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[Deebs]

Again all this is based upon OUR understandings. No doubt there are things we are yet to discover about the universe we live in. How do we know that at the far end of the universe (the light would still not be hitting Earth as it is too young) there is a an older race of intelligent life who are also more advanced than us??

 

[Deebs]

I'm not an expert - @Zarjazz is

Fucking joke of the day, you made me laugh with that. Thank you

 

[Raven]

Light is pretty fast, it's the fastest thing we have ever seen.

What if there was something else, that we cannot detect, that is faster?

 

[Scouse]

It's not useful at all, it takes forever to send/receive, and is already a problem for communicating with things on Mars, literally our next door neighbour.

It works at the speed of light - because radio waves are light.

It's not light's fault that Mars is a long way away. There's no other light - be it microwave or ultraviolet - that's going to get to Mars any faster than light!

So, your rationale that radio is going to be dead in 100 years is because you recon we're going to have faster than light communications?

Light is pretty fast, it's the fastest thing we have ever seen.

What if there was something else, that we cannot detect, that is faster?

Magic is faster Raven. We should use magic.

 

[Scouse]

Quantum entanglement doesn't care about distance.

But for the fact that you have to take one of the entangled quantum pair to the other destination.

By snail mail.

 

[Scouse]

Again all this is based upon OUR understandings. No doubt there are things we are yet to discover about the universe we live in. How do we know that at the far end of the universe (the light would still not be hitting Earth as it is too young) there is a an older race of intelligent life who are also more advanced than us??

Won't happen. They'd have had to evolve too. And they'd have to evolve just like we did - and they'd have to evolve through our stage of evolution.

Which, unfortunately, is the last stage of evolution before catastropic ecosphere collapse.

 

[Scouse]

Jeebusz!11!

Watch the moment a man is swallowed by humpback whale

Dell Simancas captures the moment his son, Adrián, is swallowed and spat out by a humpback whale.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lamp]

College education. Can't beat it.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4qXYign0gw

 

[Lamp]

There's a Nazi flag available on Amazon which says its "suitable for all occasions"
So what, like a Barmitzvah ?

(I won't post the link but trust me - its there)

 

[Lamp]

What if there was something else, that we cannot detect, that is faster?

Russell Brand's alibi ?

 

[Deebs]

Won't happen. They'd have had to evolve too. And they'd have to evolve just like we did - and they'd have to evolve through our stage of evolution.

Which, unfortunately, is the last stage of evolution before catastropic ecosphere collapse.

Why would they have to evolve like us?

 

[Scouse]

College education. Can't beat it.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4qXYign0gw

And people think the human race is going to make it!

So. Theoretically. If you could press a big red button that would wipe out - thanos style - any human with an IQ of less than 100, would you push it?

 

[Scouse]

Why would they have to evolve like us?

The mechanism of evolution is the same - i.e. if you pass on your genes before you die = victory. If you don't = de-selected.

They may not look like us - there might be differences in their planets (e.g. heavier gravity would likely mean shorter stockier animals, lighter gravity might mean all sorts of phenotypic differences in the animals and plants. But generally, as things evolve, the ones that get to the 'top of the tree' - to dominate enough to make a technological society - they need to develop an intellect.

But because they've evolved they'll have the same problems we have - intellectual hangover from a more primitive age. We can develop tech, and then we can stand on the shoulders of giants and continue to develop tech, incrementally. However, we're not intellectually equipped to use that tech properly, without self-harming. For example - the unsustainable use of plastics, of fossil fuels - it's not currently stopping us from passing on our genes. But at some point they will be an existential threat, if not to the planet - at least to human civilisation.

Physics is the same everywhere. Biology is really only a branch of physics. Therefore, evolution is the same everywhere - it's a mechanism.

 

[Zarjazz]

Fucking joke of the day, you made me laugh with that. Thank you

Cunt.

I'm not an expert - @Zarjazz is

AFAIK, when you take a measurement of an entangled bit you collapse the wavefunction of the correlated bit but no information is transmitted. You still need classical systems to communicate.

