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[Overdriven]

fixed that for you

Aktuellelelehehl, Amazon is anti DEI [now], so it'll be the whitest middle class man of all time.

Mr. Cavill, where art thou?

 

[Scouse]

Anti-DEI should mean "best man for the job on merit" rather than hiring someone because of the colour of their skin.

TBH, I'd have said Idris Elba but he's probably too old.

It's funny. We've all known that DEI policies were inherently racist and sexist. Do white westerners suffer from some sort of stockholm syndrome?

You can hold two things in your head at the same time - that there are issues with racism AND there are issues with policies that preferentially advantage people because of the colour of their skin.

 

[Embattle]

I thought DEI was about not ignoring people who were better at something because they weren't white.

 

[Gwadien]

Anti-DEI should mean "best man for the job on merit" rather than hiring someone because of the colour of their skin.

TBH, I'd have said Idris Elba but he's probably too old.

It's funny. We've all known that DEI policies were inherently racist and sexist. Do white westerners suffer from some sort of stockholm syndrome?

You can hold two things in your head at the same time - that there are issues with racism AND there are issues with policies that preferentially advantage people because of the colour of their skin.

White people are poorer because the top 0.01 are taking all the money, not because of DEI, it's utter bollocks and I'm dumbfounded that you of all people are supporting it.

 

[Scouse]

1 - it's fuck all to do with money.

White people are poorer because the top 0.01 are taking all the money, not because of DEI, it's utter bollocks and I'm dumbfounded that you of all people are supporting it.

Maybe it's because you've never worked in the private sector and been directed to hire candidates who you don't think are the best for the roles because they don't help the firm's DEI targets.

You don't 'fix' racism with more racism.

Maybe there's a tiny bit of - because you've grown up with DEI you're like the canary in a cage - you can't even see that it's inherently racist. Or maybe you think the level of racism in DEI policies are acceptable, when racism is never acceptable. You're institutionalised.

 

[Scouse]

I thought DEI was about not ignoring people who were better at something because they weren't white.

Missed this. I think this is the "good place" where it comes from. And it's admirable and correct. I know where DEI comes from - a real place with real problems which we should address.

However, you wang targets in and make companies socially accountable for those targets and what happens in practice is that you hire people on colour of their skin or sex, rather than whether you truly believe they're the best for the job.

I don't know what the solution is - but racism is racism - and more of it should not be it.

 

[Scouse]

Lets get some data into this:

Gender and ethnicity data by market | Our people | HSBC Holdings plc

Our regional diversity data of gender and ethnicity now extends across eight markets, covering 72 per cent of our workforce.

www.hsbc.com

50/50 exactly in the UK In what is primarily an IT organisation (like all banks are) - that traditionally sexy and attractive-to-women job.

That doesn't happen without a very significant bias.



Edit: I have to point out - I'm not particularly butthurt by this. None of this is massively affecting me - I'm doing OK. (Although it might change as massive redundancies are coming this year). But on a point of principle it's wrong. That's all I care about - the principle.

Maybe we are now at a place where DEI policies have served their use and now we should just revert to hiring the best people for the job?

 

[Embattle]

 

[Scouse]

Yep. When you're hiring it's hard to hire experience isn't it, so where it's easiest they've massively hired women in place of men. Plus branch staff tend to be on more junior grades - try getting into branch staff at the bank if you're a bloke. *Really* hard.

On ethnic minority hiring in the UK - they're at 59% white - in an 82% white country.

Again - I can't really moan - Indian IT guys are plentiful - and they're highly represented.

So, really @Embattle - what are you trying to say? Other than you can't bring yourself to admit that obvious racism and sexism is obvious...?

And I'll state again - I'd love to live in a colour-blind world. There IS bias. But fucking over a generation of kids who've never even had the chance to be racist or sexist (yet) via the very thing you're trying to stamp out - racism and sexism - isn't, for me, the right answer.

 

[Embattle]

I can't really say I'm bothered by DEI.

 

[Scouse]

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bodhi]

I can't really say I'm bothered by DEI.

I'm not sure what it adds over the existing anti discrimination laws. If it's about celebrating other cultures then awesome, if it's a sermon telling me to "Be Less White" I'd rather spend the time doing some work.

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

Customers' photos and documents stored online will no longer be protected by end-to-end encryption.

www.bbc.co.uk

You know that speech JD Vance made in Munich last week? Turns out he wasn't entirely wrong....

Seriously what the actual fuck? Why would the UK Government expect Apple to compromise their Cloud Encryption Service just so they could have a snoop round Doris' iCloud if she sent a hurty tweet?

