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[Scouse]

I blame social media for showing people that it's an acceptable thing to do.

Kids have been getting killed by dogs for my entire life. And considering that was long before the internet was even invented I've direct primary evidence that it happened before social media.

However, I do blame being born post-internet for people's minds being trapped, like the proverbial canaries in cages, making them unable to envisage a world without the internet.

Sadly

 

[Raven]

Also, people buying working dogs and expecting them to be a gentle giant because some vapour chamber on socials posed with one.

These dogs literally had aggression and strength bred into them, that is their entire function.

 

[Scouse]

Also, people buying working dogs and expecting them to be a gentle giant because some vapour chamber on socials posed with one.

These dogs literally had aggression and strength bred into them, that is their entire function.

What kind of dog was it? It doesn't say in the linked article.

 

[Raven]

What kind of dog was it? It doesn't say in the linked article.

I think we all know that it will be a working dog.

 

[Scouse]

I think we all know that it will be a working dog.

I wasn't trying to trip you up. But I think you mean "horrible chav dog" - it's certainly what I jump towards.

"Working dog" to me is a Collie or the like. - i.e. something that actually performs a useful function (other than making the owner feel like he looks well 'ard).

 

[Raven]

When I say working dog, I mean dogs specifically bred for a job, in the case of many of these dogs, they were bred for either fighting or protection from bears and wolves etc. I guess most dogs are bred for a purpose or job. But we have no use for hyper aggressive breeds. They aren't "evil" it's just what they are. And yes, it seems a certain demographic seems to want them for status or whatever.

 

[Bodhi]

Yes - it is possible to regulate capitalism to reduce cuntishness.

One of the beauties of capitalism is the freedom of choice, so now P&O have shown their true colours, I can see a lot of bookings being transferred to DFDS / Stena etc which isn't going to be great for P&O long term. Me and a mate are thinking of driving to Germany is July in his M5 to go see the BMW museum and have a quick blast round the Ring - if we go I can guarantee you we ain't taking P&O - we'll even pay the extra for the tunnel if it means avoiding them.

 

[Gwadien]

One of the beauties of capitalism is the freedom of choice, so now P&O have shown their true colours, I can see a lot of bookings being transferred to DFDS / Stena etc which isn't going to be great for P&O long term. Me and a mate are thinking of driving to Germany is July in his M5 to go see the BMW museum and have a quick blast round the Ring - if we go I can guarantee you we ain't taking P&O - we'll even pay the extra for the tunnel if it means avoiding them.

That's bullshit though isn't it.

Considering most factories (and Amazon) have done pretty much the same thing with getting underpaid agency staff in over full time staff.

Virtue signalling, is that what it's called these days?

 

[Bodhi]

That's bullshit though isn't it.

Considering most factories (and Amazon) have done pretty much the same thing with getting underpaid agency staff in over full time staff.

Virtue signalling, is that what it's called these days?

A quick scan of social media and other forums suggests this is far from bullshit - don't think I've ever seen so many cancellations tbh.

 

[Gwadien]

A quick scan of social media and other forums suggests this is far from bullshit - don't think I've ever seen so many cancellations tbh.

No, what's bullshit is the 'making a stand' when in reality everyone is doing something about P&O because it's in the news.

I'd be more impressed if people started boycotting Amazon over similar practices.

 

[Raven]

Everyone might say they will never use them but you can guarantee many people will still use them and it will all be forgotten about in a few months.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah. It doesn't work like that. It's one of the lies of capitalism.

 

[Wij]

Yeah. It doesn't work like that. It's one of the lies of capitalism.

Well. Actually I'd say it's a mix. It works a bit but also it sometimes works the other way.

For instance, and I shit you not, some of my old school 'friends' on Facebook who have sworn off mainstream media in favour of David Icke or whatever are celebrating buying Russian vodka to show how 'independant-minded' they are and how they don't swallow the lies that Putin is bad when they know he is fighting the deep-state with Trump because there's pedo-nukes or something in Ukraine.

 

[Scouse]

Fucking paedo-nukes

Seriously though @Wij - the vast majority of people use convenience. P&O will see some short-term drop-off and then return to normal levels. You still have Apple devices, even though they pretty much use slave labour don't you? And even if you did switch to Android, are any of the other device manufacturers any better?

It's way too complex a landscape to apply this level of purchasing decisioning to the customer base and expect them to a) make the moral choice (I don't give a fuck if kids make trainers! I want them cheap!), b) stick to it long-term and c) to every single purchasing decision they make?

Add to that complexity - what are your parameters? Environmental? Corporate governance? Pay? Exploitation? Animal cruelty? Social effects? What if they're great at one thing and shit at another? It's just too complex to realistically expect anyone - no matter how clever they are and how much time they have on their hands - to make and stick to these purchasing decisions.