I'm no expert, I just know more than @Deebs. As for your statement, it is essentially correct. The measurement breaks the entanglement but you have no control over what the result will be, so there is no way to use it to send information.

Light is pretty fast, it's the fastest thing we have ever seen.

What if there was something else, that we cannot detect, that is faster?

If it's something we can't see (electromagnetic interactions), or measure by any by any other method (e.g. gravity) then does it even exist?

As for my opinion to some of the other points raised:
- nothing can go faster than the speed of light, nothing. There will be no Star Trek warp drives for us in the future.
- life existing elsewhere in the universe... I used to think back in my undergrad days of course it must just because of probability, there are a lot of stars out there. But as I learned more about what is required for life to start, the utter improbability, that belief has faded. I think we're alone. A trillion galaxies sounds like a lot, but it's just a number that can be quantified, just like the unlikely chance for life to appear. Recent studies seem to suggest the latter is even more unlikely that we used to believe. These days I'm more a believer in some form of the Anthropic Principle. That a mechanism exists for multiple universes to exists / happen / loop / other crazy ideas and we just happened to have won the lottery in this one to ask all these questions.

 

[Scouse]

I think we're alone.

If that's the case then our politics is all wrong.

We should be living the 'best human life' - and capitalism can't provide that.

 

[Deebs]

Cunt.

I'm no expert, I just know more than @Deebs. As for your statement, it is essentially correct. The measurement breaks the entanglement but you have no control over what the result will be, so there is no way to use it to send information.


If it's something we can't see (electromagnetic interactions), or measure by any by any other method (e.g. gravity) then does it even exist?

As for my opinion to some of the other points raised:
- nothing can go faster than the speed of light, nothing. There will be no Star Trek warp drives for us in the future.
- life existing elsewhere in the universe... I used to think back in my undergrad days of course it must just because of probability, there are a lot of stars out there. But as I learned more about what is required for life to start, the utter improbability, that belief has faded. I think we're alone. A trillion galaxies sounds like a lot, but it's just a number that can be quantified, just like the unlikely chance for life to appear. Recent studies seem to suggest the latter is even more unlikely that we used to believe. These days I'm more a believer in some form of the Anthropic Principle. That a mechanism exists for multiple universes to exists / happen / loop / other crazy ideas and we just happened to have won the lottery in this one to ask all these questions.

1. You are welcome
2. I agree you are no expert.
3. Undergrad days? You mean doing fuckall apart from hosting and playing quakeworld as one of the few LPBs.

I believe that there are other planes/levels of something we have not discovered yet due to our knowledge and technical limitations. I cannot believe that in the last 300-400 years we have discovered everything there is to know about the universe we live in which is billions of years old.

 

[Overdriven]

1. You are welcome
2. I agree you are no expert.
3. Undergrad days? You mean doing fuckall apart from hosting and playing quakeworld as one of the few LPBs.

I believe that there are other planes/levels of something we have not discovered yet due to our knowledge and technical limitations. I cannot believe that in the last 300-400 years we have discovered everything there is to know about the universe we live in which is billions of years old.

I think when/if we actually become inter-planetary we'll discover a metric tonne, and that will happen at some point. People need to remember that we've only been space bound for 60~ years which is nothing. Who knows what will happen in the next 60. Look at CERN

Assuming there's no global MAD in the next 100-200 years I think we'll discover a fair bit, just need our current lot to behave.

Look at this alone: The Future Circular Collider

This stuff takes time, and time is the challenge. Considering the industrial age only started 300~ years ago, we're not doing too badly. Take onboard the non-sci-fi/fear-mongering advance in electronics/'AI'/etc and it could be a fun future for us all.. But then, hopefully no MAD.

 

[Lamp]

Obviously I don't know if we are alone. But there are so many stars and planets out there. There must be at least one planet orbiting a star at a Goldilocks distance with water and a non-toxic atmosphere. I really want to believe there is other life out there somewhere.