 

[Zarjazz]

Seriously what the actual fuck? Why would the UK Government expect Apple to compromise their Cloud Encryption Service just so they could have a snoop round Doris' iCloud if she sent a hurty tweet?

Because the police and security services in this country have always had a hard-on for accessing people's data. That isn't the surprise, what is is Apple caving in.

 

[Bodhi]

Because the police and security services in this country have always had a hard-on for accessing people's data. That isn't the surprise, what is is Apple caving in.

It's caving as in they didn't pull out of the UK altogether, but despite the fact t everyone in the UK is skint and miserable were still a decent enough market they'd never do that.

However to me the phrase caving in almost sounds like Apple are the bad guys here, which clearly they ain't.

Just seems an utterly stupid and incomprehensible thing to ask, especially with the current refocus on liberty across the pond.

 

[Scouse]

what is is Apple caving in.

Not actually that surprised at that tbh.

 

[Gwadien]

1 - it's fuck all to do with money.

It has everything to do with it - the middle classes are coming to the realisation that they can't afford a home and be the sole breadwinner in a family like the generations before them, that has nothing to do with DEI stuff, that's just scapegoating. The US has faced an economic miracle after covid, but it's been massively downplayed because it turns out that trickle down economics don't really work.

As for 'DEI in the UK' - Are you sure this isn't voluntary? Because if we're going to go after big inefficient companies that have to get certain 'awards' in order to get £lolbn government contracts then yeah go for it, but actually having to have x amounts of non-white workers or you go to prison? No?

I mean I know that Catholic schools can discriminate on religious grounds so it doesn't seem that water tight.

 

[Raven]

It has everything to do with it - the middle classes are coming to the realisation that they can't afford a home and be the sole breadwinner in a family like the generations before them, that has nothing to do with DEI stuff, that's just scapegoating. The US has faced an economic miracle after covid, but it's been massively downplayed because it turns out that trickle down economics don't really work.

As for 'DEI in the UK' - Are you sure this isn't voluntary? Because if we're going to go after big inefficient companies that have to get certain 'awards' in order to get £lolbn government contracts then yeah go for it, but actually having to have x amounts of non-white workers or you go to prison? No?

I mean I know that Catholic schools can discriminate on religious grounds so it doesn't seem that water tight.

It's far right cool-aid. Utter nonsense.

 

[Gwadien]

It's far right cool-aid. Utter nonsense.

I just think it's crazy we've got this combination of a famously left wing Scouse who's decided to wait until now to believe the bullshit that is coming fron Trump and his bros.

I'm still sure moving from inner city Nottingham to the middle of bum fuck nowhere is a massive contributor. Or is it a getting old thing?

I'm not angry, just disappointed.

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnSWDKfT7FQ

 

[Raven]

I "stopped" drinking a few years ago, I only really have the odd glass of wine here and there now.

Drank a bottle of rum last night, now being heavily reminded how shitty hangovers are.

 

[Embattle]

I "stopped" drinking a few years ago, I only really have the odd glass of wine here and there now.

Drank a bottle of rum last night, now being heavily reminded how shitty hangovers are.

And the expensive piss you are going to output.

 

[DaGaffer]

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I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. This is not good, in every category, but in the first two it's simply a function of time; in the last one its a function of policy, and it basically says "young men are fucked".

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm not sure what it adds over the existing anti discrimination laws. If it's about celebrating other cultures then awesome, if it's a sermon telling me to "Be Less White" I'd rather spend the time doing some work.


You know that speech JD Vance made in Munich last week? Turns out he wasn't entirely wrong....

Seriously what the actual fuck? Why would the UK Government expect Apple to compromise their Cloud Encryption Service just so they could have a snoop round Doris' iCloud if she sent a hurty tweet?

The problem is not what was said, but who was saying it and why. UK asking for back door access? "oh no, dictatorship", US asks for back door access? So long as its the NSA doing it to foreigners, or anyone who talks to foreigners (which in the social media age is basically everybody), work away. And yes, that includes Apple, who make a big song and dance about device security, while failing to mention it doesn't matter because the state has access to all the cloud data anyway. The only remotely trustworthy US tech company when it comes to actually protecting data is Microsoft, because they don't reserve the right to route European data to the US. For all the others, the US government can get into everything.

 

[Scouse]

It has everything to do with it

Are you telling me that for me that DEI is to do with money?

I'm talking about what I think about DEI and what I've always thought about it - since the 90's when I left University and joined the real world of non-government work. And I brought real-life examples and actual real-life data to the party.

