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[Scouse]

Agree @Bodhi - it's down to the lack of hard shoulder (DfT stats say deaths are 10 times higher on smart motorways IIRC).

Yeah, expecting people to notify stopped / broken down drivers is daft. 101? - non emergency? they're broken down in a place they're very likely to be killed - one of the most dangerous places you can be - so I'm thinking 999 would be way more appropriate. But it's about ringing highways - not the po-po (who'd very quickly start complaining that everyone was ringing them for breakdowns). What's the highways number - I've no idea? (And what the greasy poop is Waze when it's about?)

It's government thinking through and through tbh. Bag-o-wank.

 

[Raven]

We had complete engine failure at about 70 once, the engine literally went pop. Wife was driving and managed to get it over to the hard shoulder, coasting, but there is no way on earth it would make it anywhere else.

They are dumb, the people that thought of them are dumb and the people that think they are a good idea, are dumb.

 

[Bodhi]

Agree @Bodhi - it's down to the lack of hard shoulder (DfT stats say deaths are 10 times higher on smart motorways IIRC).

Yeah, expecting people to notify stopped / broken down drivers is daft. 101? - non emergency? they're broken down in a place they're very likely to be killed - one of the most dangerous places you can be - so I'm thinking 999 would be way more appropriate. But it's about ringing highways - not the po-po (who'd very quickly start complaining that everyone was ringing them for breakdowns). What's the highways number - I've no idea? (And what the greasy poop is Waze when it's about?)

It's government thinking through and through tbh. Bag-o-wank.

I went with 101 as the obstructions I came across weren't strictly speaking emergencies, as people could see them coming and take action - they were an exploded lorry tyre carcass and a sofa on the M74 iirc. No idea what the Highways Agency number is these days - could ask Google if you've got Assistant?

Waze is a crowd-sourced Sat Nav product where you can report stuff on the road, such as speed cameras, accidents, obstructions etc. It's owned by Google, so anything you report gets fed through to Google Maps, which lots of other drivers will be using.

 

[Raven]

Every single inch of smart motorway is supposed to be monitored, so there is no excuse for highways.

 

[BloodOmen]

Bit of a rant

Is it sad that we have to hope for a Super Volcano to fix the worlds climate because humans are far too greedy to?

I was thinking about this before and I honestly think the best hope for this planet now is a Super Volcano going up and plummeting the worlds temps down drastically

Obviously billions will die, what a sad world we live in where we have to pray for a natural disaster to fix what man could have fixed were it not for printed notes

 

[Embattle]

You do realise wishing it won't give you a pass from being on the receiving end of it right

 

[Gwadien]

Bit of a rant

Is it sad that we have to hope for a Super Volcano to fix the worlds climate because humans are far too greedy to?

I was thinking about this before and I honestly think the best hope for this planet now is a Super Volcano going up and plummeting the worlds temps down drastically

Obviously billions will die, what a sad world we live in where we have to pray for a natural disaster to fix what man could have fixed were it not for printed notes

I mean, nature will always fix the planet regardless, the only thing that'll truly destroy the planet is something that isn't related to the Earth.

The whole climate change argument about 'destroying the planet' means for human habitation.

 

[BloodOmen]

You do realise wishing it won't give you a pass from being on the receiving end of it right

Oh I'm well aware of that, believe me. More thinking of future generations and hopefully the younger generations of the UK that would/could survive. I'd happily give up my life for that.

 

[BloodOmen]

I mean, nature will always fix the planet regardless, the only thing that'll truly destroy the planet is something that isn't related to the Earth.

The whole climate change argument about 'destroying the planet' means for human habitation.

You're not wrong, even if they did have a reset, I see humanity inevitably going the same away again. Where's our little green men friends to teach us the ways lol

 

[Gwadien]

You're not wrong, even if they did have a reset, I see humanity inevitably going the same away again. Where's our little green men friends to teach us the ways lol

Civilizations have always collapsed, and I think it's very naive to think that this one won't eventually collapse.

Bronze Age collapse, fall of the Roman Empire etc... Seeing what we consider to be basic technology/architecture won't be recognisable, and it will be so much worse than previously when it finally does collapse.