 

[SilverHood]

I find it unlikely that within the 100 billion plus galaxies we can observe, and in the countless others that are too far, that somewhere in the tens of billions solar systems within those galaxies, there isn't some form of life, or there hasn't at some point existed life.

 

[Scouse]

I think it's teeming tbh. Teeming.

Just not for long.

 

[Raven]

I will soon be on 4am wake ups, cats.... start work at 8, so 4 hours to fill, looking at gym memberships. Got a Virgin gym ~half a mile away.

£99.99 a fucking month? Get to fuck. I could buy all the equipment, over a year, for less than that.

 

[Tom]

Meh. I think there's life *everywhere*. But if it was long-lived then we'd have detected it by now.

Imagine a civilisation that lives for 10,000 years emitting radio waves (which they would all do). Any of the approx. 1 billion stars within ten thousand light years of us that had an existing civilisation we'd have detected by now. Any that are further afield - say within our galaxy - we would not be unlikely to detect if life was common - as everyone says.

The only real conclusion is that, like us, life evolves and then we get to human-levels of intelligence, but technology keeps evolving - and we all experience either civilisational or planetary collapse - so our radio-waves only exist for a few hundred years. That makes them easy to miss - ships passing in the night.

So, I think, loads of life, doomed to relatively rapid extermination.

Or the Universe is really young, and we're the first intelligent life to evolve in our local area. 14-odd billion years sounds like a long time but it's nothing.

 

[Lamp]

I tell you what will take a long time. Calculating Tree-3. The universe will die from heat death before you've even scratched the surface. In fact, you'll be able to quantum tunnel entire squash balls through a solid wall millions of times before you've reached the end of Tree-3.

 

[Zarjazz]

Or the Universe is really young, and we're the first intelligent life to evolve in our local area. 14-odd billion years sounds like a long time but it's nothing.

This is backed by science. The heavier elements required to make complex molecules (as in those used in life on Earth at least) require them being formed in supernova. And not just one supernova, but two or three generations of stars to make enough of the right ratios of elements. Someone did the math and the time when the ingredients are just right is now. The reason we don't see anyone else out there could be because we are the first.

 

[Scouse]

I'm not ambivalent to that view @Tom, @Zarjazz.

Unfortunately, I think in that case we'll be the first to go pop.

But the idea does make me feel happier.

 

[Scouse]

WWF helping facilitate trade in polar bear fur, investigation reveals

Wildlife charity backs policy of exploitation of small number of some endangered species for economic purposes – such as trophy hunting

www.theguardian.com

WWF wrong?

I think that in Africa you allow and manage trade because without a means for legal sustainable trade everything will be illegal and unconstrained.

But killing and selling polar bear pelts when there's no previous history of trade and little desire on top of an existential environmental risk does nothing but encourage a business.

One size doesn't fit all.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Raven]

Been out with the fam today/tonight...Dad was in town, I have only been in contact with him a couple of years, my sister has only been in contact with him for around 3 months. We started at 15:00, in town. A rare night of me drinking...

My sister decided to get so drunk that she collapsed, on top of my wife, in the garden of a surprisingly decent ale house, where strangers rushed over to help. While carefully transporting my paraletic sister to the taxi rank, my brother-in-law, in all seriousness, suggests we stop off at another pub, could not understand our reluctance.

Wife, also wankered, has gone off to bed, and I have rolled an enormous joint, and ordered a Pizza hut.

What a pointless evening, why is booze legal, and weed, not? Why is getting so wankered that you fall over, essentially acceptable, and tucking yourself in for the weekend, with a quarter, illegal?

Everything is stupid.

 

[Raven]

I went with the large Peperoni and nduja, with extra cheese, extra perperoni and extra nduja, btw. 50% off, £19.something.

 

[MYstIC G]

I went with the large Peperoni and nduja, with extra cheese, extra perperoni and extra nduja, btw. 50% off, £19.something.

£19 for pizza is what's stupid (not you, just insane cost)