics don't really work.

As for 'DEI in the UK' - Are you sure this isn't voluntary? Because if we're going to go after big inefficient companies that have to get certain 'awards' in order to get £lolbn government contracts then yeah go for it, but actually having to have x amounts of non-white workers or you go to prison? No?

I mean I know that Catholic schools can discriminate on religious grounds so it doesn't seem that water tight.

It's far right cool-aid. Utter nonsense.

 

[Gwadien]

It's far right cool-aid. Utter nonsense.

I just think it's crazy we've got this combination of a famously left wing Scouse who's decided to wait until now to believe the bullshit that is coming fron Trump and his bros.

I'm still sure moving from inner city Nottingham to the middle of bum fuck nowhere is a massive contributor. Or is it a getting old thing?

I'm not angry, just disappointed.