 

[Bodhi]

Bit of a rant

Is it sad that we have to hope for a Super Volcano to fix the worlds climate because humans are far too greedy to?

I was thinking about this before and I honestly think the best hope for this planet now is a Super Volcano going up and plummeting the worlds temps down drastically

Obviously billions will die, what a sad world we live in where we have to pray for a natural disaster to fix what man could have fixed were it not for printed notes

It is very sad that you're wishing for a natural disaster to wipe out half of humanity to fix an overblown problem, yes. It's a particularly anti-human perspective which I find a little bizarre, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night I guess.

 

[BloodOmen]

It is very sad that you're wishing for a natural disaster to wipe out half of humanity to fix an overblown problem, yes. It's a particularly anti-human perspective which I find a little bizarre, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night I guess.

Exactly, it's sad. Do you honestly see any other way though? a realistic way? because as of right now, people aren't just going to magically start hating money.

 

[Bodhi]

Exactly, it's sad. Do you honestly see any other way though? a realistic way? because as of right now, people aren't just going to magically start hating money.

Given that capatalist economies have typically led to better environmental stewardship than socialist/communist ones I'm not entirely convinced money is an issue. Plus, if we're going to start developing technologies that mean we can actually move away from fossil fuels, we're going to need some investment in those.

I've found reasing some slightly more rational environmentalists (such as Lomborg, Schellenberger, Pielke Jr etc) rather than the catastrophist garbage printed in The Guardian a much easier way to not really worry about it. I'm already far more concerned about Climate Policy - moving away from the fuels which have given us the greatest advance in human progress and life expctancy in history without have anything to really replace them - than I am about the issue itself.

Just don't buy beachfront property if you're really concerned I guess.

 

[BloodOmen]

Given that capatalist economies have typically led to better environmental stewardship than socialist/communist ones I'm not entirely convinced money is an issue. Plus, if we're going to start developing technologies that mean we can actually move away from fossil fuels, we're going to need some investment in those.

I've found reasing some slightly more rational environmentalists (such as Lomborg, Schellenberger, Pielke Jr etc) rather than the catastrophist garbage printed in The Guardian a much easier way to not really worry about it. I'm already far more concerned about Climate Policy - moving away from the fuels which have given us the greatest advance in human progress and life expctancy in history without have anything to really replace them - than I am about the issue itself.

Just don't buy beachfront property if you're really concerned I guess.

I mean... yea... or live in London... or live in the entire Netherlands either way, governments have been saying for decades "We're going to do XYZ" and they've done very little to what they've promised. Also, new tech isn't necessarily better, look at Tesla's as a prime example... pretty sure I read they were less environmentally friendly than a Range Rover due to power plant usage/how the batteries are refined/transported etc.

 

[Bodhi]

I mean... yea... or live in London... or live in the entire Netherlands either way, governments have been saying for decades "We're going to do XYZ" and they've done very little to what they've promised. Also, new tech isn't necessarily better, look at Tesla's as a prime example... pretty sure I read they were less environmentally friendly than a Range Rover due to power plant usage/how the batteries are refined/transported etc.

Given a large amount of the Netherlands have been living under sea level for hundreds of years, my guess is that's probably one of the better places to live

 

[BloodOmen]

Given a large amount of the Netherlands have been living under sea level for hundreds of years, my guess is that's probably one of the better places to live

I dinna, with rising sea levels? can their sea defences handle it without a major investment/overhaul?

 

[Scouse]

I mean, nature will always fix the planet regardless

Absolutely incorrect.

We can very easily tip us into a situation of feedback loops that means Earth inexorably and irreversably becomes an uninhabitable ultra-hot pea-soup like Venus.

 

[BloodOmen]

Unrelated note


View: https://youtu.be/UT2u84ZEUl4


Think of it as a first person Stardew Valley where you run a hotel/eat the guests. You play as a vampire, the guests only pay if they leave the hotel alive so you have to pick and choose who you kill.

 

[Scouse]

Climate tipping points — too risky to bet against

The growing threat of abrupt and irreversible climate changes must compel political and economic action on emissions.

www.nature.com

@Bodhi

 

[Bodhi]

Absolutely incorrect.

