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[Overdriven]

Woohoo. Finally back on line after a 5 days without internet.

 

[Embattle]

My new favourite advert

Eat it Lisa yumyumyumyumyum


View: https://youtu.be/JIzTgp-hJhY

To me it isn't a taste issue with meat free products, it is a cost issue.

 

[Scouse]

To me it isn't a taste issue with meat free products, it is a cost issue.

If they price in proper carbon pricing on meat products (which they should do - so we pay the real cost) then that would cease to be the issue.

I read an article over the weekend saying we could provide the entire world's protein from an area smaller than London - so we could literally re-wild all the livestock farming land.

I'd hate to lose real meat. But we should be doing it. We certainly could easily lose 50% of global production and make real meat very much more expensive, and farm it using only organic permaculture silvopasture methods - which protects the soil, remove pesticide and external feed production and massively reduces the carbon emitted (in fact, in the short term converting to a proper silvopasture system (running cattle under trees) could potentially be a carbon reduction method as millions of new trees would have to be planted - and there's no reason they couldn't be fruit / nut / nitrogen fixers and material suppliers (like willow)).

Right now it costs less than the price of a pint to produce a battery chicken but we don't properly cost in food, energy, leakage of sewage into our rivers etc. - if we properly accounted for that (and made farmers collect and dispose of 100% of their waste) then it'd go through the roof. (Not to mention the animal cruelty issues ofc).

 

[Bodhi]

If they price in proper carbon pricing on meat products (which they should do - so we pay the real cost) then that would cease to be the issue.

I read an article over the weekend saying we could provide the entire world's protein from an area smaller than London - so we could literally re-wild all the livestock farming land.

I'd hate to lose real meat. But we should be doing it. We certainly could easily lose 50% of global production and make real meat very much more expensive, and farm it using only organic permaculture silvopasture methods - which protects the soil, remove pesticide and external feed production and massively reduces the carbon emitted (in fact, in the short term converting to a proper silvopasture system (running cattle under trees) could potentially be a carbon reduction method as millions of new trees would have to be planted - and there's no reason they couldn't be fruit / nut / nitrogen fixers and material suppliers (like willow)).

Right now it costs less than the price of a pint to produce a battery chicken but we don't properly cost in food, energy, leakage of sewage into our rivers etc. - if we properly accounted for that (and made farmers collect and dispose of 100% of their waste) then it'd go through the roof. (Not to mention the animal cruelty issues ofc).

You'd have to a be a particular type of arsehole to propose making food really expensive during a cost of living crisis, then replacing the protein we've survived and thrived on for years with ultra-processed vegetable crap and insects.

 

[Gwadien]

To me it isn't a taste issue with meat free products, it is a cost issue.

They're generally cheaper, it's just if you want the brands that try to imitate meat as close as possible then yeah, it's gonna be more expensive.

I'm not a fan of imitations at all really, even though some of them are pretty accurate, may as well just have proteins that aren't meat, which contrary to resident bexiteer tory boomers, do in fact indeed, and Vegans aren't going to wipe out humanity.

 

[Scouse]

You'd have to a be a particular type of arsehole to propose making food really expensive

I'm not. I'm proposing that we simply reflect the real cost of making food.

during a cost of living crisis

We're always in a cost of living crisis. Certainly since 2008 since when, under Tory leadership, wages have been frozen or fallen in real-terms.

That's no excuse for further inaction.

then replacing the protein we've survived and thrived on for years with ultra-processed vegetable crap and insects.

I don't doubt that real meat is better for us overall. But not if producing it actually fucks us.

I know you don't believe that, so there's no point in arguing that point. But lets pretend that you are wrong and science is right - then exploiting alternative protein sources rational and necessary.

(And it's the first time you've had a problem with ultra-processed food - arguing previously that it was healthy and there was nothing wrong with eating it).

 

[Raven]

They're generally cheaper, it's just if you want the brands that try to imitate meat as close as possible then yeah, it's gonna be more expensive.

I'm not a fan of imitations at all really, even though some of them are pretty accurate, may as well just have proteins that aren't meat, which contrary to resident bexiteer tory boomers, do in fact indeed, and Vegans aren't going to wipe out humanity.

People don't need all this fake meat shit* to eat less meat, just eat less meat. There is plenty to eat without it, how do people think they managed previously?

Meat, often, is a very modern way of doing things.

*Having said that, some of it isn't actually that bad.

Edit. Now it's getting colder, I have started doing a beef stew in the slow cooker, at least once a week, usually does 2 nights for the pair of us. Very little beef actually goes into it, it's mostly veg. It's also very forgiving in which cut of beef you use, so no need for the super expensive stuff.

 

[Scouse]

Jeremy Corbyn will never stand for Labour again, say senior figures

Exclusive: Reinstating whip to former leader ‘would be toxic’ to party’s chances of winning general election

www.theguardian.com

This should be really awkward for "Labour" but it doesn't seem to be.

