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[Wij]

Nice pedantry yes, also nice how you missed the notes after that which suggest the Queen and Philip both paid what was due and the exemptions don't apply to the rest of the Royal Family. However 85% of the revenue the Crown Estate makes goes back to the Exchequer, which to all intents and purposes , is a tax.

It might not fit into your incredibly simplistic understanding of matters, but it is what it is.

You prolapsed arseknuckle.

The Crown Estate isn't their personal property though and therefore isn't their 'income' to be 'taxed'.

 

[Bodhi]

Still missing the point that you're only talking about income from the Crown Estate.

Not the Duchies of Cornwall, Lancaster or any PRIVATE income - which they don't have to pay tax or report on.


It's amazing that you can continue to keep having a total blind spot for the obvious - even when it's repeatedly pointed out very clearly to you.

It's amazing you can keep going on a topic when a large proportion of the forum have suggested you shut the fuck up tbh.

In simple terms - Royal Family makes money, 85% goes back to the Government. However that's clearly not a tax, because reasons.

So I will add to the chorus. Shut the fuck up.

 

[Deebs]

The Crown Estate isn't their personal property though and therefore isn't their 'income' to be 'taxed'.

The Crown Estate is though owned by the Monarch in right of the Crown. This means that the King owns it by virtue of holding the position of reigning Monarch, for as long as he is on the throne, as will his successor.

Source:

About us | The Crown Estate

About The Crown Estate, including our purpose, strategy, history and leadership. Our purpose is to create lasting and shared prosperity for the nation. It drives our strategy and informs all we do.

www.thecrownestate.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

In simple terms - Royal Family makes money, 85% goes back to the Government.

Private, Cornwall, Lancaster.

Explain them please. Not Crown.

 

[Scouse]

Source:

About us | The Crown Estate

About The Crown Estate, including our purpose, strategy, history and leadership. Our purpose is to create lasting and shared prosperity for the nation. It drives our strategy and informs all we do.

www.thecrownestate.co.uk

Thanks for clarifying @Deebs:

By contrast, the King also has private assets, which include Balmoral and Sandringham, and are his to deal with as he chooses. But by no means all of what is commonly called Crown land or Crown Property forms part of The Crown Estate.

*cough* Bodhi *cough*

 

[Ormorof]

But hes appointed by divine right so get back to your hovel welsh peasant, you are Williams problem now

 

[Wij]

Source:

About us | The Crown Estate

About The Crown Estate, including our purpose, strategy, history and leadership. Our purpose is to create lasting and shared prosperity for the nation. It drives our strategy and informs all we do.

www.thecrownestate.co.uk

Exactly. Not personal property. Revenues go directly to the government because that's where the law says they go. They aren't 'taxed'. They hold a special status in UK law. Currently it says they get 25% back. Previously they got a civil list out of it. It was in exchange for relieving the monarchy from having to pay for the running of government.

 

[Wij]

And I'm not a raving anti-monarchist. It all seems a bit silly to me but so do many countries' ways of doing things. Let's just be accurate.

 

[Bodhi]

Private, Cornwall, Lancaster.

Explain them please. Not Crown.

Couldn't give a shit about their private affairs, any more than I could give a shit about anyone on this forum's private affairs - apart from self confessed tax dodgers obviously.

Point was you were moaning like a stuck pig that we had to pay for their funeral costs when they contribute nothing to the Exchequer - my point was that they do, so an extra £10m to cover funeral costs out of that existing 85% of £3 billion over the last 10 years isn't really worth frothing over.

Unless you're upset that our Head of State has priveledges we don't. As if you are I may have some news for you.....

 

[Scouse]

Couldn't give a shit about their private affairs

Thanks for conceding. They don't pay income, capital gains or inheritance tax on their vast personal fortune.

It's funny how far you're willing to go. Do you just say to yourself "Yeah, I know they don't pay tax, but I'm going to continue to argue a very specific-yet-irrelevant thing for no discernible reason other than to be a cunt".

 

[Deebs]

Thanks for conceding. They don't pay income, capital gains or inheritance tax on their vast personal fortune.

It's funny how far you're willing to go. Do you just say to yourself "Yeah, I know they don't pay tax, but I'm going to continue to argue a very specific-yet-irrelevant thing for no discernible reason other than to be a cunt".