Add another level of complexity - it's in companies' interests to hide their bad practices. And they spend a lot of money doing so, very succesfully.

And and and - there's lots of other layers of complexity I can add to this offhand, without even trying hard.

It's a lie. It's complete bullshit that ethical consumer purchasing decisions are in any real or meaningful way a brake on the excesses of capitalism.

 

[Tom]

I know Amazon are a shitty company but. Their website is simple to use. Their products arrive fast as fuck. Their complaints system is excellent - they refunded me immediately when the Y-cam "free lifetime subscription" cameras I had suddenly became "not free lifetime subscription" and took their products off their website.

Yeah there's tonnes of fake and cheap shit on there, the electronics I won't touch with a barge pole. But the way to deal with Amazon's shitty practices is through legislation to protect workers and industries. How you get that legislation is the real question.

 

[Gwadien]

I know Amazon are a shitty company but. Their website is simple to use. Their products arrive fast as fuck. Their complaints system is excellent - they refunded me immediately when the Y-cam "free lifetime subscription" cameras I had suddenly became "not free lifetime subscription" and took their products off their website.

Yeah there's tonnes of fake and cheap shit on there, the electronics I won't touch with a barge pole. But the way to deal with Amazon's shitty practices is through legislation to protect workers and industries. How you get that legislation is the real question.

Yeah, they're massively customer facing.

I don't see that as an excuse for their employment practices though.

It's all calculated though, if we're good enough to the customers they won't delve too much into us.

 

[Raven]

Amazon know exactly what they are doing, they treat management very well, which keeps the business working well. Drivers and picker packers have always been a disposable asset and not specific to Amazon, it's just they do it on a massive scale. When I first left school with 0 education, I spent a couple of years temping in warehouses, it was fucking horrible then, it's fucking horrible now. No guarantee of work, no security, low wages etc

 

[DaGaffer]

Amazon know exactly what they are doing, they treat management very well, which keeps the business working well. Drivers and picker packers have always been a disposable asset and not specific to Amazon, it's just they do it on a massive scale. When I first left school with 0 education, I spent a couple of years temping in warehouses, it was fucking horrible then, it's fucking horrible now. No guarantee of work, no security, low wages etc

Amazon don't treat managers well. Its Darwinian.

 

[Scouse]

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[Raven]

Mind boggled, apparently there is no legal requirement to issue payslips in NL unless your pay changes. A friend is having trouble getting a flat because they cannot produce them.

 

[SilverHood]

Mind boggled, apparently there is no legal requirement to issue payslips in NL unless your pay changes. A friend is having trouble getting a flat because they cannot produce them.

Madness, he should get one a year, at least? Or do they want the 2 most recent months?

 

[Gwadien]

Fucking EU.

 

[Raven]

Madness, he should get one a year, at least? Or do they want the 2 most recent months?

Yeah, they get the yearly one, but are being asked to prove monthly income with payslips.

 

[Raven]

Fucking EU.

Bore off, not everything is about the EU. This appears to be an NL issue.

 

[dysfunction]

Yeah, they get the yearly one, but are being asked to prove monthly income with payslips.

Can they not request them to be produced? Or is the company having issues creating them since they don't usually print them?

 

[Raven]

Can they not request them to be produced? Or is the company having issues creating them since they don't usually print them?

No idea tbh, just found it incredibly weird.

 

[Yoni]

I do not find it weird... if your salary doesn't change why do you need a salary slip? Whilst I was living there, salary information was received by pdf email and if one of my team deleted theirs and needed some for proof of employment then you only had to ask payroll ....oO

It is not an EU thing by the way oO in Sweden you get your salary slip from the payroll system yourself.

 

[dysfunction]

I do not find it weird... if your salary doesn't change why do you need a salary slip? Whilst I was living there, salary information was received by pdf email and if one of my team deleted theirs and needed some for proof of employment then you only had to ask payroll ....oO

It is not an EU thing by the way oO in Sweden you get your salary slip from the payroll system yourself.

You may need it for all sorts of things like renting somewhere or buying a flat.
Why would you not want your payslips? It's not an unusual thing to get really.

 

[Raven]

What happens if the company you work for goes bust, what happens if you just want to keep proper financial records.

Yes, it's weird.

 

[Ormorof]

You may need it for all sorts of things like renting somewhere or buying a flat.
Why would you not want your payslips? It's not an unusual thing to get really.

I get a PDF email from payroll day before it pays out, haven't actually needed it for anything in years.

Is the guy moving to UK? Getting docs can be hard when every country assumes everyone else does things the same way. And every bureaucracy seems to think their way is only way and anything else is just wrong (always some asshat jobsworth in charge of these things)