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[Ormorof]

Does it really have any effect? Googling studies seem to show ~1% more efficiency in favour of E5, which makes sense but must be negligible for most people

 

[Tom]

Well the simplest way to find out for your vehicle would be to brim the tank full of normal fuel on a long trip that almost empties the tank, and then fill it with the other stuff for the return. And calculate the difference in consumption and cost.

 

[Bodhi]

Does it really have any effect? Googling studies seem to show ~1% more efficiency in favour of E5, which makes sense but must be negligible for most people

It's a combination of factors in my view - there's the lower ethanol content but it's also higher octane (typically 99 Vs 95) so you get a bigger bang for the same amount of fuel, meaning in my experience you don't have to put your foot down quite as much.

It's more how responsive the engines are with the proper jungle juice for me, even if economy was the same I'd still use it as the extra 6ppl is worth it.

 

[Raven]

Does it really have any effect? Googling studies seem to show ~1% more efficiency in favour of E5, which makes sense but must be negligible for most people

I'm not sure what the difference is between E5 and E10, but I certainly notice a difference in performance between normal petrol and high octane.

Someone did explain to me that ethanol is actually pretty bad for your engine, but the small amounts in E10 probably won't make a lot of difference.

 

[Tom]

That someone probably drives around in a 30-year-old car and smokes woodbines.

 

[Ormorof]

🤷‍♂️ according to internet it should be usable with cars since 1992, i have an older hybrid (not a fancy plugin one) and get ~4.5l/100km during winter figure thats pretty good. Never even tried it on E5 (seller specifically said E10 was whats recommended, and it even mentioned it in the manual)

I dont buy the "greener" claim though the biodiversity wipeout of growing biofuels is a disaster

 

[Raven]

Yeah, but you wouldn't put 100% ethanol through an engine, any engine.

 

[Raven]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATGSBi1kBl0&ab_channel=EngineeringExplained

 

[Tom]

Mine is a 2005 RX400h which is never going to be particularly frugal, but I used to get about 30-32mpg from it. Not bad for a 3.3l petrol V6. I don't do many miles in it these days and I'm kinda hoping it won't ever die, because it's just so quiet and comfortable. And it can easily embarrass the Audi heroes at the traffic light grand prix. Now getting about 29mpg.

Also since it was paid for a few years back, I'm really noticing the difference in my account by not having a car loan/finance to pay for. It really stacks up.

 

[Embattle]

On my motorcycle the standard E5 used to give me better MPG than the premium E5 and the current E10 gives me the same or a little better than the premium E5.

 

[Bodhi]

There are more cars than you would think out there that struggle with E10 - mostly VAG stuff from the mid-00's. Basically the ethanol content eats away at the rubber components of the engine - fuel pipes etc, and certain German manufacturers skimped on that part so are stuck on E5.

It's also recommended that if you're going to use it in a proper lawnmower, not to leave the petrol in there for too long as it will do the same.

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1g_1EJrfnU

 

[Scouse]

The whistleblowing bankers who were sent to jail

Traders who blew the whistle on fraud were jailed, but no senior figure was prosecuted.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFxc5Vd-fBM

 

[Tom]

Aww, poor babies can't afford to own more than one house. How awful.

Second homes in Wales could face 300% council tax hikes

Homeowners say the move, which could see them pay four times as much tax, is "morally indefensible".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Aoami]

Mr Martin, who lives in Altrincham, Greater Manchester, and has a second home in Gwynedd, said most of the group visit their homes regularly.
"They love Wales, they love Welsh people, they love the Welsh language, they love the Welsh culture. That's why they have a home there," he added.

Sell your gaff in Altrincham and move there then.

 

[Gwadien]

Give me your house in Notts @Scouse or I'm going to get on the blower to Drakeford.

 

[Scouse]

Give me your house in Notts @Scouse or I'm going to get on the blower to Drakeford.

Which one?

 

[Gwadien]

Which one?

Ooof, good boomer response.

 

[Scouse]

To be fair - it's a problem with the whole housing market - not just wales.

The thing is - nationalists are getting a bigger and bigger voice - but a lot of young people don't want to live in rural, mountainous Wales - because there's no good jobs here that aren't in tourism.