You keep saying "They". Who is "They" ??

Only the Monarch is exempt from paying IHT, CGT, IT. The Queen voluntarily paid it, lets see what the King will do. Every other Royal is subject to the same tax laws as you and me are.

 

[Wij]

You keep saying "They". Who is "They" ??

Only the Monarch is exempt from paying IHT, CGT, IT. The Queen voluntarily paid it, lets see what the King will do. Every other Royal is subject to the same tax laws as you and me are.

Yes but the Duchys themselves are also special kinds of organisations and aren't subject to inheritance tax for instance even though they do pay income tax on the 'profit'.

I actually think Bodhi summed it up in saying that it's not news that the Royal Family have privileges. They do. They and/or the organisations that fund them have many special statuses in law because we are a monarchy.

 

[Scouse]

You keep saying "They". Who is "They" ??

Only the Monarch is exempt from paying IHT, CGT, IT. The Queen voluntarily paid it, lets see what the King will do. Every other Royal is subject to the same tax laws as you and me are.

Oh, I'm sorry, is the King being exempt from all taxes not enough?

Perhaps the fact that when laws are drawn up they go to the king first, so he can write in his personal exemptions from them, before they're published to other arms of the government?

(And you're wrong btw - none of the rest of the family will pay any inheritance tax. None. Nada. Zip.)

 

[Scouse]

we are a monarchy.

Masquerading as a "democracy".

Some shitty feudal system in reality.

 

[Bodhi]

Thanks for conceding. They don't pay income, capital gains or inheritance tax on their vast personal fortune.

It's funny how far you're willing to go. Do you just say to yourself "Yeah, I know they don't pay tax, but I'm going to continue to argue a very specific-yet-irrelevant thing for no discernible reason other than to be a cunt".

I'm not sure how much simpler I can put this. You can try and twist the meaning of words to get yourself a self awarded internet point, but the fact remains the Queen has paid money into the exchequer, which pretty much everyone understands to be tax.

Now some of that tax is being used to give her a send off, which after 70 years of public service doesn't seem too much to ask for.

 

[Embattle]

Is that sort of like how you masquerade as being both socialist and environmentally friendly minded then?

 

[Deebs]

Oh, I'm sorry, is the King being exempt from all taxes not enough?

Perhaps the fact that when laws are drawn up they go to the king first, so he can write in his personal exemptions from them, before they're published to other arms of the government?

(And you're wrong btw - none of the rest of the family will pay any inheritance tax. None. Nada. Zip.)

Show me the law which states other members of the Royal Family are exempt from inheritance tax?

Not sure how accurate this is but it makes for an interesting read @Scouse.

Which Royal Family members are exempt from inheritance tax?

INHERITANCE tax is dreaded by many Brits but some royals are exempt - Express.co.uk explores the legal loophole that gets certain royals off the hook when it comes to death duties.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

stuff

I refer the right honorable cunt to the answer he quoted earlier.

 

[Wij]

Masquerading as a "democracy".

Some shitty feudal system in reality.

It's a blend. Nowhere has a pure democracy.

In the US the Supreme Court has shown more ability to legislate than congress and it isn't accountable to the public at all. You can't be thrown off it by popular vote.

And there are much worse countries even than those two across the globe. Strive for better. Strive for competence. Perfection is a fever dream.

 

[Scouse]

Show me the law which states other members of the Royal Family are exempt from inheritance tax?

Not sure how accurate this is but it makes for an interesting read @Scouse.

Which Royal Family members are exempt from inheritance tax?

INHERITANCE tax is dreaded by many Brits but some royals are exempt - Express.co.uk explores the legal loophole that gets certain royals off the hook when it comes to death duties.

www.express.co.uk

Come on @Deebs. The Express? If you click another google link that isn't so rabidly royalist you'll see a very different story.

Regardless - how much is "enough"? Why are they not subject to the same laws as the rest of us?

 

[Scouse]

Perfection is a fever dream.

Absolutely. But subjecting the people who live in a country to the same laws isn't that unachieveable is it? Even you would concede that that itself isn't "utopian" thinking?

 

[Deebs]

Come on @Deebs. The Express? If you click another google link that isn't so rabidly royalist you'll see a very different story.

Regardless - how much is "enough"? Why are they not subject to the same laws as the rest of us?

Ok, Princess Diana was a Royal Family member.