E.G: @DaGaffer said this to @Embattle:

I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. This is not good, in every category, but in the first two it's simply a function of time; in the last one its a function of policy, and it basically says "young men are fucked".

Indeed it does. The DEI policies mean that you're utterly fucked if you want to get into most of the business roles if you're a bloke. Young men of today aren't to blame for historical anything - just like anyone else they want to get a job, earn some money.

But because they're men it's much much harder for them.

That's what DEI has always meant. Discrimination based on sex and colour.


There's no balance in your argument @Gwadien. I openly admit that there are racial and sexual issues in the UK. I'd love to have something done about it. But fucking white men over because of race and sex is still fucking people over. It's exactly the same as fucking people of colour or women over - apart from this is government-backed policy.

If you're looking for why the left is getting trashed in elections then take a good look at the labour party. They're just as much a party of racism as any other party but they're telling the rest of the country that they're wrong. It doesn't wash. Everyone must be treated as EQUAL. DEI is the opposite of that.

The left's answer to inequality gives that wanker Vance his ammunition - when he says Europe is running in fear of it's electorate and anti-democratic you only have to read the Guardian today to see open argument for how Labour should reform our political institutions to block Reform UK out.

Not beat Reform in an argument - block it.

Vance absolutely has a point. The left doesn't have answers - that's why they're losing.

I'm not angry, just disappointed.

I'm the same guy. I'm disappointed that you absolutely used to be open to differing points of view and meeting in the middle, but that seems to have died in you when you left Uni and became a teacher.

I made number of points - about stuff I've watched affect real people's lives before my very eyes - and you've not addressed any of them. Just plain ignored them - not attempted to put up an argument or say why it's right that those people should have been discriminated against. Why is that? Can you not defend your position - just criticise my (evidence-provided) post without providing any actual critique?

I'm disappointed that you can see nothing of value in what I've said. I absolutely can see your point about DEI. But I believe it's fundamentally wrong. In our well-meaning effort to fix the inequality suffered by people of colour and women this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x6njs-cGUE


Is being subverted. DEI does not provide equality of opportunity - it tries to provide equality of outcome. Through racist and sexist policy.

 

[Lamp]

 

[Scouse]

NHS doctor who ‘glorified terrorist violence’ wins deportation challenge

Home Office moved to cancel Menatalla Elwan’s leave to remain over posts on Hamas’s 7 October attack

www.theguardian.com

Definitely worth getting rid of a doctor for.

 

[Tom]

New car day. Old car (Lexus RX400h) went in for MOT. It always fails on something or other but it is 20 years old. Well this year it failed on rusty sills, which I expected after I got a puncture last year, jacked it up and the jack punched straight through the sill So that would be £700 to pass an MOT. This is after all new discs and pads last year, plus two new rear tyres (following that puncture). And complete parking brake replacement the year before. The bills were just getting bigger.

So I'm scrapping it, and today collected this, a VW ID3, 58kwh, 200bhp so quite nippy. Lots of nice toys on it, nice and quiet, and no more petrol or diesel for me. Decided to go with PCP on a second hand car, because the price of EVs is dropping so quickly now. Seems like a more sensible thing to do than my usual solution (loan + buy outright).

 

[Deebs]

New car day. Old car (Lexus RX400h) went in for MOT. It always fails on something or other but it is 20 years old. Well this year it failed on rusty sills, which I expected after I got a puncture last year, jacked it up and the jack punched straight through the sill So that would be £700 to pass an MOT. This is after all new discs and pads last year, plus two new rear tyres (following that puncture). And complete parking brake replacement the year before. The bills were just getting bigger.

So I'm scrapping it, and today collected this, a VW ID3, 58kwh, 200bhp so quite nippy. Lots of nice toys on it, nice and quiet, and no more petrol or diesel for me. Decided to go with PCP on a second hand car, because the price of EVs is dropping so quickly now. Seems like a more sensible thing to do than my usual solution (loan + buy outright).

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Hmm I liked this but then thought hold fucking on, the cup holder cannot hold the cup straight, send the car back for one with a working cup holder, they are ripping you off!!!!!!

 

[BloodOmen]

Hmm I liked this but then thought hold fucking on, the cup holder cannot hold the cup straight, send the car back for one with a working cup holder, they are ripping you off!!!!!!

Should come with a warning sticker: Warning, passenger may receive severe coffee burns

 

[Lamp]

Enjoy the new car !

I just can't bring myself to buy an electric car. I know its the future, but I'm from the past, so sticking to petrol