We can very easily tip us into a situation of feedback loops that means Earth inexorably and irreversably becomes an uninhabitable ultra-hot pea-soup like Venus.

Physically impossible as previously discussed. Venus isn't really comparable to earth, as atmospheric pressure on Venus is around 90 times what it is on Earth. A better comparison would be Mars, where even the fact that the atmosphere is 95% CO2 hasn't prevented it from becoming a cold, barren wasteland.

 

[Gwadien]

Absolutely incorrect.

We can very easily tip us into a situation of feedback loops that means Earth inexorably and irreversably becomes an uninhabitable ultra-hot pea-soup like Venus.

But the planet won't be destroyed, is the point.

 

[Scouse]

Physically impossible as previously discussed. Venus isn't really comparable to earth, as atmospheric pressure on Venus is around 90 times what it is on Earth. A better comparison would be Mars, where even the fact that the atmosphere is 95% CO2 hasn't prevented it from becoming a cold, barren wasteland.

Nope. It won't become venus (pressure, composition) - but it absolutely could become venus-like and utterly uninhabitable.

Mars won't happen - atmosphere might be 95% CO2 - but it's thin as fuck, because there's no magnetosphere - so it's 95% fuck all. Mars' atmosphere is 100 times less dense than ours because of that.

 

[Scouse]

But the planet won't be destroyed, is the point.

IF you think a barren lifeless rock is not "destroyed" then that's a very technical definition to die on. But at least there'll be nothing about to feel sad about it I guess.

 

[Bodhi]

Nope. It won't become venus (pressure, composition) - but it absolutely could become venus-like and utterly uninhabitable.

Mars won't happen - atmosphere might be 95% CO2 - but it's thin as fuck, because there's no magnetosphere - so it's 95% fuck all. Mars' atmosphere is 100 times less dense than ours because of that.

Yeah but no. The atmosphere of Venus is as hot as it is because of its composition and pressure - i.e the Suphuric Acid clouds trapping heat in and the immense pressure of the atmosphere.

Remember from basic Physics P = VT, so if pressure rises then temperature has to as well, assuming the volume of atmosphere stays the same. The Earth is actually gradually losing its atmosphere - albeit very slowly, so Mars is a far more likely end result for us.

Of course the most inevitable end result for the Earth is that we all get fried to death when the sun turns into a Red Giant, but that's about 5 billion years away, so I'm less concerned about that.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah but no. The atmosphere of Venus is as hot as it is because of its composition and pressure - i.e the Suphuric Acid clouds trapping heat in and the immense pressure of the atmosphere.

Remember from basic Physics P = VT, so if pressure rises then temperature has to as well, assuming the volume of atmosphere stays the same.

I've specifically said it can't become venus. But rapid state-change to an uninhabitable cloud-filled hellhole is absolutely a possiblity.

 

[Gwadien]

Mars isn't destroyed, it's pretty in tact.

 

[Scouse]

Mars isn't destroyed, it's pretty in tact.

Try living there.

Even if Musk puts a habitat there then it'd be the shittest and most dull neighbourhood imaginable.

We've precedent in the past. 252 million years ago a load of carbon was dumped into the atmosphere and the temperature rose about 5 degrees after methane under permafrost was released. It wiped out 97% of all life on earth.

We're currently adding carbon to the atmosphere at ten times that rate.

 

[Scouse]

Red dead redemption or elden ring?

 

[Tom]

Apparently it's our fault when people die on these fucking stupid smart motorways:

Smart motorways: Lack of hard shoulder contributed to death - coroner

Nargis Begum, from Sheffield, died after her car broke down on the M1 and was hit by another vehicle.

www.bbc.co.uk

As it turns out, it's "not practicable" to monitor for cars breaking down and it's the public's duty to pull their phones out, find the Highways phone number, report the car broken down - identifying exactly where it is broken down (of course) - or people are inevitably going to die. And it's ALL OUR FAULT.

Lose a safety lane on a motorway and people go mental. Add a safety lane for cycling on a road and people go mental.

 

[Scouse]

Lose a safety lane on a motorway and people go mental. Add a safety lane for cycling on a road and people go mental.

Lol. I hadn't thought of that. But it's so true.