All the well-paying jobs are elsewhere - so forcing the slightly better off to sell their houses isn't going to achieve anything. It's just Plaid Cymru kicking the English.

 

[Scouse]

Ooof, good boomer response.

Worked, saved, didn't piss my money up the wall in my 20's or 30's. Pay for my own professional development out of my own pocket (I don't whine to companies "what training are you going to give me?"). Am responsible for being skilled.

Best bit of advice I ever got was whilst I was at Uni from a guy who ran a big business. He said "work is going to way more insecure in the future, the trick is to be hireable and to be prepared to go where the work is".

So I made sure I was, and I moved where the work is. And I didn't whine.

Not saying it was easy. Or that it is desireable for a lot of people. But sacrifices made = profit. So I ain't got anything to apologise for


BTW - looking forward to your inheritance? I hear that they're nice things to be able to look forward to...

 

[Gwadien]

I thought it was pretty clear I was joking but oh well

 

[Scouse]

I thought it was pretty clear I was joking but oh well

Nah. I know you were joking. But it's context to the Welsh thing. It's very real for me - I've lived and holidayed in and about these people for most of my life.

I'm responding to Tom's pop at the guy in Altrincham. We all live and work under the same economic system - and he's done OK for himself. If a 3x hike in council tax makes the difference between him being able to hang onto his holiday home in a place he loves (and spends his disposable cash in) or having to sell it - that tells you that he's living to his means and that his means aren't outrageous.

There's a lot of people who want to kick people who are one rung above them on the ladder economically. People who may be 1.5 or 2.5 times better off than them. But little appetite to strip the wealth from the people who are 1000x better off, or 10,000x (or much more).

The Welsh aren't losing their language or culture - there's a certain subset who "hate people who aren't local" and want things to not change. They just want to kick people who've done well for themselves, nothing more. So I've not a lot of sympathy for this bunch of noisy wankers. They're going about their business like brexiteers. There are valid concerns (yes) - but it's not the way to fix anything.

 

[Aoami]

It's just Plaid Cymru kicking the English.

Laughable, xenophobic viewpoint.

The 300% levy applies only to empty homes - it's indefensible to keep an empty house that you visit once or twice a year when we're deep in a housing crisis.

Wales has been fighting brain drain for years, partly because, as you state, there aren't enough jobs for young people. I'm not sure how pricing them out of their local communities, to replace them with ghosts, helps with this. Wales needs to encourage it's young people to stick around and create opportunities, and launched a scheme to do so last year.

Wales launches drive to keep young people in their homeland

Economy minister tells of ‘significant challenge’ of retaining and attracting talent to support country’s economy

www.theguardian.com

 

[Scouse]

Laughable, xenophobic viewpoint.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sure you've lived in and around the area your entire life and know a lot about it first hand? Why not tell me about the place I live, so I can benefit from your vast experience?


Wales can launch all the drives they like, but lets get a bit of economic perspective:

We need to persuade more people to stay in Wales, more people to come back to Wales and more people to make Wales part of their story. We want to make best use of the talent we have as well as attracting people to Wales. People move to Wales to retire but it’s a great place to work as well

It's not a great place to work, unless you can work from home. The vast majority of big corporates are located in the big cities. So rural Gwynedd, apart from it's spectacular mountain scenery that attracts tourists by the millions, has fuck all for any aspiring young mind. So they leave.

Unless that changes (and it won't unless we undertake systemic economic change (which we won't)) then it's only natural, normal and correct for them to leave Wales. Just like I left my home and family and moved for work. It's how we've structured our world in Blighty.

Stay = poorly paid largely menial jobs. Leave = more money.

"We want to attract people to Wales". Well, I'm here. And I'll be spending the benefits of my hard-earned here until the day I die. Regardless of the feelings of bitter Plaid Cymru nationalist wankers who, to a man, are a bunch of cunts.

Some of them may even be well-meaning cunts. But they live in a fantasy world, and the local changes they keep pushing aren't going to benefit anyone. For a start - using the example of the bloke in Altrincham with the holiday home - he'll domicile, say, himself in Wales - and pay a single occupancy discounted rate of 75% - and his wife in Altrincham - and pay only 75% council tax there too.