 

[Scouse]

People don't need all this fake meat shit* to eat less meat, just eat less meat. There is plenty to eat without it, how do people think they managed previously?

Meat, often, is a very modern way of doing things.

*Having said that, some of it isn't actually that bad.

Edit. Now it's getting colder, I have started doing a beef stew in the slow cooker, at least once a week, usually does 2 nights for the pair of us. Very little beef actually goes into it, it's mostly veg. It's also very forgiving in which cut of beef you use, so no need for the super expensive stuff.

Agree 100%.

However, it's an argument that requires self-starting change, which is the sort of change that never happens at either the pace or volume that you need.

We need a full "carrot and stick" programme by all of the global governments.

 

[Raven]

Also, teaching kids how to cook at school would go a long way. Even the basics. People just can't cook any more.

 

[Deebs]

Amazing


View: https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1592154369868574720

 

[Tom]

Back to the point made about global pollution and our measly contribution to it. You can't point at another country and say that because they're not doing enough, we shouldn't bother. It's like pointing at your neighbour's garden, full of washing machines and a couch, and refusing on that basis to tidy your own property. It's silly. Do what you think is right and at least you have the moral authority to criticise those you think aren't.

BTW, China's energy mix is slowly moving away from coal and more towards renewables. They're pretty much the world leader in wind power and are steadily increasing the amount of renewables generation. They still emit far too much co2 from coal, but their energy mix is changing.

Also, a lot of our reduction in co2 over the years may well be due to our outsourcing of industry - to places like China.

 

[Wij]

Amazing


View: https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1592154369868574720

OK - he's a bit faster than me :/

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/holman/status/1592204640518811648

 

[Raven]

Christ, some loons on twitter are comparing Corbyn to Kanye West. Haha

 

[Scouse]

For those of you still to have babies and have a choice - consider this if you prefer them lifted out the sun roof:

How you're born alters vaccines' power

The types of good bacteria which colonise our bodies at birth could influence how well vaccines work.

www.bbc.co.uk

Fascinating!

 

[BloodOmen]

Amazing


View: https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1592154369868574720

And there's me sat trying to do the one that my son mixed up over 6 weeks ago... lol

 

[Wij]

And there's me sat trying to do the one that my son mixed up over 6 weeks ago... lol

I can do them in about a minute. My peak average was 30 seconds many years ago but I've forgotten most of the algorithms

 

[BloodOmen]

I can do them in about a minute. My peak average was 30 seconds many years ago but I've forgotten most of the algorithms

I've only picked one up twice in my life, bloody annoying things lol my son loves his though.

 

[Embattle]

Busy day on the BBC live streams with missiles hitting Poland, Artemis finally launched, Trump running for president and inflation going higher what a day to be alive

 

[Wij]

I’m sure this will have the advertisers flooding back:


View: https://twitter.com/adamndsmith/status/1592803343059283968

 

[Wij]

Yeah, have it on steam, couldn't really get into it.

Finished it last week. Quite enjoyed it.

 

[Scouse]

Noice

Green activists project fuel poverty images on to Rishi Sunak’s house

Exclusive: Campaigners from Greenpeace beam film on to PM’s North Yorkshire mansion from van parked outside

www.theguardian.com

View: https://youtu.be/2mx8neGn9KM

It reminds Sunak that energy companies are set to make £170bn in excess profits over the next two years – but that it would cost “just” £55bn to insulate all homes in the UK, which are some of the coldest and draughtiest in western Europe.

 

[Scouse]

Commercial Dwarf Fortress?

Might even give it another bash. I tried once and decided I couldn't devote the time it needed.

Unexpected nudity and vomit-covered cats: how Dwarf Fortress tells some of gaming’s most bizarre stories

For around 20 years, brothers Zach and Tarn Adams have been working on their idiosyncratic fantasy game – and it’s only just got graphics

www.theguardian.com

Either way, I might just spunk some cash as the guys deserve it.

 

[Jupitus]

My pc did an update, and seems to have been registered on websites as a different pc... logging into twitter, all the stuff it shows me is in foreign... have I been h4kxx0r3d?

 

[Jupitus]

Weird shit

 

[Embattle]

Have you criticised Elon in someway on twitter

 

[Wij]

Have you criticised Elon in someway on twitter

Has he made a bid for FH yet @Deebs ?

 

[Wij]

I’m sure this will have the advertisers flooding back:


View: https://twitter.com/adamndsmith/status/1592803343059283968

On the ‘hardcore’ ultimatum email. Even by the USs lax labour law standards, he can’t do this:


View: https://twitter.com/LisaBloom/status/1592914986183331840

 

[Ormorof]

On the ‘hardcore’ ultimatum email. Even by the USs lax labour law standards, he can’t do this:


View: https://twitter.com/LisaBloom/status/1592914986183331840

If nothing comes of this and hes allowed to do this it will just cement the idea that in US, once you are rich enough, laws are more of a suggestion than actual things that should be followed

Wont hold my breath