Read this:

What was in Princess Diana’s Will? - MLP Law

Princess Diana died on 31st August 1997 in a tragic car accident in Paris, however, there are thousands of conspiracy theories that dispute this and argue it wasn’t an accident. We will resist the urge to delve into some of those conspiracy theories, and instead take a look at Princess Diana’s...

www.mlplaw.co.uk

The remainder of Diana’s estate, once all debts had been paid (including the hefty Inheritance Tax bill) and gifts had been settled, was to be divided equally between Prince William and Prince Harry.

 

[Deebs]

Over 8mill was paid

How much did Diana leave in inheritance for Harry?

Princes received full amount of money from mother’s estate when they turned 30

www.independent.co.uk

So if like you say The Royal Family don't have to pay inheritance tax why did she?

 

[Wij]

I'm not sure how much simpler I can put this. You can try and twist the meaning of words to get yourself a self awarded internet point, but the fact remains the Queen has paid money into the exchequer, which pretty much everyone understands to be tax.

Now some of that tax is being used to give her a send off, which after 70 years of public service doesn't seem too much to ask for.

Well if you are talking about the Crown Estate then it still isn't a tax. The Queen doesn't pay it personally. Even if I own my own company 100%, me treating company money like my own would bring me a very quick visit from HMRC.

If you rephrase it to say that the Crown Estate contributes a lot to the exchequer and a very small part of what it pays is intended to provide for the odd state funeral every so often then I don't think it sounds like something most people would disagree with. You don't need to dress it up as a tax.

 

[Wij]

Absolutely. But subjecting the people who live in a country to the same laws isn't that unachieveable is it? Even you would concede that that itself isn't "utopian" thinking?

Not in a constitutional monarchy. We are subjects, the monarch, and by extension and to a lesser extent, some of the royals, are not.

I get that you don't like that state of affairs which you are perfectly entitled not to.

 

[Scouse]

Not in a constitutional monarchy. We are subjects, the monarch, and by extension and to a lesser extent, some of the royals, are not.

I get that you don't like that state of affairs which you are perfectly entitled not to.

Despite the demographics of "happy or not happy" with the current state of affairs looking like this (so my viewpoint is far from "niche") - this whole argument started with the actual reality that people aren't entitled to that view - if they choose to express it simply by holding up tame signs, or blank pieces of paper.

But you're right. I don't like it. It's anachronistic and idiotic supportive of structural inequality through the concept of "divine right".

 

[Gwadien]

I think the problem is that it's impossible to disconnect the concept of monarchy and the concept of the monarchy paying taxes like 'everyone else'.

What would we do with the land being sold off by royalty due to being heavily taxed? Because we've already gone through an era of much of the aristocracy selling off their land, and it rarely ever benefits the people, just replacing old money with new money.

 

[Wij]

Despite the demographics of "happy or not happy" with the current state of affairs looking like this (so my viewpoint is far from "niche") - this whole argument started with the actual reality that people aren't entitled to that view - if they choose to express it simply by holding up tame signs, or blank pieces of paper.

But you're right. I don't like it. It's anachronistic and idiotic supportive of structural inequality through the concept of "divine right".

Well I'm certainly not saying that people shouldn't be entitled to that view. Whilst I have some sympathy that it is basically a big, long funeral so protesting then isn't what I'd choose to do, I don't want us to be Russia. Dissent is OK.

 

[Wij]

I think the problem is that it's impossible to disconnect the concept of monarchy and the concept of the monarchy paying taxes like 'everyone else'.

What would we do with the land being sold off by royalty due to being heavily taxed? Because we've already gone through an era of much of the aristocracy selling off their land, and it rarely ever benefits the people, just replacing old money with new money.

Well, the Crown Estate is basically a nationalised industry now. Almost like they aren't always a bad thing

 

[Scouse]

Whilst I have some sympathy that it is basically a big, long funeral so protesting then isn't what I'd choose to do

If it was just a funeral then I would have a big problem with it. But it's not just a funeral.

It's an event - that comes at a cost (a big cost - like I said, potentially lives) designed not only to provide an outlet for the family but primarily to cement their position in the public mind. They have private ceremonies which are the real funeral.

The public one is fair game. And yes, people should be free to disagree with my point of view on this. And you know what - unlike the sizeable minority who feel the other way, they are.