Nice discount because they're greedily forcing his hand.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sure you've lived in and around the area your entire life and know a lot about it first hand? Why not tell me about the place I live, so I can benefit from your vast experience?


Wales can launch all the drives they like, but lets get a bit of economic perspective:


It's not a great place to work, unless you can work from home. The vast majority of big corporates are located in the big cities. So rural Gwynedd, apart from it's spectacular mountain scenery that attracts tourists by the millions, has fuck all for any aspiring young mind. So they leave.

Unless that changes (and it won't unless we undertake systemic economic change (which we won't)) then it's only natural, normal and correct for them to leave Wales. Just like I left my home and family and moved for work. It's how we've structured our world in Blighty.

Stay = poorly paid largely menial jobs. Leave = more money.

"We want to attract people to Wales". Well, I'm here. And I'll be spending the benefits of my hard-earned here until the day I die. Regardless of the feelings of bitter Plaid Cymru nationalist wankers who, to a man, are a bunch of cunts.

Some of them may even be well-meaning cunts. But they live in a fantasy world, and the local changes they keep pushing aren't going to benefit anyone. For a start - using the example of the bloke in Altrincham with the holiday home - he'll domicile, say, himself in Wales - and pay a single occupancy discounted rate of 75% - and his wife in Altrincham - and pay only 75% council tax there too.

Nice discount because they're greedily forcing his hand.

Surely if you have more year round tourism then people will be able to find jobs that are more permanent rather than only being able to work for the few weeks in summer when rich bois fancy coming down to their holiday homes?

I think you're exaggerating what people want; I suspect lots of people are happy to work in the hospitality sector at a poorly paid job, but in return expect to be able to afford a house.

The ironing is that I'd imagine that when housing is proposed the biggest NIMBYs are those with the holiday homes.

 

[DaGaffer]

Aww, poor babies can't afford to own more than one house. How awful.

Second homes in Wales could face 300% council tax hikes

Homeowners say the move, which could see them pay four times as much tax, is "morally indefensible".

www.bbc.co.uk

Isn't council tax supposed to be very specifically to pay for local services? Which is why it varies from council to council? Or did I get that wrong? No? So why the fuck is paying more when you use services far less than average remotely fair? Its just a cash grab. There's no justification from a housing shortage perspective; second homes make up just 1.8% of housing stock in Wales. There's no environmental justification (as there are rates for rentals and not renting doesn't use energy). This is just "those rich cunts can afford it", and frankly if they were that rich their second homes would be Puerto Banus not Porthmadog.

 

[Scouse]

100%. It's a kick the English policy. Nothing else.

 

[Aoami]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sure you've lived in and around the area your entire life and know a lot about it first hand? Why not tell me about the place I live, so I can benefit from your vast experience?


Wales can launch all the drives they like, but lets get a bit of economic perspective:


It's not a great place to work, unless you can work from home. The vast majority of big corporates are located in the big cities. So rural Gwynedd, apart from it's spectacular mountain scenery that attracts tourists by the millions, has fuck all for any aspiring young mind. So they leave.

Unless that changes (and it won't unless we undertake systemic economic change (which we won't)) then it's only natural, normal and correct for them to leave Wales. Just like I left my home and family and moved for work. It's how we've structured our world in Blighty.

Stay = poorly paid largely menial jobs. Leave = more money.

"We want to attract people to Wales". Well, I'm here. And I'll be spending the benefits of my hard-earned here until the day I die. Regardless of the feelings of bitter Plaid Cymru nationalist wankers who, to a man, are a bunch of cunts.

Some of them may even be well-meaning cunts. But they live in a fantasy world, and the local changes they keep pushing aren't going to benefit anyone. For a start - using the example of the bloke in Altrincham with the holiday home - he'll domicile, say, himself in Wales - and pay a single occupancy discounted rate of 75% - and his wife in Altrincham - and pay only 75% council tax there too.

Nice discount because they're greedily forcing his hand.

You know you can quite easily leave Wales if you don't like their policies?

 

[Scouse]

You know you can quite easily leave Wales if you don't like their policies?

As can Plaid Cymru members if they're not able to afford houses in the area they want to live in, because there's no jobs there.

Just like everybody else has to.